Petition to sack Vlandys and Abdo

[King Salvo]

I'm getting bored with this discussion. Most agree its a massive and inappropriate overreaction by the NRL.

Just one point to add and its exemplified classically by the Radley hit on Panguy. They have to make a distinction between direct hits to the head, as opposed to the incidental bounce up or brush stroke like Victors.

If he had hit Panguy direct in the head its lights out and should have been punished accordingly. However he didn't and Panguy had the wherewithall to start the complaints process even on his way to the turf.

They have to make that clear distinction. The bunker should rule on it if the referee isn't clear on it.

Officials need that Harrigan esq "feel" for the game. No blanket rules for head contact from slight, incidental innocuous to the direct forceful hits.

Make the distinction. The fans will embrace it. Right now its mindless.

maybe a couple of boring songs will cheer you up

I'm Bored - Iggy Pop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NuaK29J1fM


I'm so bored with the USA - The Clash

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9GlbbxoixM

[Random Rooster]

The good news is that everybody is going to be so fixed in watching if a tackle may be high, that they will not notice that the games are as boring as bat shit. Rd.11 was rubbish

[BigCok007]

Can't he afford to buy his own?

He’s earned the right not to

[dice]

Gus -" back in my day a proper high tackle was when the ball carrier was knocked out and carried off on a stretcher"

And just a few minutes earlier...

Not sure how old you are but take a look at the Chooks sides for and against from 1974/75 in the links below- they played an expansive unstructured game with plenty of offloads and were not only a great attacking team but also a great defensive side as well and that was when it was the 5 metre rule.

That great attacking and defensive team would be lucky to get within 50 points of the reserve grade squad we are fielding on the weekend. The game has evolved in terms of speed/fitness/tactics. That is the point you simply are not getting. There is absolutely no way coaches are going to permit an easy offload. They will always wrap the ball up even if it means risking a sin bin for going too high.

Gus is right, asking people to "tackle lower" is not a solution. It is a sign of ignorance.

[Speedymetric]

They can have as many petitions as they like & change the CEO & Chairman as many times as they like but it will do nothing to change the legal advice they have obviously been given.

It would be more effective starting a petition to have Dennis Denuto installed as the NRL’s legal advisor if you want the old rules back.

[dice]

Not meaning to labour the point on evolution of the game. Just something interesting I heard with the passing of Bob Fulton. Bob credited with revolutionising the game by introducing strength training, and fitness training multiple times per week.

So we went from early 70s where only a handful of players were strength training. I recall about 20 years ago the strongest player was benching around 160kg. SBW upped the mark closer to 200kgs. Players like Tapau and Sivo are even stronger than SBW.

[King Salvo]

And just a few minutes earlier...




That great attacking and defensive team would be lucky to get within 50 points of the reserve grade squad we are fielding on the weekend. The game has evolved in terms of speed/fitness/tactics. That is the point you simply are not getting. There is absolutely no way coaches are going to permit an easy offload. They will always wrap the ball up even if it means risking a sin bin for going too high.

Gus is right, asking people to "tackle lower" is not a solution. It is a sign of ignorance.

So your likening the great Roosters teams from 1974/75 to that of a local park A grade team if even that.

That's not comparing apples with apples though of course in laboring your untenable point - If players from the past were full time professionals with all the coaches /development /medical access ete etc they have now they would more than compete with today's players and teams.

To say it will be an off load frenzy if players only tackle low is fanciful at best as there are players who never off load or pass the ball now so you must think that all of a sudden they will become Arthur Beetson like off loaders of the ball. - mmm will forwards watch video's of a park footballer's off loading skills though I wonder

Like any change Coaches , Players and Teams will adapt if they are smart enough that is.


Wayne Bennett is convinced that now that the players are aware of the ramifications of their actions, players will make the necessary adjustments.

“Whether it is a grapple tackle, whatever you will see a change of behaviour,” Bennett said. “The game has just got to be strong enough to stay at it and you will see a change in behaviour.”

Given V’landys’ stance there is no question the game will stay strong, but the issue is how long it will take the players to change their behaviour.

Those that do will thrive, while those that don’t will perish.

[dice]

So your likening the great Roosters teams from 1974/75 to that of a local park A grade team if even that.

That's not comparing apples with apples though of course in laboring your untenable point - If players from the past were full time professionals with all the coaches /development /medical access ete etc they have now they would more than compete with today's players and teams.

To say it will be an off load frenzy if players only tackle low is fanciful at best as there are players who never off load or pass the ball now so you must think that all of a sudden they will become Arthur Beetson like off loaders of the ball. - mmm will forwards watch video's of a park footballer's off loading skills though I wonder

Like any change Coaches , Players and Teams will adapt if they are smart enough that is.


