The Coming Federal Election.

[Mickie Lane]

Whats wrong with voting for the Greens?

[Random Rooster]

Whats wrong with voting for the Greens?

Nothing if you like their policies

Vote for the party whose lies will least affect you!

[Mickie Lane]

Nothing if you like their policies

Vote for the party whose lies will least affect you!

I can only vouch for my life my wife's life & my kids life but in my 58 years it hasnt mattered which government is in power. my lifestyle & the lifestyle of my wife & kids has never changed we all have lived at the same level of life which includes my wife & I buying & selling property 6 times never losing out being able to drive pretty good cars go overseas numerous times, able to buy nice clothes, watches, jewelry plus have a great collection of memorabilia. Im not trying to show off Im just trying to say that my wife & I have always worked (not really high paid wages) & we have been able to live a nice life regardless of who is in power.

[ism22]

Whats wrong with voting for the Greens?

I think all votes are valid. My personal opinion about smaller parties is that they are generally a bit shortsighted whereas the two biggies think about whole of economy policies.

IMO the Greens were a solid option when they were a climate change and deforestation party. Basically a 'don't destroy our earth with your policies and actually... maybe try to fix it' kinda party. This was in a world where they were run by an intelligent dude with a heart (Bob Brown) and importantly... right-wing loons weren't denying what was then called the 'enhanced greenhouse effect'. It was pretty much universally accepted that cutting down native forests and doing shyte like releasing CFCs, CO2 and other pollutants into the air was a wholly shyte thing to be doing. Right wingers of the day had a principled approach that involved prioritising economic policy ahead of environmental policy.

Today's world involves right-wing muck rakers at first mischievously (and now quite foolishly / delusionally) denying links between pollution and broader environmental issues such as the scientifically proven 'enhanced greenhouse effect'. It then has the Greens ditching environmental policy and focussing on being the commercialise drugs and make housing free for all party.

The Greens now pickup a lot of people who are disenfranchised with mainstream politics and don't care about anything other than access to drugs and housing. IMO this is as short-sighted as parties like One Nation, which attract Trump-like voters whose solution to their own personal economic woes is to kick out immigrants (particularly those of colour) and prioritise jobs for locals.

More broadly I think the issue with disenfranchised voters saying 'fark the main parties' is that they don't bother to engage with issues beyond 'how can I get a better job/house'. Either they blame immigrants or they beg for the government to dole out more welfare. IMO both concepts are shortsighted and ignore the bigger game at play, including questions such as 'who will be PM if I vote this way?'

The above said, the joy (or curse?) of democracy is that complete randoms/morons can get elected. As a lawyer I have a strong belief in the pillars of democracy and confidence in them. Though I despise various far-right / far-left / chaotic 'WTF' candidates, I think that them being elected is proof that the system is fair and works. Thus, their quirky presence in parliament (and people's right to vote for them) is an inherent good that benefits democracy. And hell... end of the day I don't actually think there's much difference between Peter Dutton and Pauline Hanson.

[Barron's Dream]

i think all votes are valid. My personal opinion about smaller parties is that they are generally a bit shortsighted whereas the two biggies think about whole of economy policies.

Imo the greens were a solid option when they were a climate change and deforestation party. Basically a 'don't destroy our earth with your policies and actually... Maybe try to fix it' kinda party. This was in a world where they were run by an intelligent dude with a heart (bob brown) and importantly... Right-wing loons weren't denying what was then called the 'enhanced greenhouse effect'. It was pretty much universally accepted that cutting down native forests and doing shyte like releasing cfcs, co2 and other pollutants into the air was a wholly shyte thing to be doing. Right wingers of the day had a principled approach that involved prioritising economic policy ahead of environmental policy.

Today's world involves right-wing muck rakers at first mischievously (and now quite foolishly / delusionally) denying links between pollution and broader environmental issues such as the scientifically proven 'enhanced greenhouse effect'. It then has the greens ditching environmental policy and focussing on being the commercialise drugs and make housing free for all party.

The greens now pickup a lot of people who are disenfranchised with mainstream politics and don't care about anything other than access to drugs and housing. Imo this is as short-sighted as parties like one nation, which attract trump-like voters whose solution to their own personal economic woes is to kick out immigrants (particularly those of colour) and prioritise jobs for locals.

More broadly i think the issue with disenfranchised voters saying 'fark the main parties' is that they don't bother to engage with issues beyond 'how can i get a better job/house'. Either they blame immigrants or they beg for the government to dole out more welfare. Imo both concepts are shortsighted and ignore the bigger game at play, including questions such as 'who will be pm if i vote this way?'

the above said, the joy (or curse?) of democracy is that complete randoms/morons can get elected. As a lawyer i have a strong belief in the pillars of democracy and confidence in them. Though i despise various far-right / far-left / chaotic 'wtf' candidates, i think that them being elected is proof that the system is fair and works. Thus, their quirky presence in parliament (and people's right to vote for them) is an inherent good that benefits democracy. And hell... End of the day i don't actually think there's much difference between peter dutton and pauline hanson.

tldr

[Random Rooster]

I can only vouch for my life my wife's life & my kids life but in my 58 years it hasnt mattered which government is in power. my lifestyle & the lifestyle of my wife & kids has never changed we all have lived at the same level of life which includes my wife & I buying & selling property 6 times never losing out being able to drive pretty good cars go overseas numerous times, able to buy nice clothes, watches, jewelry plus have a great collection of memorabilia. Im not trying to show off Im just trying to say that my wife & I have always worked (not really high paid wages) & we have been able to live a nice life regardless of who is in power.

I hears ya Mickie

I say to my kids all the time they won the ovarian lottery when they were born in this country. I make sure they know how my old man came here from Italy as a teenager with nothing, couldn't speak a word of english, didn't know anyone, lived in a tin chook shed in Campsie for 3 years....just so he could have a job in a factory. Even then he used most of his low wage for food, rent and to pay someone to teach him english.

Australia is just the best

[A Country Member]

Ha ha! That's about it. The lower intellect Boomer cohort. Too stupid to rein in the junk food and booze intake but I'm surprised that you are a Green sceptic Count. The colour Teal does include a large dollop of Green so Zoe's not hiding anything.

MR's timidity re voting Green is widely shared (see Randy for example, an intelligent person but a closed mind re Russia/Ukraine and now the Greens.) Instead of being critical of our RW media, many are conditioned to the ludicrous fantasy that it's a voice from above.

Murdoch declared war on the Green party years ago effectively meaning that one cannot believe ANYTHING that News says or reports on their policies, philosophy or anything else Green. 60% of the population rate the media as being unreliable in surveys but 40% don't agree, they think that the media is almost an extension of us.

Anyone who has kids should be very wary of the two major parties, as the future isn’t as bright as it should be. Capitalism and consumerism strip the worlds finite resources and someone needs to remind them there are future generations who also require this planet to live on.

I was referring to Monique but Zoe is equally as prominent in her views and occupying previously long held Liberal seats. The msm was trying to lure Monique into labelling herself a ‘colour’ but she refused the bait and reminded them that her views are hers and her constituents rather than a party line.

I acknowledge that green added into blue (Liberal) makes teal but I dislike the labelling for independents who are offering an alternative position for the Australian public.

See how the Strumpets have taken the yellow colour too

[Random Rooster]

Ha ha! That's about it. The lower intellect Boomer cohort. Too stupid to rein in the junk food and booze intake but I'm surprised that you are a Green sceptic Count. The colour Teal does include a large dollop of Green so Zoe's not hiding anything.

MR's timidity re voting Green is widely shared (see Randy for example, an intelligent person but a closed mind re Russia/Ukraine and now the Greens.) Instead of being critical of our RW media, many are conditioned to the ludicrous fantasy that it's a voice from above.

Murdoch declared war on the Green party years ago effectively meaning that one cannot believe ANYTHING that News says or reports on their policies, philosophy or anything else Green. 60% of the population rate the media as being unreliable in surveys but 40% don't agree, they think that the media is almost an extension of us.

I think you took it the wrong way.....i'm saying my 2 boys are voting for The Greens and it's not from any influence from myself or their mother. We certainly dont try and talk them out of who they want to vote for. My actual point was a lot of the people i know will be voting for the Greens and i wouldn't be surprised if they perform well above expectations.

