Terrorist attacks in Israel

[caz]

Thanks caz. He’s going to Europe for 6-7 weeks. Unfortunately he added Istanbul at the end where he also flies home from via Singapore. At the time I advised him to skip Istanbul, but he didn’t. This is the part that makes me very anxious. Thanks for your nice, non condescending response. It’s much appreciated. I have shown him the Smart traveller website too. It’s very useful.

i've been to istanbul. lovely city. nothing beats a trip up the bosporous.
personally i'd still go there. israel won't attack it and iran has enough problems without involving a country with such military capability as turkey.
terrorism can happen anywhere but gee you'd be unlucky

[caz]

To his credit, and despite the bluster, the Trumpster is a peacenik.

What we're seeing is the reason that neighbouring Arab states have formed over time an anti Israel coalition. Having a monopoly on nuclear puts it in the dominant position and it uses that power aggressively. The region should be nuclear free so that a balance of power might be restored.

Having seen, in Gaza, what the IDF is capable of, who could claim the the Israelis are the adults in the room and the others are the worry?

yeah, trump is a peacenik. dumb proposition but if he'd been president during the 60s the u.s. wouldn't have gone into vietnam. the maga/flower power coalition ...

[mightyrooster]

i've been to istanbul. lovely city. nothing beats a trip up the bosporous.
personally i'd still go there. israel won't attack it and iran has enough problems without involving a country with such military capability as turkey.
terrorism can happen anywhere but gee you'd be unlucky

Reassuring to hear opinions from others. Mothers always worry about their kids no matter how old they are. This is the first time he’s gone overseas by himself. Well he’s going with a couple of friends. They’ve organised it all themselves.

[mightyrooster]

As for the current fighting, it’s just a horrible situation. It just never ends there.

[caz]

Reassuring to hear opinions from others. Mothers always worry about their kids no matter how old they are. This is the first time he’s gone overseas by himself. Well he’s going with a couple of friends. They’ve organised it all themselves.

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[Random Rooster]

To his credit, and despite the bluster, the Trumpster is a peacenik.

Oh look, your beloved peacenik in action…

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trum...y?id=122807155

Let’s be honest—what you really love about him isn’t peace. It’s that he rolls over like a golden retriever for Putin and gets visibly irritated every time someone mentions Zelensky. But hey, that fits your narrative perfectly, yeah? Just ignore the facts, crank up the far right news, and pretend he's out there winning Nobel Prizes instead of buddying up with autocrats and cheering on bombings from the golf course.

[Paddo Colt 61]

Oh look, your beloved peacenik in action…

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trum...y?id=122807155

Let’s be honest—what you really love about him isn’t peace. It’s that he rolls over like a golden retriever for Putin and gets visibly irritated every time someone mentions Zelensky. But hey, that fits your narrative perfectly, yeah? Just ignore the facts, crank up the far right news, and pretend he's out there winning Nobel Prizes instead of buddying up with autocrats and cheering on bombings from the golf course.

The sentiments that you express here are somewhat at odds with those implied in #391 but, yes, I should have qualified "peacenik", my use is limited to his reluctance to entertain any direct US direct involvement. especially with Iran whose military capability is commensurate with Israel's except for the Bomb. Obviously the US has no concern for its proxies, that is evident in Uke-land..

At #391 you lamented the tragedy of war for ordinary people, especially the braver journalists, but here you imply that the US should be more gung ho. That would mean even more death and destruction would it not?

[Barron's Dream]

You clowns acting like you have the answers is hilarious. Chookpen retards solving the world's problems one at a time.

[Random Rooster]

The sentiments that you express here are somewhat at odds with those implied in #391 but, yes, I should have qualified "peacenik", my use is limited to his reluctance to entertain any direct US direct involvement. especially with Iran whose military capability is commensurate with Israel's except for the Bomb. Obviously the US has no concern for its proxies, that is evident in Uke-land..

At #391 you lamented the tragedy of war for ordinary people, especially the braver journalists, but here you imply that the US should be more gung ho. That would mean even more death and destruction would it not?

I implied the U.S. should be gung ho? Sorry, no. Your “peacenik” take is 100% shaped by Trump being handled by Putin — not by facts, and certainly not by anything related to Israel’s direct attack on Iran.

