Payne Haas requests immediate release.

[Kelby]

If what you are suggesting is true then we would never have been able to sign Cronk.

Last year we had a couple million dollars worth of players retire unexpectedly. That was not part of any plan or any spreadsheet. We were able to use some of that money to sign Cheese next year. We don't know where the rest of the money went. For all we know Robbo could be front-loading contracts this year to free up money going forward. It would make sense to do that for someone like JWH who is retiring soon.

Also the talk of Haas chasing a $1m salary is nonsense. He is chasing compensation for prior year underpayment.

You can talk about all the young forwards we have until the cows come home, but it has been big dog JWH who has straightened up our forward pack in recent times. Much the same way Haas did it last night vs Titans. He would be the perfect replacement for JWH and worth every scent of the $800k (not $1m) that he would be asking.

Well said bro.

[King Salvo]

If what you are suggesting is true then we would never have been able to sign Cronk.

Last year we had a couple million dollars worth of players retire unexpectedly. That was not part of any plan or any spreadsheet. We were able to use some of that money to sign Cheese next year. We don't know where the rest of the money went. For all we know Robbo could be front-loading contracts this year to free up money going forward. It would make sense to do that for someone like JWH who is retiring soon.

Also the talk of Haas chasing a $1m salary is nonsense. He is chasing compensation for prior year underpayment.

You can talk about all the young forwards we have until the cows come home, but it has been big dog JWH who has straightened up our forward pack in recent times. Much the same way Haas did it last night vs Titans. He would be the perfect replacement for JWH and worth every scent of the $800k (not $1m) that he would be asking.

Not sure of the payout that Pearce received but one would assume that he would not have been fully paid out for the remainder of that contract only any difference between his Roosters contract and his Newcastle one so a fair bit of money would have been left over to sign Cronk - What was Cronk paid

Friend/Morris twins and Liu were only signed to 2021 and Cords if his retirement was approved would still be paid but that wage wont be included in the cap for 2022 and remainder of that original contract i.e i think 2023 or 2024

The above money would have been used to re-sign players and upgrade contracts for 2022 and beyond for some players. - Ditto for 2023- SST leaving for an example

Brisbane have made it pretty clear they wont be releasing him and the Roosters again have said they are not interested in signing him. - Not sure how much clearer that can be - he wont be coming

[eddie]

Brisbane have made it pretty clear they wont be releasing him and the Roosters again have said they are not interested in signing him. - Not sure how much clearer that can be -

As clear as mud.

[dice]

Not sure of the payout that Pearce received but one would assume that he would not have been fully paid out for the remainder of that contract only any difference between his Roosters contract and his Newcastle one so a fair bit of money would have been left over to sign Cronk - What was Cronk paid

Friend/Morris twins and Liu were only signed to 2021 and Cords if his retirement was approved would still be paid but that wage wont be included in the cap for 2022 and remainder of that original contract i.e i think 2023 or 2024

The above money would have been used to re-sign players and upgrade contracts for 2022 and beyond for some players. - Ditto for 2023- SST leaving for an example

Brisbane have made it pretty clear they wont be releasing him and the Roosters again have said they are not interested in signing him. - Not sure how much clearer that can be - he wont be coming

Cronk signed first and then Pearce asked for a release. Both contracts were registered for the 2018 season. The money was there. They can always mess about with backending contracts for long term Roosters to free up money in the short term. They can also do the opposite and frontend contracts to free up money in future years.

You are making assertions about who would have stayed or gone, what the judge will decide in Haas' court case, etc. You do not know.

[Bondicigar]

If what you are suggesting is true then we would never have been able to sign Cronk.

Last year we had a couple million dollars worth of players retire unexpectedly. That was not part of any plan or any spreadsheet. We were able to use some of that money to sign Cheese next year. We don't know where the rest of the money went. For all we know Robbo could be front-loading contracts this year to free up money going forward. It would make sense to do that for someone like JWH who is retiring soon.

Also the talk of Haas chasing a $1m salary is nonsense. He is chasing compensation for prior year underpayment.

You can talk about all the young forwards we have until the cows come home, but it has been big dog JWH who has straightened up our forward pack in recent times. Much the same way Haas did it last night vs Titans. He would be the perfect replacement for JWH and worth every scent of the $800k (not $1m) that he would be asking.

Agreed
I think compensation from the Broncos is what he wants to stay in Brisbane
Going forward I couldn't see him knocking back 800k if it was 4 Mil over 5 years or something around that.
Imo

[King Salvo]

Cronk signed first and then Pearce asked for a release. Both contracts were registered for the 2018 season. The money was there. They can always mess about with backending contracts for long term Roosters to free up money in the short term. They can also do the opposite and frontend contracts to free up money in future years.