As for my vote......King Sal assures me that i'm a Libertarian....i might have to take that path!!

Re Russia and Ukraine- the " RW Media" are taking every opportunity to bash Zelensky and are pro Putin- so yeah i am being critical of right wing media.

[Paddo Colt 61]

Whats wrong with voting for the Greens?

You can tell by some of the prior comments that the Greens are radical. The media and the Establishment have achieved that. MR has drunk the Cool Aid as has 08 and Jaxie and millions of others of course. For the average guy, what's not to like about the manifesto but there's now a well conditioned aversion response from years of swallowing msm derision.

[mightyrooster]

You can tell by some of the prior comments that the Greens are radical. The media and the Establishment have achieved that. MR has drunk the Cool Aid as has 08 and Jaxie and millions of others of course. For the average guy, what's not to like about the manifesto but there's now a well conditioned aversion response from years of swallowing msm derision.

Give me a break please Paddo. Cool Aid?

[caz]

greens lost me when they voted against rudd's carbon reduction scheme

[mightyrooster]

It’s clear Paddo has made assumptions and jumped to conclusions. I don’t dismiss the Greens because I have been indoctrinated and brainwashed. I am capable of reading a manifesto and deciding if it’s worth voting for. Some of their policies are things I would like to see happen but you can’t implement every single one of those policies and run a capitalist government and economy with that manifesto. Unless you want a full on socialist government. I’ve made the choice I don’t, without the aid of any kool.

[Paddo Colt 61]

greens lost me when they voted against rudd's carbon reduction scheme

Okay Caz but the majors, because they are so leery of the RW media, just tinker with climate change action while we, the sheeple, agonise about the futures of our progeny. The ALP does just enough to make the claim that it is doing something and the LNP represents the polluters so nothing meaningful will ever happen on their watch, Nuclear is a do nothing stalling tactic.

The Greens, on the other hand are fair dinkum about the issue and seek to act urgently and meaningfully on it. Rudd's action plan was too little and, for those concerned about lack of real progress, the Greens acted appropriately. They are a rival political party, why should they compromise their integrity?

The Libs embrace and, indeed, represent the greed of Corporate business. Some are in total denial, arguing either that CC is arrant bullshit or a fabrication of the Left aimed at destroying capitalism (see MR's, 08's and Jax's posts). I'm amazed that ordinary battlers sympathise with the deniers and do their bidding by rejecting organisations like the Greens who are "us" really, there is nothing in it our present CC policy for the future of working people

[mightyrooster]

Okay Caz but the majors, because they are so leery of the RW media, just tinker with climate change action while we, the sheeple, agonise about the futures of our progeny. The ALP does just enough to make the claim that it is doing something and the LNP represents the polluters so nothing meaningful will ever happen on their watch, Nuclear is a do nothing stalling tactic.

The Greens, on the other hand are fair dinkum about the issue and seek to act urgently and meaningfully on it. Rudd's action plan was too little and, for those concerned about lack of real progress, the Greens acted appropriately. They are a rival political party, why should they compromise their integrity?

The Libs embrace and, indeed, represent the greed of Corporate business. Some are in total denial, arguing either that CC is arrant bullshit or a fabrication of the Left aimed at destroying capitalism (see MR's, 08's and Jax's posts). I'm amazed that ordinary battlers sympathise with the deniers and do their bidding by rejecting organisations like the Greens who are "us" really, there is nothing in it our present CC policy for the future of working people

I am not a climate change denier. Climate change is real. Do not misrepresent me.

[mightyrooster]

Paddo, just because I don’t embrace a socialist system does not make me a climate denier. Or someone who doesn’t believe in Medicare, or free / strongly subsidised tertiary education. I believe in all those things. But I’m also a capitalist or as Salvo puts it, a Lbertarian lol. Would you give up your investment property (if I remember correctly you have one? Apologies if I’m wrong) for the social cause? I have an average home in an average suburb and I’m proud of it and the fact I bought it as a single woman on a single income decades ago. If that makes me a greedy capitalist then I’ll wear that title.