Robinson wants basics back

[NorfolkStreetKid]

If he was a great coach he would have taught them how to play by now.
How to behave on and off the field, how to put the team first.
He would have us being more skilful.... we have one of the highest error rates in the comp.
How to be better disciplined, we have nearly always been the most penalised team under his coaching.
He would have done a better job with our roster overall..... sure we have plenty of high priced stars but our back up players are poor.
Also our defence seems to lack agression, we struggle to lock up the ball or put someone on the ground.
Teddy, Joey, Suaalii, Toops, Keary, Walker, Radley, Crighton, JWH, Smith and Lodge are stars in any team, but the cover if any of them go down is poor.
I think we run one out too much..... because we are scared of passing the ball.
I think he is an average coach because an AVERAGE coach would have got just as good results as Robbo has achieved if he was given the same players and facilities.

[NorfolkStreetKid]

He didn't say he needed to teach anyone the basics of the game just that they need to get back to the basics of the game. It's a subtle but a key twisting of words on your end.


We had some of the best players in the game for the decade before he arrived and have nothing to show for it. Good players are only as useful as what you do with them and let's not pretend like Robinson hasn't played a major role in the development of Keary, Mitchell & James Tedesco. You speak as if he doesn't deserve credit for building the roster or doesn't deserve credit for developing players. I'm curious who you think is doing all of that? Just luckily and coincidentally has happened over his 10yr tenure when it just unluckily didn't the 10yrs prior?



The length of the season may not have changed much but the intensity of the game most certainly has. His points around the length of the competition are not new news and every club will be planning to time their run as much as the Roosters. For any club not to do so at this point with the amount of data and information they have would be incompetence of the highest level.


Yeh, 63% is a very special win rate. For some context here is a list of all coaches who have won 4 premierships or more and their respective win percentages. Just to be clear if he was to win another premiership he would be only the 10th coach in history to do so and he'd do it with the 3rd best win%. Average...

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The stats mean nothing..... I am saying that with the players Robbo has had, the results he has achieved are not great.... they are just about what an average coach would have achieved with the same cattle.

[HunchoRooster]

I think Robbo would redeem himself in a lot of people's eyes if he stopped playing Hutch in the 17.

[Rooster36]

Oh man it’s gonna be a long year. The chookpen if we’re already sacking robbo after one trial loss

[Rooster36]

I'm in the middle on this. Pretty harsh to call him average and give him little to no credit for our success. I think he is better off the pitch than he is with anything his sides produce on it. Average is tough due to the huge amount of truly woeful or average coaches that have been around the league in the past decade or so. He has a very unique mentality different to other NRL coaches and has improved our culture out of sight. I dont think you can argue that he hasn't improved our culture. It was a rabble for a while there. We seem more like a special club than we did 10-15 years ago.

Now, with the on field stuff i think your argument has more merit. Before 2018, Robbo's coaching in big games was highly suspect. Some absolutely honking botches in finals series where we really shouldve won or at least made a GF. I attribute our comp wins in 18-19 more to the group of players you previously mentioned than I do Robbo.

But this aura he has on here and the blasphemy if you dare question him is a bit much. The bloke has spent far too much time reading self help books and watching Diary of a CEO than he has reading footy play books and ironically "going back to basics". I think he has a big ego and is very stubborn, sometimes at the detriment to the team. Persisting with types of play that are not conducive to the current rule set or the type of players we have that have cost us in the long run. Dont get me started on this "Roosters footy" rubbish. Its corporate speak in the guise of "club pride/loyalty".

He shouldn't be Teflon. We have an amazing squad. Its better than every other squad on paper barring the Riff, who 3 years ago weren't anywhere near our level. He must evolve and he should face criticism for sure. He has had great sqhads in the past and won. I think whilst 3 comps in 10 years is amazing, there were missed opportunities to win more that say Bellamy probably wouldve taken. The only time ive been truly impressed by Robbo's coaching was the 2021 season where we narrowly missed out on Top 4 with virtually a reserve grade side when every other side wouldve fell out of the 8. People on here shouldn't shoot you down as quickly as they have.

this will be up there with Large Mikes teddy thread

[Chookies74]

"The only time ive been truly impressed by Robbo's coaching was the 2021 season where we narrowly missed out on Top 4 with virtually a reserve grade side when every other side wouldve fell out of the 8."
From my rosy glasses memory, Most of that was due to JWH.

