The Coming Federal Election.

[Paddo Colt 61]

That's been the Libs' theme song forever - "bludger public servants". It's part of Private Enterprises' small government wet dream - you know, no regulation of the individual rampant but, for the rest of us, regulation protects from all sorts of exploitation. Imagine the situation without Whitlam's Trade Practices Act? No wonder our power elite engineered a coup, tax reform was also on the agenda.

What you're relating is what I was pointing out, that there are mugs aplenty who thoughtlessly align themselves with that Tory bullshit regardless of the effect on them. The ordinary average dill's reflex opinion is that public servants are bludgers as are folks on welfare. The Greens are suss big time and Australia is threatened by China and it has all come from our media. Lies constantly peddled by rich white man's media and the stupid lumpen bastards are always ready to fight in their wars.

[mightyrooster]

That's been the Libs' theme song forever - "bludger public servants". It's part of Private Enterprises' small government wet dream - you know, no regulation of the individual rampant but, for the rest of us, regulation protects from all sorts of exploitation. Imagine the situation without Whitlam's Trade Practices Act? No wonder our power elite engineered a coup, tax reform was also on the agenda.

What you're relating is what I was pointing out, that there are mugs aplenty who thoughtlessly align themselves with that Tory bullshit regardless of the effect on them. The ordinary average dill's reflex opinion is that public servants are bludgers as are folks on welfare. The Greens are suss big time and Australia is threatened by China and it has all come from our media. Lies constantly peddled by rich white man's media and the stupid lumpen bastards are always ready to fight in their wars.

Yes and I brought it up to show you that I’m aware of stereotyping through the media. So when I disagree with you it’s not necessarily because I’ve been brainwashed (I’m not perfect though and am susceptible to it), but because I just happen to disagree with you. Stereotyping does work both ways too.

[Big Dog]

there's a lot to unpack there, dog.
i'm not a scientist but it seems like pretty much all scientists, the people who have spent their lives studying these things, agree that human induced climate change is real.
the world is transitioning away from carbon based energy so it's also an economic decision for us to get on board. no doubt the devil is in the detail, but saying that climate change isn't real doesn't sound right.
labor won't be a party to eradicate an australia day. there will always be an australia day. the date might change but so what? personally i'm ambivalent about changing the date, but if there's support for changing it then i'd be on board.
labor be a party to eradicate anzac day? do you really believe that? that's just nutty.

I never said that climate change isn't real. Any geologist worth their salt will tell you it's been happening since the dawn of time. The facts simply don't add up, unless of course there's a dollar to be made by the renewable charlatans, for human influence on the climate.

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[King Salvo]

Yes and I brought it up to show you that I’m aware of stereotyping through the media. So when I disagree with you it’s not necessarily because I’ve been brainwashed (I’m not perfect though and am susceptible to it), but because I just happen to disagree with you. Stereotyping does work both ways too.

mmm Libo Paddo an ex teacher who had 12 weeks annual leave each year and pupil free days and a retirement sponsored by a very generous super scheme - gees who else has such working conditions though. And Chalkies still complain

[mightyrooster]

That's been the Libs' theme song forever - "bludger public servants". It's part of Private Enterprises' small government wet dream - you know, no regulation of the individual rampant but, for the rest of us, regulation protects from all sorts of exploitation. Imagine the situation without Whitlam's Trade Practices Act? No wonder our power elite engineered a coup, tax reform was also on the agenda.

What you're relating is what I was pointing out, that there are mugs aplenty who thoughtlessly align themselves with that Tory bullshit regardless of the effect on them. The ordinary average dill's reflex opinion is that public servants are bludgers as are folks on welfare. The Greens are suss big time and Australia is threatened by China and it has all come from our media. Lies constantly peddled by rich white man's media and the stupid lumpen bastards are always ready to fight in their wars.

Also, to your other post. Yes, politics is changing in Australia. Women in general are getting fed up with the two main parties and millennials and Gen Zs even more so. I have two Gen Zers. They use social media for their news and they are moving away from the traditional big two. They don’t have the same loyalty as us old fogeys.

[ism22]

No matter who wins the election life in Australia for me will remain good.
Australia is still the lucky country & Ive been lucky enough to be be born here & live my whole life here.
Im just so thankful.

Agreed. I think many people forget just how little Australian politics interferes with our lives (and it's designed to be like that).

