Is my loyalty wrong?

[OMR]

Like I said Jennings has improved his defence over the past couple of seasons. