Soward for Pearce

[Guest]

It's amazing the see that RC has repeatedly said that this thread was NOT about SOO but about Pearce's OVERALL form this year, yet people keep quoting ratings and comments from last night's game!!!!!!

I'll jump in with my two cents' worth since every Tom Dick and harry has had a go.

I'll start by declaring that I have been a fan of Soward since his Flegg days, and was very peeved off when Stuart dropped him after a very promising start in '06 for his lovechild (Finch). Soward had 2 MOTM and a 2nd best on the ground in the 1st 5 games of the season, and that preek of a coach dropped him.

I have read post after post over the last 4 years telling us what a talent Pearce is, and that once fully developed he will surpass the likes of Joey, Langer, Sterling and Mortimer. Well I am still waiting to see that "talent". He has put in some sporadic good performances, the odd sensational game or two, but has NEVER taken a game by the scruff of the neck and dragged his team from near defeat to victory.

Last year he had a freak of a talent, who had a freak of a season, which let Pearce have a reasonably good season with less than the normal pressure heaped on him. This year without Carney outside him he has looked clueless, especially in games we had our forwards dominate, and had in excess of 50% possession, yet he and Anasta could come up with ZILCH scoring plays, especially on last tackle options.

Four years is plenty to show if you've got it or not. What pearce has is average at best, and he will NEVER rise to the heights that his fanclub expect him to reach.

From a personal point of view, I'd rather have a player with Soward's talents than someone as presdictable as Pearce in my team.

Watch out for the fan club blitz, you just cannot be saying things like that mate

[melon....]

Watch out for the fan club blitz, you just cannot be saying things like that mate

You know whats funny? Soward isnt a star. but you ignore that and hound Pearce. Soward is a long long way from ever being a champion halfback. As is Pearce. but how about you ctually call it fairly.

Without forwards, Game 1 and game 3, our halves cant o jack. Soward and Pearce proved that with ordinary performances under pressure last night.

Th reality is Soward has shown enough to want any NSW supporter for Carney to hurry up and ****ing snap out of it to regain his rightful place in the Blues 6.

Thats the reality.

[OMR]

You know whats funny? Soward isnt a star. but you ignore that and hound Pearce. Soward is a long long way from ever being a champion halfback. As is Pearce. but how about you ctually call it fairly.

Without forwards, Game 1 and game 3, our halves cant o jack. Soward and Pearce proved that with ordinary performances under pressure last night.

Th reality is Soward has shown enough to want any NSW supporter for Carney to hurry up and ****ing snap out of it to regain his rightful place in the Blues 6.

Thats the reality.

Melon, I can't believe someone with your intelligence and nous would say that! It's NOT about SOO but overall premiership form. How would you assess the two players on "premiership" form.
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[Guest]

This would be one of my first aims. To get an attacking player as good as Soward and get rid of the benign Pearce who offers nothing. Letting go of Soward, one of the biggest mistakes that this club has made.

we already have carney as the half that can't tackle...

[Guest]

You know whats funny? Soward isnt a star. but you ignore that and hound Pearce. Soward is a long long way from ever being a champion halfback. As is Pearce. but how about you ctually call it fairly.

Without forwards, Game 1 and game 3, our halves cant o jack. Soward and Pearce proved that with ordinary performances under pressure last night.

Th reality is Soward has shown enough to want any NSW supporter for Carney to hurry up and ****ing snap out of it to regain his rightful place in the Blues 6.

Thats the reality.

Melon you answered your own question, Of course Soward isnn't a star, like Pearce he is an above average 1st grade footballer, unlike Pearce he is not portrayed to be a superstar, next immortal, best halfback in the world, unlike Soward he is beyond criticism, it is always someones elses fault, unlike Soward the Jnr JNr faithful advise Patience, ask for leniency due to age, experience.
Unlike Pearce when Soward Farks up its his fault, when he wins a grand final, WCC, seals an Origin or kills the Roosters when we play them it is because of someone else.

As i have said all along, on their day they are both above average footballers, no more no less, if they both retured tomorrow i know which bloke would be more satisfied with their career.

[Guest]

Th reality is Soward has shown enough to want any NSW supporter for Carney to hurry up and ****ing snap out of it to regain his rightful place in the Blues 6.

Thats the reality.

As for that statement, Soward at least had competition for his spot, once again Pearce made it on default

[Rocky Rhodes]

Below was the players ratings for the game. Its on the usual suspects that cannot see past there clear love for either Pearce or Soward that debate this shit every week. I saw them as pretty even last night. However over the the 3 games Pearce takes the points.

Jamie Soward Rarely found enough space to put his stamp on the game. 5

Mitchell Pearce A couple of nice passes but struggled to get into the game.5

haha..a telecrap reader...no wonder you can't see the forest from the trees.

