Now that crap is out of the way

[Steggles]

Good Post NSK... it is pretty obvious even for blind Fredy that there is an issue at the club, be it the coach as this is the person in charge of the squad. How can a team that performed so admirably towards the back end of the season last year with a patched-up team be so woeful the following season with a supposedly stronger team and in my opinion against a weaker competition. The panthers have lost at least 2 major players, the rabbits have lost a couple of notable players, the storm have been decimated by the loss of over 50% of their pack. Robinson is the "captain" of this ship and must take responsibility for our disheartening performances. His dogged determination in not dropping players that deserve to be dropped and promoting players that are doing well in lower grades is mind boggling. I have been following the Roosters for over 55 years and never have I seen a coach conduct himself in such a confusing and irrational manner.

Words of wisdom easternboy.

[King Salvo]

Souths and Melbourne are pretenders. Penrith are much weakened. This was our year!

How are Penrith much weakened though when they were several levels about the rest of the field

Sure they lost Koroisau and Kikau - Luke is no slouch as player and neither is Sorenson and Garner when he was playing

They lose a bit in offense but certainly gain in D with Sorenson and Garner - D was not a strong suit of Kikau's - 81 missed tackles in 2022.

Defence is the cornerstone of Penrith's grind game as you can see below - when your conceding a touch more or less than 2 converted tries a game over a long period then you are going to be very hard to beat- Penrith still are above the other 16 teams - so up to other teams to improve not hope that Penrith drop their level

Average points conceded per game

• 2020 - 11.90 - 20 game regular season - 18 wins
• 2021 - 11.91 - 21 wins
• 2022 - 13.75 - 20 wins
• 2023 - 11.36 - 11 games - 7 wins

I am still baffled how it's often said the Roosters have the best Roster/ squad but when you read the posts on here it's the opposite - named a 17 of players who posters either don't rate/ say they shouldn't be in the side or even at the club then the same one's on other posts bang on saying oh we have the best roster/ squad and why aren't they winning,

Baffling to say the least

[Thirteen]

How are Penrith much weakened though when they were several levels about the rest of the field

Sure they lost Koroisau and Kikau - Luke is no slouch as player and neither is Sorenson and Garner when he was playing

They lose a bit in offense but certainly gain in D with Sorenson and Garner - D was not a strong suit of Kikau's - 81 missed tackles in 2022.

Defence is the cornerstone of Penrith's grind game as you can see below - when your conceding a touch more or less than 2 converted tries a game over a long period then you are going to be very hard to beat- Penrith still are above the other 16 teams - so up to other teams to improve not hope that Penrith drop their level

Average points conceded per game

• 2020 - 11.90 - 20 game regular season - 18 wins
• 2021 - 11.91 - 21 wins
• 2022 - 13.75 - 20 wins
• 2023 - 11.36 - 11 games - 7 wins

I am still baffled how it's often said the Roosters have the best Roster/ squad but when you read the posts on here it's the opposite - named a 17 of players who posters either don't rate/ say they shouldn't be in the side or even at the club then the same one's on other posts bang on saying oh we have the best roster/ squad and why aren't they winning,

Baffling to say the least

So you think Penrith are as strong this year as they were the last 2 years? I don’t care what your stats say. Nobody in their right mind would think Penrith are as strong as they were.

[easternboy]

So you think Penrith are as strong this year as they were the last 2 years? I don’t care what your stats say. Nobody in their right mind would think Penrith are as strong as they were.

I agree 13, the panthers have lost arguably one of the best second rowers in the league in Kikau due to his size and menacing presence which is something I think we lack in our pack. They have also arguably lost the best to second best hooker in the league....hmm, just looking at face value I would say the panthers are weaker.

[Bates]

How can you not like SOO?

It ticks all the boxes.

[Les Tricolores]

That's drawing a long bow to say that losing games equates to a rift in the playing ranks - Souths have lost 2 in a row so is there is rift in their ranks -

All you need to look at is the stats in offense to know key players KPI's are down and the flow on affect that this has on other players when comparing the stats from 2022 to 2023 -11 games.