[ChookMaster]

If he was a great coach he would have taught them how to play by now.
How to behave on and off the field, how to put the team first.
He would have us being more skilful.... we have one of the highest error rates in the comp.
How to be better disciplined, we have nearly always been the most penalised team under his coaching.
He would have done a better job with our roster overall..... sure we have plenty of high priced stars but our back up players are poor.
Also our defence seems to lack agression, we struggle to lock up the ball or put someone on the ground.
Teddy, Joey, Suaalii, Toops, Keary, Walker, Radley, Crighton, JWH, Smith and Lodge are stars in any team, but the cover if any of them go down is poor.
I think we run one out too much..... because we are scared of passing the ball.
I think he is an average coach because an AVERAGE coach would have got just as good results as Robbo has achieved if he was given the same players and facilities.

Fair.

[ChookMaster]

Robbo’s development skills will be tested this season you’d think. Our depth in the forwards for example. If we lose JWH..

Ben Thomas he is dog shite. Has no aggression in him at all and is soooo slow. Nafahu Whyte? Nafahu? Where are you? Where is this supposedly highly rated junior? He has been shite the last 2-3 years too. Tuku is big for nothing it seems.. errors in him and again doesn’t use his body size to his advantage at all. Baker all of the above.

Let’s see

[eddie]

There's no one out there who'd do a better job for us than Robbo.
He's the perfect fit for our club and the best coach we've ever had.

[NorfolkStreetKid]

Oh man it’s gonna be a long year. The chookpen if we’re already sacking robbo after one trial loss

I'm not saying sack Robbo...... just saying I don't think he is a guru coach, I hate the Roosters Footy rubbish. He has made plenty of stuff ups, and if he really was a GREAT coach we would have done better. I think the time is coming that we need to look at a change, if he can't win us a comp with the roster he has, and he can't improve the roster, and he can't reduce our error rate and our penalty rate. I can't see him doing either because he hasn't done it in 10 years. Todd Payten, Ivan Cleary, Fitzy, are all options.

[Dr. Voodoo Man]

There's no one out there who'd do a better job for us than Robbo.
He's the perfect fit for our club and the best coach we've ever had.

I'm honestly stunned that people are talking shit about Robbo after a trial loss. There is no better person on the planet for that position than Robbo. Personally I'm very happy that we have such a great coach.

[Inflictor]

IMO we win both 2020 and 2021 without the team being decimated by injuries to multiple star players.

I thought we had it in the bag last year at the start of the semis until Manu got injured and then Teddy, Toups and Gus in that semi.

We probably don't have this thread if not for our injury curse the last three years.

But then again maybe we would seeing we lost a trial.

[HunchoRooster]

this will be up there with Large Mikes teddy thread

Where have I said anything as outlandish as Teddy being the worst buy in history (after 2 games)?

I'm just saying that Robbo isn't teflon.

[HunchoRooster]

"The only time ive been truly impressed by Robbo's coaching was the 2021 season where we narrowly missed out on Top 4 with virtually a reserve grade side when every other side wouldve fell out of the 8."
From my rosy glasses memory, Most of that was due to JWH.

I don't think it was JFH that got those NSW Cup standard players to play out of their skins every week. He was very good no doubt, but i'm giving all credit to Robbo on that one. Which I don't usually do.

[HunchoRooster]

I'm not saying sack Robbo...... just saying I don't think he is a guru coach, I hate the Roosters Footy rubbish. He has made plenty of stuff ups, and if he really was a GREAT coach we would have done better. I think the time is coming that we need to look at a change, if he can't win us a comp with the roster he has, and he can't improve the roster, and he can't reduce our error rate and our penalty rate. I can't see him doing either because he hasn't done it in 10 years. Todd Payten, Ivan Cleary, Fitzy, are all options.

While your Robbo views are slightly more extreme than mine mate, it appears we are in the the wrong for saying that Robbo is anything but perfect and the most amazing man/coach in history...