I’m stating that you calling Trump a peacenik because of his so-called “reluctance” to get the U.S. involved directly is bullshit. What do you call quietly giving the green light while your proxies do the dirty work? A spiritual retreat? Come on.

The idea that the U.S. — especially under Trump — was hands-off is laughable. His foreign policy was basically: “You bomb who you like, just make sure you use our stuff and keep our fingerprints light.” He didn’t end wars — he outsourced them.

Let’s not forget:

• He tore up the Iran nuclear deal just to spite Obama.
• Launched the “maximum pressure” sanctions that crippled Iran’s economy and escalated tensions across the region.
• Ordered the drone assassination of Soleimani, which was one step short of kicking off WWIII.
• Bragged about selling billions in arms to the Saudis — “jobs, baby!” — knowing full well they were fueling a humanitarian catastrophe in Yemen.
• Increased drone strikes and rolled back civilian oversight of military operations.

So no — pointing out U.S. involvement doesn’t contradict my grief for civilians and journalists caught in the middle. What is contradictory is painting Trump as some peace-loving bystander while Israel drops American-made ordnance using American intel, with full knowledge and quiet approval from Washington.

If Trump’s a “peacenik,” then I guess waterboarding is just an aggressive form of hydrotherapy.

[Barron's Dream]

I implied the U.S. should be gung ho? Sorry, no. Your “peacenik” take is 100% shaped by Trump being handled by Putin — not by facts, and certainly not by anything related to Israel’s direct attack on Iran.

I’m stating that you calling Trump a peacenik because of his so-called “reluctance” to get the U.S. involved directly is bullshit. What do you call quietly giving the green light while your proxies do the dirty work? A spiritual retreat? Come on.

The idea that the U.S. — especially under Trump — was hands-off is laughable. His foreign policy was basically: “You bomb who you like, just make sure you use our stuff and keep our fingerprints light.” He didn’t end wars — he outsourced them.

Let’s not forget:

• He tore up the Iran nuclear deal just to spite Obama.
• Launched the “maximum pressure” sanctions that crippled Iran’s economy and escalated tensions across the region.
• Ordered the drone assassination of Soleimani, which was one step short of kicking off WWIII.
• Bragged about selling billions in arms to the Saudis — “jobs, baby!” — knowing full well they were fueling a humanitarian catastrophe in Yemen.
• Increased drone strikes and rolled back civilian oversight of military operations.

So no — pointing out U.S. involvement doesn’t contradict my grief for civilians and journalists caught in the middle. What is contradictory is painting Trump as some peace-loving bystander while Israel drops American-made ordnance using American intel, with full knowledge and quiet approval from Washington.

If Trump’s a “peacenik,” then I guess waterboarding is just an aggressive form of hydrotherapy.

lol at your tiny brain

[Paddo Colt 61]

I implied the U.S. should be gung ho? Sorry, no. Your “peacenik” take is 100% shaped by Trump being handled by Putin — not by facts, and certainly not by anything related to Israel’s direct attack on Iran.

I’m stating that you calling Trump a peacenik because of his so-called “reluctance” to get the U.S. involved directly is bullshit. What do you call quietly giving the green light while your proxies do the dirty work? A spiritual retreat? Come on.

The idea that the U.S. — especially under Trump — was hands-off is laughable. His foreign policy was basically: “You bomb who you like, just make sure you use our stuff and keep our fingerprints light.” He didn’t end wars — he outsourced them.

Let’s not forget:

• He tore up the Iran nuclear deal just to spite Obama.
• Launched the “maximum pressure” sanctions that crippled Iran’s economy and escalated tensions across the region.
• Ordered the drone assassination of Soleimani, which was one step short of kicking off WWIII.
• Bragged about selling billions in arms to the Saudis — “jobs, baby!” — knowing full well they were fueling a humanitarian catastrophe in Yemen.
• Increased drone strikes and rolled back civilian oversight of military operations.

So no — pointing out U.S. involvement doesn’t contradict my grief for civilians and journalists caught in the middle. What is contradictory is painting Trump as some peace-loving bystander while Israel drops American-made ordnance using American intel, with full knowledge and quiet approval from Washington.