We enjoy stable financial systems, extremely high GDP per capita and terrific educational/social/health services. IMO these are all so good that we can often forget just how good we've got it.

Politics isn't about doling out free housing to people or intervening with markets so that only people who are bootlicking the government of the day get a fair go trying to hold jobs.

I have consistently argued that our system provides better protections than the USA where judges are elected (Elon was handing out $1m cheques for people who voted for known conservative judges... like WTF!!!), their president can't get arrested while in office (or sacked really... impeachment rarely goes anywhere), final Supreme Court decisions (e.g. for abortion) can get overturned if a president stacks the Supreme Court with right-wingers then calls for a review of a previous decision and you're never gonna get something like medicare over the line because it's 'communism'. IMO those who think the USA is more 'free' because they have a revolutionary style constitution and a bill of rights are wrong.

The fact our constitution was agreed on by all and happened evolutionary rather than as a fark you to England should not be under-rated IMO.

We're not a dictatorship like Russia / North Korea. Some people really don't have the ability to oppose the government otherwise they'll either be killed or sent to a prison where the temperature's minus something all year 'round and people tend to have 'accidents'. Also candidates are far less polarising /privileged than places like the USA where only billionaires can apply for the presidential race.

We don't realise how lucky we are...

[King Salvo]

I never said that climate change isn't real. Any geologist worth their salt will tell you it's been happening since the dawn of time. The facts simply don't add up, unless of course there's a dollar to be made by the renewable charlatans, for human influence on the climate.

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Of course desert areas nowadays were never like this - Evidence suggests that these areas were was once lush and green, with rivers, lakes, and grasslands and changed over time well before humans existed.

So how did they change - mmm climate change - been a number of ice ages , droughts and floods as well -were these caused by humans - of course not.

Didn't load a bunch of animals in an ark back in BC because of a flood?

[caz]

I never said that climate change isn't real. Any geologist worth their salt will tell you it's been happening since the dawn of time. The facts simply don't add up, unless of course there's a dollar to be made by the renewable charlatans, for human influence on the climate.

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no worries

[ism22]

> Opposition Leader Peter Dutton failed to declare for two years his interest in a family trust that operated lucrative childcare businesses when he was a cabinet minister, a Four Corners investigation has found.

> Documents obtained by Four Corners and ABC Investigations show that while Mr Dutton's register of interests disclosed his wife Kirilly's interests in childcare operations at the time, he did not declare between 2014 and 2016 that he was a beneficiary of the RHT Family Trust that owned the businesses, as required by parliamentary rules.

More corruption from Dutton, noting that this trust fund benefited greatly from government funding.

Why is it always the guys who put on a hard@rse persona for the cameras who are corrupt buggers?

[Paddo Colt 61]

MR: They don't think like you old fogies because most of the OFs have been, and still are, devotees of the msm. That's not to infer that on line young people are hip, deep down they're much the same as as the OFs, just waiting to slow down, have kids and park their fast dumb arses in front of mainstream TV. Nobody who watches MAFS, Farmer, Dancing, Survivor is ever gonna have any political awareness. Behold the coming Lumpen proletariat.

Izzy: Our Constitution wasn't "agreed to by all", only property owners were permitted to vote on its acceptance. As usual, those excluded - the majority - didn't seem to care much at the time and were happy to march off 14 yeas later as volunteers to fight for their "freedom". Yep msm was just as influential back then. Of course the media promotes us all that shit, most are not capable of thinking through such nonsense.

[Random Rooster]

Of course dessert areas nowadays were never like this - Evidence suggests that these areas were was once lush and green, with rivers, lakes, and grasslands and changed over time well before humans existed.

So how did they change - mmm climate change - been a number of of ice ages , droughts and floods as well -were these caused by humans - of course not.

You're right that these changes happened over millions of years. But what 97% of scientists today agree on is that the speed of change over the last 30 years isn’t just random weather—it’s happening way too fast to be natural, and they believe the science clearly links it to human activity.

Before we dive into a debate about whether climate change is linked to humans, I'll be honest — I really don’t know. I’m not a scientist, and I’m not in a position to judge whether what they’re presenting is credible or not. When it comes to climate science, I’m out of my league.