Wayne Bennett is convinced that now that the players are aware of the ramifications of their actions, players will make the necessary adjustments.

“Whether it is a grapple tackle, whatever you will see a change of behaviour,” Bennett said. “The game has just got to be strong enough to stay at it and you will see a change in behaviour.”

Given V’landys’ stance there is no question the game will stay strong, but the issue is how long it will take the players to change their behaviour.

Those that do will thrive, while those that don’t will perish.

It was you who brought up the 70s smart arse. Even when Robbo makes it clear the game has evolved and that we can't go back to the 70's legs tackle, you still persist as though you are some superior intellect.

I bet you are doubly confused by Flanagan's dumping from the worst team in recent history.

[Johnny73]

It would be more effective starting a petition to have Dennis Denuto installed as the NRL’s legal advisor if you want the old rules back.

Only problem is that he's not a Greek, he's German-Polish-Lithuanian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiriel_Mora

[King Salvo]

It was you who brought up the 70s smart arse. Even when Robbo makes it clear the game has evolved and that we can't go back to the 70's legs tackle, you still persist as though you are some superior intellect.

I bet you are doubly confused by Flanagan's dumping from the worst team in recent history.

Rules are rules follow them or perish both for players and coaches. Load of Bollocks this can't tackle around the legs anymore- coaches caused this problem by employing wrestling and judo coaches and these tackling techniques.

They don't wan't to change it as they will have to have a different way of playing from their over structured hit up and out the back block /decoy play and wrestling/judo inspired tackling techniques.

Anyone with any sort of intellect should realise that the game has to change and like the players the NRL and NRL Clubs have the same duty of care for it's employees as any other workplace does.

[BUDDY]

Rules are rules follow them or perish both for players and coaches. Load of Bollocks this can't tackle around the legs anymore- coaches caused this problem by employing wrestling and judo coaches and these tackling techniques.

They don't wan't to change it as they will have to have a different way of playing from their over structured hit up and out the back block /decoy play and wrestling/judo inspired tackling techniques.

Anyone with any sort of intellect should realise that the game has to change and like the players the NRL and NRL Clubs have the same duty of care for it's employees as any other workplace does.

I find your strong stance and research on concussion quite absorbing.
Can you please show me links to how strong you were on this subject prior to PVL making these rule changes just two weeks ago?
Or are you just hopping on the PVL bandwagon like you did Flanagan's and Pearce's prior to that?

[NorfolkStreetKid]

At first I was encouraged by these two clowns. Now I believe they are trying to wreck the NRL. Please sign the below petition and spread the word far and wide.

http://chng.it/h7F4NCPgt8

240,000 registered NRL Football Club members, 1% of that is 2,400, your petition has less than 200 signatures. so less than one in a THOUSAND.... oh the outrage.

[Speedymetric]

I don’t understand why people are outraged that there might be more offloads if players are taught to tackle lower.

What’s wrong with more offloads & second phase play? It’s been a skill that has been pretty much missing for the last decade or so. Why wouldn’t you want to see more ball playing forwards standing in a tackle with a few defenders hanging off him & popping a pass to a flying fullback?

Having said that Cleary & Jake T are currently two of the most effective tacklers in the game. Neither of them go high as a habit, neither of are a liability with their techniques, neither of them will have to adapt but if anything will now be more effective & neither of them has a history of head injuries any higher than the average player.

[dice]

I don’t understand why people are outraged that there might be more offloads if players are taught to tackle lower.

The outrage is at the ignorance, not the offloads.

Go and watch the highlights of our 2019 preliminary final win over the Storm. As you relive probably the greatest defensive effort in recent history make note of the tries we saved by wrapping up the ball on our tryline. Especially Teddy's tackle on Brandon Smith.

Legs tackles not going to happen at this level of competition. It is an ignorant expectation.

[Thirteen]

I don’t understand why people are outraged that there might be more offloads if players are taught to tackle lower.

What’s wrong with more offloads & second phase play? It’s been a skill that has been pretty much missing for the last decade or so. Why wouldn’t you want to see more ball playing forwards standing in a tackle with a few defenders hanging off him & popping a pass to a flying fullback?

Having said that Cleary & Jake T are currently two of the most effective tacklers in the game. Neither of them go high as a habit, neither of are a liability with their techniques, neither of them will have to adapt but if anything will now be more effective & neither of them has a history of head injuries any higher than the average player.

Nothing as long as it’s your team doing these offloads and crafting the second phase play.