SBW's fight to be held less than 3 weeks before start of NRL season

[Kingsgrove-Loiner]

Interesting points there Loiner.
I like Massey's point though, very true
Sonny is not a worker but Ryan was. That was his role in the team, much like the 4 mentioned players. Sonny has always been the impact player, that's his role. He was never going to top the tackle count or do the most hit ups. Tallis never topped any tackle counts or led with the most hit ups.
There are those players that just have that X factor, that ability to turn a game all on there own and he is one of them.
I'm really excited to see him back. If he didn't leave and played his whole career in league, I think we would of been talking about him in the same regard as Slater, Smith and Thurston, being considered by some as the best to ever play in there positions.
Just my opinion

I tend to agree with your last paragraph Rooboy, although I'm far too cynical to be excited by his signing.

My whole issue with this situation is that we're throwing an open chequebook at what's pretty much an unknown quantity.....and we're also bending over for him and letting him dictate terms.

I've never disputed the fact that he was a great player. I hope he still is......and that's my argument....we could have signed someone with undoubted credentials.....it'll end up being a pretty costly exercise if he isn't still up to scratch.

[stsae]

I tend to agree with your last paragraph Rooboy, although I'm far too cynical to be excited by his signing.

My whole issue with this situation is that we're throwing an open chequebook at what's pretty much an unknown quantity.....and we're also bending over for him and letting him dictate terms.

I've never disputed the fact that he was a great player. I hope he still is......and that's my argument....we could have signed someone with undoubted credentials.....it'll end up being a pretty costly exercise if he isn't still up to scratch.

Mate you are the most rational poster on this subject, on either side of the argument. You make some very valid points.

I would just like to say every signing is a risk. Anything can happen. IMO the signings with the biggest risks, the Carnteys and $BWs, offer the greater rewards.

Surely it's preferable to sign a player that has that ability to win a game for his team, over a Gallen style player, who while he is an inspiration to all things moral and just, in all reality doesn't come from a real winning culture??? Look at Gallens record at club and state level, it ain't that good. He's a great clubman, but he needs match winners like Carntey and Smiff showed this season, to have real success.

$BW has proven everywhere he goes he wins. And he has often been the go to man. The player to turn a game. The inspiration behind the result. That's something he seems to be getting better at, most probably due to experience and maturity.

IMO it's exactly what our squad lacks, genuine match winners/game breakers. There are no others on the market for 2013 that I can see.

Risk sure. But so is any signing, that's the way it goes.

[Guest]

I tend to agree with your last paragraph Rooboy, although I'm far too cynical to be excited by his signing.

My whole issue with this situation is that we're throwing an open chequebook at what's pretty much an unknown quantity.....and we're also bending over for him and letting him dictate terms.

I've never disputed the fact that he was a great player. I hope he still is......and that's my argument....we could have signed someone with undoubted credentials.....it'll end up being a pretty costly exercise if he isn't still up to scratch.

I do agree with you on your opinion on throwing open the cheque book and bending over backwards for him, that I don't like, but like I said, so pumped to see him run riot next year for us. I think he will be massive for us next year

[Cockadoodledoo]

I would like to see SBW's stats as I clearly recall his hitup numbers and metres gained were prolific. Just viewed stats from 4 random games in 2007 and SBW's stats in terms of hitups and metres dwarfed Andrew Ryan's and his tackle numbers were on par. He also left Ryan for dead on offloads, line breaks, line break assists. So any claim that he had a low work rate is complete fiction.

[Guest]

Be told will ya, SC knows more than you. You agree with Lemon Goat.

No conviction you dumb arse, I have told you that before.

lol... you aint that smart. You aint that smart. You aint that smart. No conviction but you still did it. You aint that smart!

[Guest]

I did say thrown, which implies that i was talking about a year or two gone by. Saying that, he might be past his best, but so might Money Bill.....the point I as making was - I'd rather pay that sort of money for a tried and tested player who's been there and done that recently. One who gives everything for his team. A bloke who leads from the front. One who turns up for pre season training. One who has focus for the job in hand.

When Money Bill walked out the Dogs, Ron Massey was interviewed on Ch9 about the whole situation. He said (cant remember it word for word) 'I'll tell you something - he's not as big a loss as everyone is making out. I can name 4 blokes off the top of my head, Beaver Menzies, Craig Fitzgibbon, Alan Tongue, Dallas Johnson......If Sonny Bill is worth half a million, them 4 blokes are worth a million'. You could probably add Gallen to that list over the last few years.

If you ever saw Sonny Bill's stats while he was at the Dogs, they didn't make great reading.....Andrew Ryan used to do all the tacking for him, and half his hit ups. He (Williams) got the reviews because he did the eye catching stuff, the shoulder charges, the one handed offlods etc. One of my mates is a Dogs member - he rates him as a luxury item and wouldn't have him back there at any price. He was never one for doing the hard stuff.