You are making assertions about who would have stayed or gone, what the judge will decide in Haas' court case, etc. You do not know.

Certain that Haas wont be at the Roosters though

[SupermanSupportsEasts4Eva]

Front loaded contracts? Really do teams do that? It sounds so dumb for any club to offer a front-loaded contract.
So you pay a player $800k in years 1 and 2, and then $500k in year 3? What is stopping a player kicking stones and forcing a release at the end of year 2, to go somewhere else for $800k?
Both front-loaded and backended contracts are risky IMO. I vaguely remember Uncle Nick saying we don't do backended deals

[King Salvo]

Front loaded contracts? Really do teams do that? It sounds so dumb for any club to offer a front-loaded contract.
So you pay a player $800k in years 1 and 2, and then $500k in year 3? What is stopping a player kicking stones and forcing a release at the end of year 2, to go somewhere else for $800k?
Both front-loaded and backended contracts are risky IMO. I vaguely remember Uncle Nick saying we don't do backended deals

I have never heard of front ended contracts though - imagine as per below being paid 800k 1st year / 400 k second years and 300k third year - a player puts in only half the effort 2nd year and less again in the 3rd year perhaps?

They usually back end contract - i.e x signs 3 year deal for 1.5 milll - 1sy year 300k / 2nd year 400 k and 3rd year 800 k - throws teams cap out of whack especially when they have a few players on such contracts - Bulldogs under Hasler for an example

I don't think they allow such contracts anymore or at least have greatly restricted them

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/11/14/...ded-contracts/

[Bondicigar]

I have never heard of front ended contracts though - imagine as per below being paid 800k 1st year / 400 k second years and 300k third year - a player puts in only half the effort 2nd year and less again in the 3rd year perhaps?

They usually back end contract - i.e x signs 3 year deal for 1.5 milll - 1sy year 300k / 2nd year 400 k and 3rd year 800 k - throws teams cap out of whack especially when they have a few players on such contracts - Bulldogs under Hasler for an example

I don't think they allow such contracts anymore or at least have greatly restricted them

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/11/14/...ded-contracts/

If money became free it would make sense to upgrade some contracts to reach cap limit.
I could see how this could ease some pressure down the track by paying half of tomorrow's pay today.
maybe?

[dice]

Front loaded contracts? Really do teams do that? It sounds so dumb for any club to offer a front-loaded contract.
So you pay a player $800k in years 1 and 2, and then $500k in year 3? What is stopping a player kicking stones and forcing a release at the end of year 2, to go somewhere else for $800k?
Both front-loaded and backended contracts are risky IMO. I vaguely remember Uncle Nick saying we don't do backended deals

That depends on what you perceive to be the risk. If they paid Teddy more this year to use up some of the retiree cap space, and free up cap space next year. Is Teddy a flight risk? Will he kick stones? Or do we end up with more cap space next year?

[King Salvo]

If money became free it would make sense to upgrade some contracts to reach cap limit.
I could see how this could ease some pressure down the track by paying half of tomorrow's pay today.
maybe?

Front ended or back ended you will end up in the same mess salary cap wise - read the following article why neither option is viable and should never be considered.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/05/17/...ree-years-ceo/

[SupermanSupportsEasts4Eva]

Front ended or back ended you will end up in the same mess salary cap wise - read the following article why neither option is viable and should never be considered.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/05/17/...ree-years-ceo/

Excatly.

[lordteddy]

Front loaded contracts? Really do teams do that? It sounds so dumb for any club to offer a front-loaded contract.
So you pay a player $800k in years 1 and 2, and then $500k in year 3? What is stopping a player kicking stones and forcing a release at the end of year 2, to go somewhere else for $800k?
Both front-loaded and backended contracts are risky IMO. I vaguely remember Uncle Nick saying we don't do backended deals

Dont hold me to this bit im pretty sure contract can be front/back loaded only for cap purposes. The amount the player earns in that year can differ. Within reason of course.

[Bondicigar]

But whats being reported is that he wants 1 million a year & if he doesnt get it he wants out so why would he come to the Roosters for less money?
Its all about money. I dont think he cares where he plays so long as he gets his 1m a season.
The Broncos are also a top team who are definitely on the up so its not like the Chooks are the best side & the Broncos are hopeless.
Dont get me wrong if the Chooks can some how swing it & land his signature for 800k I would be stoked.

Yeah it's more wishful thinking on my part.

[Kelby]

Apparently the main issue is the team plating in finals footy and not money?

Welcome Payne!