Robinson wants basics back

[bondi.boy]

And where would you play Manu?

Right centre if he's fit, but he's not playing, it seems.

If Gus can train, why can't he play?
It's "battle stations" now, after that Manly debacle.
He's needed, our season is on the line.
Dolphins are no mugs, neither are the big Warriors, then we play Souths...who will beat us for sure if we're not at full strength and firing.
Zero points after 3 rounds?
There'll be a "please explain" then, I bet.

[Rooster36]

Having a supposedly great coach of a star studded team like the Roosters claim he has to teach the players the basics of the game is pitiful.
If they don't know the basics by now we are wasting our time.
He's been coaching them for 10 years, he has had some of the best players in the game at his disposal, Maloney and SBW and Jennings won us the comp in 2013, Cronk , Keary, Teddy and Mitchell won us the comps in 2018 and 2019.
He talks about the length of the competition..... I don't think the number of games has changed significantly in the last 25 years.
I don't think Robinson is a guru, or even an outstanding coach..... he is about average. His win percentage is 63% so he doesn't win 2 out of 3, and with the facilities, and the personel he has had that's nothing special.

What a load of garbage

[HunchoRooster]

Yeah, he's coached us for 10 years and had the best top 17 roster in the comp for just about all that time, and yet at times we look like a rabble, and he comes out with crap like we want to get back to basics.... like that's some new theory. I reckon he has failed in his recruitment and development of fringe players, and his game management is questionable. As I said, we have won comps when we have had superstars, I don't put it down to Robbo's coaching ability. He has not achieved outstanding results given the players he has had, I do not see that he has developed an outstanding culture. I think he is an average first grade coach.

I'm in the middle on this. Pretty harsh to call him average and give him little to no credit for our success. I think he is better off the pitch than he is with anything his sides produce on it. Average is tough due to the huge amount of truly woeful or average coaches that have been around the league in the past decade or so. He has a very unique mentality different to other NRL coaches and has improved our culture out of sight. I dont think you can argue that he hasn't improved our culture. It was a rabble for a while there. We seem more like a special club than we did 10-15 years ago.

Now, with the on field stuff i think your argument has more merit. Before 2018, Robbo's coaching in big games was highly suspect. Some absolutely honking botches in finals series where we really shouldve won or at least made a GF. I attribute our comp wins in 18-19 more to the group of players you previously mentioned than I do Robbo.

But this aura he has on here and the blasphemy if you dare question him is a bit much. The bloke has spent far too much time reading self help books and watching Diary of a CEO than he has reading footy play books and ironically "going back to basics". I think he has a big ego and is very stubborn, sometimes at the detriment to the team. Persisting with types of play that are not conducive to the current rule set or the type of players we have that have cost us in the long run. Dont get me started on this "Roosters footy" rubbish. Its corporate speak in the guise of "club pride/loyalty".

He shouldn't be Teflon. We have an amazing squad. Its better than every other squad on paper barring the Riff, who 3 years ago weren't anywhere near our level. He must evolve and he should face criticism for sure. He has had great sqhads in the past and won. I think whilst 3 comps in 10 years is amazing, there were missed opportunities to win more that say Bellamy probably wouldve taken. The only time ive been truly impressed by Robbo's coaching was the 2021 season where we narrowly missed out on Top 4 with virtually a reserve grade side when every other side wouldve fell out of the 8. People on here shouldn't shoot you down as quickly as they have.

[kakaruk]

Robos not a bad coach but he has stuffed up a few things Hes not infallible .Thankfully the great experiment we had at the beginning of last season won't be repeated and we have keary and walker playing in their rightful positions don't underestimate the effect that the experiment had on us not getting a top 4 spot last year it went on far too long also his obsession with Hutch personally i don't want to see hutch anywhere near a roosters A grade backline ever again. We will go okay at the start of this season we will get that top 4 sopt this year and win the big dance.

[Mickie Lane]

Sack Robbo I say.
Its laughable to say Robbo is an average coach but if NorfolkStreetkid says Robbo is an average coach then it must be true.
Its one of the most dumbest things Ive ever read on here that Robbo is an average coach. He is the best coach the Roosters have ever had & anyone who thinks that you don't need top players to win comps has no idea.

[ChookMaster]

Hutchinson in the centres for round 1…???

Robbo an average coach..???


Mods close this thread off and sack it please.

[bondi.boy]

Hutchinson in the centres for round 1…???

Robbo an average coach..???


Mods close this thread off and sack it please.

Hutch played right centre in the final against Souths in 2022.
Selected to play there by our master coach Trent.