How everyone sees him as the saviour of our club is absolutely beyond me, the Dogs were at the bottom of the ladder when he bailed out. What's that saying about when the going gets tough?

Game set and match on every point. Well said Loiner.

[SConcierge]

Cant agree. Im sorry.

Now dont try and be the high and mighty one here. You accused others of speculating and I returned serve. Pretty easy really when someone is being hypocritical.

As for the reasons, there are more than one but if you were serious about tangling, you would have your homework done and know where I stand on the subject. I guess you dont or you wouldnt ask. Maybe your just fishin... I can appreciate that. I love wetting a line!

Love ya work SC!

I accused others of speculating mate BECAUSE THEY WERE, how is that hyper critical when they are trying to pass it as fact?

Ok, Bird and Matt Scott. Bird and Thurston. Farah and Scott. There are plenty of very good players coming off contract in the next 12 months. Very good CURRENT players. Ones who's best days weren't 5 years ago.

I reckon we could have got Gallen if we'd thrown $800k at him.....or Cam Smith....or Inglis, or pretty much anyone. Instead, because of a handshake agreement, we're having to take a punt on this bloke still being some good.

Who is off contract next yr for 2014 has nothing to do with signing SBW on a 1 year contract to play in 2013. How do you know we didnt try and sign Smith lol

I did say thrown, which implies that i was talking about a year or two gone by. Saying that, he might be past his best, but so might Money Bill.....the point I as making was - I'd rather pay that sort of money for a tried and tested player who's been there and done that recently. One who gives everything for his team. A bloke who leads from the front. One who turns up for pre season training. One who has focus for the job in hand.

When Money Bill walked out the Dogs, Ron Massey was interviewed on Ch9 about the whole situation. He said (cant remember it word for word) 'I'll tell you something - he's not as big a loss as everyone is making out. I can name 4 blokes off the top of my head, Beaver Menzies, Craig Fitzgibbon, Alan Tongue, Dallas Johnson......If Sonny Bill is worth half a million, them 4 blokes are worth a million'. You could probably add Gallen to that list over the last few years.

If you ever saw Sonny Bill's stats while he was at the Dogs, they didn't make great reading.....Andrew Ryan used to do all the tacking for him, and half his hit ups. He (Williams) got the reviews because he did the eye catching stuff, the shoulder charges, the one handed offlods etc. One of my mates is a Dogs member - he rates him as a luxury item and wouldn't have him back there at any price. He was never one for doing the hard stuff.

How everyone sees him as the saviour of our club is absolutely beyond me, the Dogs were at the bottom of the ladder when he bailed out. What's that saying about when the going gets tough?

SBW isnt tried and tested gee OK
Allan Tongue cant tie SBW shoe laces
Like to see that stats comparison
I dont think ppl see him as a saviour they see him as making a big difference
Tell your mate he is full is sheet lol

I tend to agree with your last paragraph Rooboy, although I'm far too cynical to be excited by his signing.

My whole issue with this situation is that we're throwing an open chequebook at what's pretty much an unknown quantity.....and we're also bending over for him and letting him dictate terms.

I've never disputed the fact that he was a great player. I hope he still is......and that's my argument....we could have signed someone with undoubted credentials.....it'll end up being a pretty costly exercise if he isn't still up to scratch.

Unknown thats laughable, as for dictating terms your speculating once AGAIN!!! I dont know for a fact but it makes MORE sense to me that we agreed to this to keep the cost of the signing down. Again who is this man we could have signed that has undoubted credentials?

I would like to see SBW's stats as I clearly recall his hitup numbers and metres gained were prolific. Just viewed stats from 4 random games in 2007 and SBW's stats in terms of hitups and metres dwarfed Andrew Ryan's and his tackle numbers were on par. He also left Ryan for dead on offloads, line breaks, line break assists. So any claim that he had a low work rate is complete fiction.

Thank YOU

Game set and match on every point. Well said Loiner.

pfffffffffffffffffffffffft stick to your day job or retirement you dont make a good ref mate

[Guest]

I accused others of speculating mate BECAUSE THEY WERE, how is that hyper critical when they are trying to pass it as fact?



Who is off contract next yr for 2014 has nothing to do with signing SBW on a 1 year contract to play in 2013. How do you know we didnt try and sign Smith lol



SBW isnt tried and tested gee OK
Allan Tongue cant tie SBW shoe laces
Like to see that stats comparison
I dont think ppl see him as a saviour they see him as making a big difference
Tell your mate he is full is sheet lol




Unknown thats laughable, as for dictating terms your speculating once AGAIN!!! I dont know for a fact but it makes MORE sense to me that we agreed to this to keep the cost of the signing down. Again who is this man we could have signed that has undoubted credentials?