If Trump’s a “peacenik,” then I guess waterboarding is just an aggressive form of hydrotherapy.

I agree with just about everything you've said. As I explained earlier, my 'Peacenik" comment referred to US boots on the ground. I'm saying he won't get directly involved. Selling arms is not direct involvement in the sense that there will be no US body bags but, yes the main beneficiary is the US Military/Industrial connection, as it will be when the West follows the spend more of the GNP on "defence" order, and it is an order.

[Random Rooster]

I agree with just about everything you've said. As I explained earlier, my 'Peacenik" comment referred to US boots on the ground. I'm saying he won't get directly involved. Selling arms is not direct involvement in the sense that there will be no US body bags but, yes the main beneficiary is the US Military/Industrial connection, as it will be when the West follows the spend more of the GNP on "defence" order, and it is an order.

The phrase 'boots on the ground' is becoming outdated in modern warfare. These days it's all about drones, cyber attacks, long-range missiles, and proxy militias, a country no longer needs to invade with tanks and troops to wage war. Conflicts are now fought remotely — through sanctions, sabotage, targeted assassinations, and airstrikes launched from thousands of kilometers away. Israel doesn’t need to march into Iran with soldiers when it can cripple nuclear facilities with precision drones or eliminate scientists with covert operations. The U.S. can destroy radar systems, disable infrastructure, or crash economies without ever stepping foot inside enemy territory.

Then you will agree with my thoughts about this whole mess.....

Iran’s biggest mistake was signing the 1970 Nuclear Deal (NPT). What they should’ve done is what Israel did: stay out of the treaty, build nukes in secret, and let the world pretend not to notice. The U.S. turned a blind eye while Israel quietly armed itself, yet another failed "policy"-this time with Nixon at the helm . Meanwhile, North Korea walked out of the NPT, built warheads, and guaranteed its survival — because let’s be honest, if Pyongyang didn’t have nukes, the U.S. would’ve invaded years ago. In this world, it’s not legality or diplomacy that brings peace — it’s the threat of total destruction.

Heres what you are not going to agree with....

Ukraineinherited the world’s third-largest nuclear arsenal after the Soviet Union collapsed — and gave it up in 1994 under the Budapest Memorandum, in exchange for security guarantees from countries like the U.S., the UK, and Russia. Two decades later, and, ironically, it was Russia that invaded. Ukraine gave up its deterrent — and paid the price.

Now Pakistan is making noises about helping Iran if need be- the heat is being turned up in Islamabad. What do Israel do if Pakistan start hosting more terrorists? Considering Pakistans nuclear warheads stockpile im going to have a guess and say not much. Your thoughts Paddo?

[Random Rooster]

lol at your tiny brain

Sorry about too many words in my last post. I know you have limitations and prefer simpler, feel-good posts.

This is for you champ! Enjoy

[Paddo Colt 61]

Now is the time to begin to get things straight on the way we look at the current goings on in the Middle East.

Do we continue to swallow msm US/Israel propaganda? In making up your mind things that are never mentioned in our manipulative msm are most important re where the main problem lies.

* Israel's nuclear capability is illegal and as such, is not subject to International controls and regulations - Israel is, if the thought hasn't occurred to you before after watching Genocide live in Gaza, a truly rogue state with Greater Israel ambitions..

* The US has, since the 1960s, managed to sideline the UN as a world body to settle disputes. It did so because the Global South contingent in the UN was beginning to hamper US ambitions of the "Exceptionalist" kind after being almost totally compliant in the post War years. The UN provided fora for nations like Israel to protest the behaviour of neighbours on issues like nuclear development but instead the West has eschewed those fora.

* There is no hard evidence that Iran is building a nuclear capability beyond Israeli assertions which the West sanctimoniously runs with after facilitating Israel's illegal possession of Nukes. In fact US officials have denied the proposition.

* We, the Sheeple, are instead subjected to the usual US lies, distortions and demonisations re Iran. Time to shrug off the apathy and get educated people. The appended article should help.

* https://johnmenadue.com/post/2025/06...ttack-on-iran/