Now for a better source rather than the rothfield's
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/l...#ixzz1RO1n1AbB

1 Anthony Minichiello
Never stops trying, but most things he tried seemed to explode in his face. Fumbled a kick and cost his team a try, although he did get one himself. Rating 5

2 Brett Morris
Did his best with very limited chances and was reasonably solid in defence. 6

3 Mark Gasnier
Worked hard in defence, particularly in the first half, and tried valiantly in attack. Was barely a speed bump for Greg Inglis when he scored his second try. 6
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4 Jarryd Hayne
What do you do with Jarryd Hayne? We all know the brilliance he possesses, but on the wing and in the centre this series, we rarely saw it. Maybe fullback is his spot? The few times he really got involved NSW looked dangerous. 6

5 Akuila Uate
Another sound performance. Ran full speed whenever he had the ball in hand and was always quick to snuff out any threat. 7

6 Jamie Soward
Got better as the series went on, and last night he tried to be more involved than in the previous games. Kicking game was good, did his best in defence and had the ball in his hands more often. 7

7 Mitchell Pearce
Was one of NSW's best in game two, but he went missing last night. Did help in Hayne try. 4

8 Tim Mannah
Did lots of work defensively in the early stages when Queensland had all the ball, and never really got a chance in attack. 5

9 Michael Ennis
Worked hard in defence before an injury ended his night. 6

10 Paul Gallen (c)
As usual, stood up and led from the front. Extraordinary effort in defence and finished with 50 tackles. Lost the series but gained so many fans. 8

11 Ben Creagh
Another forced to do a lot of defence early. We didn't really see very much of him in attack. 5

18 Glenn Stewart
Once of the best forwards for NSW. Was Mr Everywhere in defence and tried to give the Blues something in attack. 7

13 Greg Bird
Worked his backside off in defence and offered whatever he could in attack, getting a consolation try in the dying stages. 7

Interchange
14 Kurt Gidley
Filled in well at dummy half for the injured Ennis, looking dangerous around the ruck. 7

15 Anthony Watmough
Took him a while to get into the game, but once he did he created plenty of trouble. 7

16 Luke Lewis
Never lets his coach down. Couldn't do enough to help his team get home last night. 6

20 Keith Galloway
Made his debut but we didn't see too much of him. Better for the run? Maybe next year. 4

See, my 2nd best on the field claim is not so wrong afterall.
1st Gallen 8
2nd Soward 7, Uate 7, Stewart 7, bird 7, Gidley 7, Watmough 7..

[Guest]

It's amazing the see that RC has repeatedly said that this thread was NOT about SOO but about Pearce's OVERALL form this year, yet people keep quoting ratings and comments from last night's game!!!!!!

I'll jump in with my two cents' worth since every Tom Dick and harry has had a go.

I'll start by declaring that I have been a fan of Soward since his Flegg days, and was very peeved off when Stuart dropped him after a very promising start in '06 for his lovechild (Finch). Soward had 2 MOTM and a 2nd best on the ground in the 1st 5 games of the season, and that preek of a coach dropped him.

I have read post after post over the last 4 years telling us what a talent Pearce is, and that once fully developed he will surpass the likes of Joey, Langer, Sterling and Mortimer. Well I am still waiting to see that "talent". He has put in some sporadic good performances, the odd sensational game or two, but has NEVER taken a game by the scruff of the neck and dragged his team from near defeat to victory.

Last year he had a freak of a talent, who had a freak of a season, which let Pearce have a reasonably good season with less than the normal pressure heaped on him. This year without Carney outside him he has looked clueless, especially in games we had our forwards dominate, and had in excess of 50% possession, yet he and Anasta could come up with ZILCH scoring plays, especially on last tackle options.

Four years is plenty to show if you've got it or not. What pearce has is average at best, and he will NEVER rise to the heights that his fanclub expect him to reach.

From a personal point of view, I'd rather have a player with Soward's talents than someone as presdictable as Pearce in my team.

Finally a post reiterating exactly what I'm saying. Well done OMR

[Guest]

haha..a telecrap reader...no wonder you can't see the forest from the trees.

Now for a better source rather than the rothfield's
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/l...#ixzz1RO1n1AbB



See, my 2nd best on the field claim is not so wrong afterall.
1st Gallen 8
2nd Soward 7, Uate 7, Stewart 7, bird 7, Gidley 7, Watmough 7..

As I said, the usual suspects Habib! I would have thought 2nd best on the field would have been Slater, Scott, Inglis????

Blinded by the light!

[Rocky Rhodes]

As I said, the usual suspects Habib! I would have thought 2nd best on the field would have been Slater, Scott, Inglis????

Blinded by the light!