Thank YOU



pfffffffffffffffffffffffft stick to your day job or retirement you dont make a good ref mate

The Loiner has stated his case and it makes sense even to the SBWalkout supporters. He makes clear sense and even backed up some his arguments with solid facts. Speculate all you like. You cant argue his case.

The term 'game, set and match' refers to a tennis game being over. Its not called by a 'ref' but by an 'umpire'. Dont you know ahything?

SConcierge=SBWalkouts biggest fan! I hope you prove us all wrong next season sunshine and I also hope you dont get too upset if the whole debarcle backfires on us. Ive seen your sort of fanatic/groupies lose it completely when you hero fails to deliver. I am going to pray for you.

[Guest]

There is valid points on both sides of the argument with SBW.

But at the end of the day it doesnt matter what anyone thinks the Roosters are on a mission for his services & unless he gets a major injury he will be lining up for us.

I cant see his past being an issue for the Roosters. IMO there will be no SBW walkout whilst he is at the Roosters.

My main concern with him is the expectations that will be placed on him. I think alot of people expect him in Rd 1 to perform for 80 minutes like they see him on the highlight reels & to be MOTM. It wont happen.

I remember my Dad & I watching the Roosters play Wests out at Campbelltown years ago, it was Freddys 1st year at the Roosters & I am being honest he did nothing that game, it was like watching Anasta play when he ran 1 metre & did 4 tackles in 80 minutes.
Watching Freddy that day & a few of his 1st games for our club were very ordinary.

So my point is, not to place to high expectations on SBW.

[Guest]

There is valid points on both sides of the argument with SBW.

But at the end of the day it doesnt matter what anyone thinks the Roosters are on a mission for his services & unless he gets a major injury he will be lining up for us.

I cant see his past being an issue for the Roosters. IMO there will be no SBW walkout whilst he is at the Roosters.

My main concern with him is the expectations that will be placed on him. I think alot of people expect him in Rd 1 to perform for 80 minutes like they see him on the highlight reels & to be MOTM. It wont happen.

I remember my Dad & I watching the Roosters play Wests out at Campbelltown years ago, it was Freddys 1st year at the Roosters & I am being honest he did nothing that game, it was like watching Anasta play when he ran 1 metre & did 4 tackles in 80 minutes.
Watching Freddy that day & a few of his 1st games for our club were very ordinary.

So my point is, not to place to high expectations on SBW.

I like it Mickey. Valid contribution. One of my main worries is also with the highlighted part. With the money (speculated for SCs sake) this guy will be on, we will need him to perform from round one. I have said all along that I dont believe he will see even 3 quaters of the season in the side and that is a huge problem if it actually happens. The SBWalkout lovers seem to be of the opinion that he is such a 'supreme athlete', so really, he should be at his best and fire from the very kickoff. After all, the game apparently has not changed, he is the killer athlete and he was apparently the best in the game 5 years ago so there should be zero excuses come game time in round one.

[Cockadoodledoo]

The Loiner has stated his case

One of his major claims being he has a low work rate and that Andrew Ryan did his work for him which is not the case. Here is a stats comparison to Andrew Ryan in 2007 by game.

Round 25

SBW 74 minutes, 20 tackles, 8 one on one tackles, 15 hitups, 117 metres
Ryan 80 minutes, 24 tackles, 1 one on one tackles, 8 hitups, 64 metres

Round 24

SBW 74 minutes, 25 tackles, 1 one on one tackles, 17 hitups, 176 metres
Ryan 62 minutes, 26 tackles, 2 one on one tackles, 10 hitups, 92 metres

Round 23

SBW 69 minutes, 26 tackles, 2 one on one tackles, 13 hitups, 132 metres
Ryan 80 minutes, 33 tackles, 1 one on one tackles, 12 hitups, 93 metres

Round 22

SBW 59 minutes, 21 tackles, 5 one on one tackles, 17 hitups, 131 metres
Ryan 61 minutes, 11 tackles, 2 one on one tackles, 11 hitups, 82 metres

Round 21

SBW 71 minutes, 11 tackles, 1 one on one tackles, 15 hitups, 126 metres
Ryan 80 minutes, 36 tackles, 2 one on one tackles, 10 hitups, 66 metres

Round 20

SBW 64 minutes, 23 tackles, 0 one on one tackles, 19 hitups, 164 metres
Ryan 80 minutes, 28 tackles, 2 one on one tackles, 9 hitups, 80 metres

Round 19

SBW 70 minutes, 21 tackles, 2 one on one tackles, 17 hitups, 134 metres
Ryan 80 minutes, 39 tackles, 2 one on one tackles, 13 hitups, 97 metres