However I do believe in clean energy — solar, wind, hydro, biomass, tidal, geothermal — all of it. It's the right direction. Polluting the planet goes against nature itself, and sooner or later, that’s going to come back on us. I couldn’t care less about the fat cats or the coal industry pushing their bullshit just to protect their profits.

[caz]

You're right that these changes happened over millions of years. But what 97% of scientists today agree on is that the speed of change over the last 30 years isn’t just random weather—it’s happening way too fast to be natural, and they believe the science clearly links it to human activity.

Before we dive into a debate about whether climate change is linked to humans, I'll be honest — I really don’t know. I’m not a scientist, and I’m not in a position to judge whether what they’re presenting is credible or not. When it comes to climate science, I’m out of my league.

However I do believe in clean energy — solar, wind, hydro, biomass, tidal, geothermal — all of it. It's the right direction. Polluting the planet goes against nature itself, and sooner or later, that’s going to come back on us. I couldn’t care less about the fat cats or the coal industry pushing their bullshit just to protect their profits.

fair points but ks's point seems to be something like - 'climate change happened before human beings, therefore human beings can't have an effect on the climate'

[ism22]

fair points but ks's point seems to be something like - 'climate change happened before human beings, therefore human beings can't have an effect on the climate'

I'm happy for smooth brains to deny basic science about the greenhouse effect & enhanced greenhouse effect. Noting, it's 100% undisputed that the ozone layer protects us from the sun and releasing huge amounts of greenhouse gases (e.g. CFCs, CO2, methane...etc) breaks down the ozone, increasing our exposure to the sun's rays. This science is factual and well established. The only people denying it are right-wing politicians and related commentators who do so purely because they hate left-wing environmentalists and are like 'well what's the opposite of them? Oh duh I know... we could just deny that the natural environment even exists, ay!'

Smooth brains have a place in society. However when their policy is to expose Australia to a $5.2 trillion dollar debt in an attempt to replace viable renewable energy businesses (which are all privately funded & commercially driven) with state-funded nuclear plants... then WTF?!?

As an Australian I do not stand for a poorly developed, overly cynical policy that views viable renewable energy projects as some sorta enemy and commits Australia to a debt of more than 10x our country's annual budget to pursue this agenda.

We're a democracy - smooth brains who deny basic science are allowed to share their opinions. However, I don't think Dutton even represents valid conservative voters on this one. It's a cynical cash splash using money we don't have to kill a viable, blooming industry for... what purpose? Purely because the most incompetent opposition leader since Mark Latham failed to come up with a bold policy of his own.

After years spent divisively trumpeting lines like 'VOTE NO TO THE VOICE OF DIVISION', I think it's clear who the REAL 'voice of division' belongs to. Dare I say that once he loses his seat and is sacked by the Liberal Party, he'll probably bunker down with Mark Latham and Australia's very own orange coloured clown where they can talk about smooth brain topics like how immigrants, renewable energy, universal healthcare and disability pensions are destroying Australia. Glad I'm not one of these dullards!

[Random Rooster]

fair points but ks's point seems to be something like - 'climate change happened before human beings, therefore human beings can't have an effect on the climate'

Sure, and i am not dismissing his point. I dont know what is right or wrong....and i dont think anyone knows. However I can see no reason to not to move towards cleaner energy.

Getting back to the imminent election; I'm really not impressed by either candidate and its not hard to see why so many Australians are moving away from the big 2.

Anyone else feel the same?

I believe this years election should be Labors Tanya Plibersek vs Liberals Josh Frydenberg- for me they are the most fit to lead Australia- young, smart and always on point

[caz]

Sure, and i am not dismissing his point. I dont know what is right or wrong....and i dont think anyone knows. However I can see no reason to not to move towards cleaner energy.

Getting back to the imminent election; I'm really not impressed by either candidate and its not hard to see why so many Australians are moving away from the big 2.

Anyone else feel the same?

I believe this years election should be Labors Tanya Plibersek vs Liberals Josh Frydenberg- for me they are the most fit to lead Australia- young, smart and always on point

but his point is a bad one lol. no one's disputing that the climate changed before humans, that there are natural forces that change the climate over the years. but it's illogical to then argue that therefore all climate change is natural. seems to me the experts are sure that human induced climate change is a thing.

don't know about plibersek but yeah, aus politics is mediocre. as always democracy is about voting for the least shithouse option