Some players are in different positions and are still learning their role and some are returning from long term injuries or disrupted pre-seasons which also plays a part.

You can fix your defence easier than you can fix your offense - If your so called spine are not creating the points and point scoring opportunities then naturally points will be hard to come by as others are reliant on them to do this.

Manu is one player outside the spine that can also create the points and point scoring opportunities as 2022 stats show if he gets decent ball that is which he wasn't getting so logically had to be moved to where he can get his hands on the ball

The Much maligned Butcher Brothers are certainly needed in the team for their D and especially when points are not forthcoming - both 80 minute players averaging near or over 40 tackles a game - Egan 38 and Nat 47.

Always amazes me that folk don't want them in the team as they apparently don't make the yardage they think they should but on the other hand they don't want Sitili seen as a yardage player in the team either because he misses too many tackles.

Some stats are incomplete as far as line breaks/line break assists go though but one would assume they are down as well in 2023 - if not in top 50 or recorded by the club they don't get recorded on the individual players stats - NRL Stats site

Keary

2022 (22 games ) - 22 try assists and 20 line break assists - 2 tries
2023 (11 games ) - 6 try assists and 7 line break assists - 5 tries

Tedesco

2022 ( 24 games ) - 12 Try assists - 17 line breaks and 14 line break assists - 13 tries
2023 (11 games ) - 4 try assists and 6 line breaks - 3 tries

Manu

2022 (23 games) - 12 try assists -13 line breaks and 15 line break assists - 11 tries
2023 ( 8 games ) - 1 try assist and 1 line break - 1 try

Walker

2022 ( 25 games ) - 16 try assists and 11 line break assists - 7 tries
2023 (6) games ) - 2 try assists and 2 line break assists - 1 try


A selection of other players - Line Breaks and Try assists 2022 and 2023

Toops

2022 - (22 games) - 20 Line Breaks and 2 try assists - 16 tries
2023 - (7 games) - 2 Line Breaks and 1 try assist - 3 tries

Suaalii

2022 - (19 games) - 16 Line Breaks and 2 try assists - 15 tries
2023 - (11 games ) - 3 Line Breaks and 2 try assists - 1 try

Crichton

2022 - (25 games) - 12 Line Breaks
2023 - ( 5 games ) - 1 Line Break

Sitili

2022 - ( 16 games) - 9 line Breaks - 7 tries ( 14 in 2021 from 25 games- 12 tries)
2023 - ( 5 games ) - 0 Line Breaks - 1 Try

Billy Smith

2022 - ( 7 games) - 1 line Break - 0 Tries
2023 - ( 3 games) - 2 Line Breaks - 1 Try assist - 0 Tries

You present these stats as if they are the cause of our demise when they simply are the effect

The fish rots from the head… this is a very poorly coached side these days

[ism22]

I feel like every week we see threads and posts like this. "If they don't win this week there must be internal issues" or "If they don't win this week changes need to be made". The time for change was weeks ago.

We have losses against the Cowboys, Dragons and Dolphins who all should have been easyish wins for us, we have been dominated against most stronger teams this year as well. I assure you Cronulla, Melbourne, Penrith and Souths are not afraid of coming up against the Roosters anymore but the roster we have should absolutely strike fear into all teams.

Um... we beat Souffs, ay?

[SupermanSupportsEasts4Eva]

No it neins cash cow not the nrls. Nein owns the rights to ori9in not the nrl. There is a cash swap and im sure that nein gets the gate less gov expensis/hire.

Incorrect. C9 get money from the boardcast and advertising, but the host govt (SA) paid millions to the NRL to have SOO played there in both 2020 and then again last night

[SamKerrSimp]

So you think Penrith are as strong this year as they were the last 2 years? I don’t care what your stats say. Nobody in their right mind would think Penrith are as strong as they were.