The fact that i posted only the NSW teams ratings should have given you are clue princess. Ok..equal second best for NSW, happy now?

But Stick to your telecrap champ, Rothfield will be proud of ya.

[bondi paul]

Anderson let Soward go didn't he?

Another dud coach.

no politis let him go.he has the final say

[Guest]

The fact that i posted only the NSW teams ratings should have given you are clue princess. Ok..equal second best for NSW, happy now?

But Stick to your telecrap champ, Rothfield will be proud of ya.

Its okay Habib. I am happy for Jamie, as you have pointed out, 1 is DT opinion, 1 is SMH! Personally I wouldnt have Jamie in my top 3, nor Pearce. I just find it interesting the same 3 Sowie groupies come out after a mediocre game at best.

Hope you will lift the Burqua when asked by the kind officers!

[Rocky Rhodes]

Its okay Habib. I am happy for Jamie, as you have pointed out, 1 is DT opinion, 1 is SMH! Personally I wouldnt have Jamie in my top 3, nor Pearce. I just find it interesting the same 3 Sowie groupies come out after a mediocre game at best.

Hope you will lift the Burqua when asked by the kind officers!

WTF are you on about you clueless racist twat. This was a football talk yet now you want to make me middle eastern out of it. Maybe because you know jack shit about the game, that's why you want to change the subject.

BTW, i'm not middle eastern (not that there is anything wrong with that). The only fact here is that you are a clueless racist twat.

[stsae]

It's amazing the see that RC has repeatedly said that this thread was NOT about SOO but about Pearce's OVERALL form this year, yet people keep quoting ratings and comments from last night's game!!!!!!

I'll jump in with my two cents' worth since every Tom Dick and harry has had a go.

I'll start by declaring that I have been a fan of Soward since his Flegg days, and was very peeved off when Stuart dropped him after a very promising start in '06 for his lovechild (Finch). Soward had 2 MOTM and a 2nd best on the ground in the 1st 5 games of the season, and that preek of a coach dropped him.

I have read post after post over the last 4 years telling us what a talent Pearce is, and that once fully developed he will surpass the likes of Joey, Langer, Sterling and Mortimer. Well I am still waiting to see that "talent". He has put in some sporadic good performances, the odd sensational game or two, but has NEVER taken a game by the scruff of the neck and dragged his team from near defeat to victory.

Last year he had a freak of a talent, who had a freak of a season, which let Pearce have a reasonably good season with less than the normal pressure heaped on him. This year without Carney outside him he has looked clueless, especially in games we had our forwards dominate, and had in excess of 50% possession, yet he and Anasta could come up with ZILCH scoring plays, especially on last tackle options.

Four years is plenty to show if you've got it or not. What pearce has is average at best, and he will NEVER rise to the heights that his fanclub expect him to reach.

From a personal point of view, I'd rather have a player with Soward's talents than someone as presdictable as Pearce in my team.

Thats a good post OMR.

I recall years ago on Melons old site asking what would Pearce and Soward have gone like playing in the same 1st grade team together. I think after the 3 SOO games they showed enough to make me believe it would work well. One is an organiser and grafter the other is a brilliant broken field attacker and opportunist.

I think Easts fans may think Pearce will be great cos he plays at our club, although I know some who support other teams who love his style of play. I agree with Rusty, hes never gonna be a great player, just a solid 1st grader, a clubman like Horrie was.

I also think most Easts fans dont give a rats about Soward now cos he plays for the Illasoxes. In saying that I know most of us werent happy when he was let go, but hey we are Roosters, we are used to the club making some mind numbing decisions over the years. Maybe its a bit of not wanting to admitt what couldve been???

Anyhow I will say Id rather Soward came home and we let Carnage go. He is brilliant when hes on, Carnage, but the way hes playing at the moment, its just painful to watch. I reckon two 1/2s who are full of passion and offer different skills to the side could only help the club in the future.

[melon....]

Melon, I can't believe someone with your intelligence and nous would say that! It's NOT about SOO but overall premiership form. How would you assess the two players on "premiership" form.
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OK lets talk Premiership form. One plays behind a beaten pack....every week. How do you think that half would go.

Soward plays behind a dominant pack, that always gets the rub of the green. The reigning premiers. Does his form warrant the title of brilliant? No way. He is far from brilliant, and comparing the two is the real unintelligent thing.

"Soward is better than Pearce" - you cant even compare the two. If Soward was at Easts this year, he would have been terrible. Ive alwasy said without a dominant pack, Andrew Johns wouldn't have been "as good".

Remember why Soward was picked for Origin. He was the last option. Another Finch fill in. Even Finch had one dominant Origin game. It means jack.

Todd Carney threw away his opportunity to dominate for a decade. The question you should be asking is will Soward dominate for a decade like the true greats?

I have my doubts.