[Rooster1908]

Having a supposedly great coach of a star studded team like the Roosters claim he has to teach the players the basics of the game is pitiful.
If they don't know the basics by now we are wasting our time.
He's been coaching them for 10 years, he has had some of the best players in the game at his disposal, Maloney and SBW and Jennings won us the comp in 2013, Cronk , Keary, Teddy and Mitchell won us the comps in 2018 and 2019.
He talks about the length of the competition..... I don't think the number of games has changed significantly in the last 25 years.
I don't think Robinson is a guru, or even an outstanding coach..... he is about average. His win percentage is 63% so he doesn't win 2 out of 3, and with the facilities, and the personel he has had that's nothing special.

This is just sad but I hate to say I agree with most of it . Robbo does need to go back to basics. His bench rotation and some of his selection choices even with the injuries we have had since 2019 are laughable. .He is obviously a great bloke but he needs to be more ruthless and stop sticking solid when its obvious that some players are just not Nrl material

[ithepact]

OK . this has to be said ....... Do we need 2 Wongs to make 1 Whyte! Ba-doom!

[Rooster_6]

Having a supposedly great coach of a star studded team like the Roosters claim he has to teach the players the basics of the game is pitiful.
If they don't know the basics by now we are wasting our time.

He didn't say he needed to teach anyone the basics of the game just that they need to get back to the basics of the game. It's a subtle but a key twisting of words on your end.

He's been coaching them for 10 years, he has had some of the best players in the game at his disposal, Maloney and SBW and Jennings won us the comp in 2013, Cronk , Keary, Teddy and Mitchell won us the comps in 2018 and 2019.

We had some of the best players in the game for the decade before he arrived and have nothing to show for it. Good players are only as useful as what you do with them and let's not pretend like Robinson hasn't played a major role in the development of Keary, Mitchell & James Tedesco. You speak as if he doesn't deserve credit for building the roster or doesn't deserve credit for developing players. I'm curious who you think is doing all of that? Just luckily and coincidentally has happened over his 10yr tenure when it just unluckily didn't the 10yrs prior?

He talks about the length of the competition..... I don't think the number of games has changed significantly in the last 25 years

The length of the season may not have changed much but the intensity of the game most certainly has. His points around the length of the competition are not new news and every club will be planning to time their run as much as the Roosters. For any club not to do so at this point with the amount of data and information they have would be incompetence of the highest level.

I don't think Robinson is a guru, or even an outstanding coach..... he is about average. His win percentage is 63% so he doesn't win 2 out of 3, and with the facilities, and the personel he has had that's nothing special.

Yeh, 63% is a very special win rate. For some context here is a list of all coaches who have won 4 premierships or more and their respective win percentages. Just to be clear if he was to win another premiership he would be only the 10th coach in history to do so and he'd do it with the 3rd best win%. Average...

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[Rooster_6]

Would be good to see Victor run the ball more. These second man plays get predictable, often the receiver is under pressure when getting the ball.

Yeh agree, he's genuinely one of our best ball carriers.

[Rooster_6]

This is just sad but I hate to say I agree with most of it . Robbo does need to go back to basics. His bench rotation and some of his selection choices even with the injuries we have had since 2019 are laughable. .He is obviously a great bloke but he needs to be more ruthless and stop sticking solid when its obvious that some players are just not Nrl material

But everyone in the Roosters 17 isn't NRL material at some point in time on the Chookpen.

Take Nat Butcher, everyone wanted him dropped and he was just about our best player in our 8 game win streak.
JWH - Too old needs to retire. Ends the season as one of the best front row pairs in the game.
Connor Watson - barely reserve grade standard if you read the comments early but was great for us off the bench once he stopped having to cover for an injury crisis at dummy half.

I'm not saying Robinson hasn't gotten it wrong but sticking solid with players you trust seems to be a far more proven method than dropping players in and out of reserve grade on 'form'.

[King Salvo]

Hutch played right centre in the final against Souths in 2022.
Selected to play there by our master coach Trent.

Hutch didn't lose the match though - a combo of HIA'S and Sin Bins were ultimately telling factors in the loss one has to honestly say - Radley needs anger management training as he is far too easily bated.

2021 Match against the Broncos - twice sin binned and 4 times on report- ridiculous

[Eggspert]

Love Robbo but he can't seem to fix our error rate. It's quite comical really.

Also not being able to reel-in the brain explosions of JWH & Radley have hurt the team lately. He's let discipline slip.

Also our defence sure isn't what it used to be.

How many games have we beaten ourselves rather than the opposition being better since our B2B.

[stringaz]

Yeh agree, he's genuinely one of our best ball carriers.

Some of our best backline movements have come from radley linking in the middle.

In 2019, I was seeing a little of SBW in victors game, some great spearing runs up the middle when the pass wasn't on(quick defensive line) in order to retain momentum and a quick PTB.

It's up to robbo to get Victor to identify the right decision to make, run or pass, as I agree that we'd like to see him run the ball more which I believe will bring the cheese and teddy into the game through the middle of the ruck.

We have to great halves anyway, I concur he gets way too "passy" sometimes, have a run lad!