Round 18

SBW DNP
Ryan 80 minutes, 27 tackles, 2 one on one tackles, 16 hitups, 137 metres

Round 17

SBW 70 minutes, 34 tackles, 4 one on one tackles, 17 hitups, 124 metres
Ryan 80 minutes, 27 tackles, 2 one on one tackles, 12 hitups, 88 metres


Round 16

SBW 75 minutes, 23 tackles, 3 one on one tackles, 18 hitups, 151 metres
Ryan DNP

Round 15

SBW 70 minutes, 32 tackles, 10 one on one tackles, 16 hitups, 119 metres
Ryan 72 minutes, 24 tackles, 1 one on one tackles, 11 hitups, 72 metres

to be continued

[SConcierge]

The Loiner has stated his case and it makes sense even to the SBWalkout supporters. He makes clear sense and even backed up some his arguments with solid facts. Speculate all you like. You cant argue his case.

The term 'game, set and match' refers to a tennis game being over. Its not called by a 'ref' but by an 'umpire'. Dont you know ahything?

SConcierge=SBWalkouts biggest fan! I hope you prove us all wrong next season sunshine and I also hope you dont get too upset if the whole debarcle backfires on us. Ive seen your sort of fanatic/groupies lose it completely when you hero fails to deliver. I am going to pray for you.

There seems to be a massive comprehension problem here and I feel the problem appears to lay with you. Now there has been a large amount of posts on the subject. You claim "facts" have been provided and apart from him walking out on the dogs I have failed to see these facts.
Can you please provide 3 solid facts that have been posted, it should be a simple exercise

Once again you fail to understand who is doing the speculating, try reading a little slower. As much as I like you I cant keep spoon feeding you, I am trying to finish building my pizza oven.

I also wish to appologise for calling an umpire a ref I do hope it did not cause you too much confusion. In future I will be far more petty.

[SConcierge]

which was not based on any fact.. One of his major claims being he has a low work rate and that andrew ryan did his work for him which was complete and utter bullshit and removes any credibility this clown has to zero. Here is a stats comparison to andrew ryan in 2007 by game.

To be continued

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[Cockadoodledoo]

Round 14

SBW 80 minutes, 23 tackles, 0 one on one tackles, 18 hitups, 131 metres
Ryan 53 minutes, 45 tackles, 1 one on one tackles, 7 hitups, 51 metres

Round 13

Bye

Round 12

SBW 80 minutes, 31 tackles, 2 one on one tackles, 17 hitups, 142 metres
Ryan 80 minutes,33 tackles, 1 one on one tackles, 13 hitups, 122 metres

Round 11

SBW 58 minutes, 24 tackles, 4 one on one tackles, 14 hitups, 108 metres
Ryan 80 minutes, 33 tackles, 5 one on one tackles, 14 hitups, 125 metres

Round 10

SBW 80 minutes, 30 tackles, 2 one on one tackles, 21 hitups, 170 metres
Ryan DNP

Round 9

SBW 80 minutes, 23 tackles, 1 one on one tackles, 13 hitups, 94 metres
Ryan 80 minutes, 43 tackles, 2 one on one tackles, 9 hitups, 69 metres

Round 8

Bye

Round 7

SBW 57 minutes, 19 tackles, 5 one on one tackles, 15 hitups, 138 metres
Ryan 62 minutes, 28 tackles, 1 one on one tackles, 10 hitups, 61 metres

Round 6

SBW DNP
Ryan 80 minutes, 41 tackles, 2 one on one tackles, 15 hitups, 134 metres

Round 5

SBW 68 minutes, 21 tackles, 4 one on one tackles, 18 hitups, 156 metres
Ryan 80 minutes, 38 tackles, 2 one on one tackles, 11 hitups, 96 metres

Round 4

SBW 59 minutes, 22 tackles, 3 one on one tackles, 16 hitups, 113 metres
Ryan 64 minutes, 20 tackles, 2 one on one tackles, 12 hitups, 99 metres

Round 3

SBW DNP
Ryan 80 minutes, 28 tackles, 3 one on one tackles, 12 hitups, 102 metres

Round 2

SBW DNP
Ryan 80 minutes, 36 tackles, 3 one on one tackles, 12 hitups,118 metres


Round 1

SBW DNP
Ryan 80 minutes, 25 tackles, 2 one on one tackles, 8 hitups, 95 metres

[Guest]

I like it Mickey. Valid contribution. One of my main worries is also with the highlighted part. With the money (speculated for SCs sake) this guy will be on, we will need him to perform from round one. I have said all along that I dont believe he will see even 3 quaters of the season in the side and that is a huge problem if it actually happens. The SBWalkout lovers seem to be of the opinion that he is such a 'supreme athlete', so really, he should be at his best and fire from the very kickoff. After all, the game apparently has not changed, he is the killer athlete and he was apparently the best in the game 5 years ago so there should be zero excuses come game time in round one.

So where will you be sitting?