Penrith are on top of the table lol they might not be dominating as the last few years but you are dribbling if you don’t think they’re still the benchmark and will be contending for the title.

[ism22]

You present these stats as if they are the cause of our demise when they simply are the effect

The fish rots from the head… this is a very poorly coached side these days

Is it though? We did also beat Souffs and hold the Warriors to zero in NZ.

I've said it a few times now that as a previous elite athlete (and still a competitive runner who will finish in the top 10% of most marathons, parkruns...etc), sometimes the training, passion and effort's there but for some reason you flop.

IMO there's no guarantee that (for example) if you put the Dragons' interim coach in charge at Bondi or whoever else (say Todd Payten or Ivan Cleary) that we'd be doing any better.

There's flaws but Robbo's made the finals just about every year. Things could be MUCH worse!

[Eggspert]

Have a look at the team stats on NRL website..... in almost all the positive stats we are last or in the bottom 3.

Points scored... .............Last
Tries..............................Last
Time in posession .... ...Last
Set completions ...........Last
Line breaks...... ............2nd last
Post contact metres ......2nd last
Tackle breaks.... ...........2nd last
Decoy runs........ ...........Last
All run metres ..............Last
All runs..... ...................2nd last
Offloads...................... .Last
Try assists.................. ..2nd last
Line break assists ... ....3rd last...... YAH!!
All receipts.... ..............2nd Last
Total kicks..... ..............2nd last
Kick metres.... .............3rd last..... YAH !!

Everything else we are mid field, missed tackles, errors, penalties conceded etc, but we are flattered in those compared to many because we have had two byes.
We were very lucky to beat Souths, and St George on Anzac Day, we really could be last on 3 wins.
Disgraceful state of affairs for our club.

Yeah but those crap stats are all Sam Walkers fault.

Because the last 6 weeks he's played 1st grade he's been terrible..........wait hang on.

[Bates]

So you think Penrith are as strong this year as they were the last 2 years? I don’t care what your stats say. Nobody in their right mind would think Penrith are as strong as they were.

They flogged us. I reckon they'll win it again.

[Eggspert]

Penrith are on top of the table lol they might not be dominating as the last few years but you are dribbling if you don’t think they’re still the benchmark and will be contending for the title.

Losing Api & Kikau should of then weakened them you would think but hasn't.

We lose SST pretty much but pick up Cheese & are arguablly supposedly stronger.

Better/ Smarter Coaching that tells me or just one of those bad years?

[Bates]

Losing Api & Kikau should of then weakened them you would think but hasn't.

We lose SST pretty much but pick up Cheese & are arguablly supposedly stronger.

Better/ Smarter Coaching that tells me or just one of those bad years?

Better halves pairing for a start plus combinations that were forged from playing together as juniors. Coach Cleary is also a gun. It also helps to have 12,000 juniors in your catchment area. They could field 2 competitive teams.

As a side note. Nathan Cleary looks no better than Pearce in a Blues jumper.

[Les Tricolores]

Is it though? We did also beat Souffs and hold the Warriors to zero in NZ.

I've said it a few times now that as a previous elite athlete (and still a competitive runner who will finish in the top 10% of most marathons, parkruns...etc), sometimes the training, passion and effort's there but for some reason you flop.

IMO there's no guarantee that (for example) if you put the Dragons' interim coach in charge at Bondi or whoever else (say Todd Payten or Ivan Cleary) that we'd be doing any better.

There's flaws but Robbo's made the finals just about every year. Things could be MUCH worse!

Well yes it is unfortunately

Robbo is the worst performing coach in the NRL this season… no one has done less with more… and he has a very good squad at his disposal… as he did last year

I wouldn’t necessarily say that anyone could do a better job presently… but I’m certain that no one could do worse

Robbo used to be cutting edge… but he’s gone soft in the head these last couple of years

If we go down to the Dogs I’ll be happy to provide you with a list of some of his most recent quotes that makes that abundantly clear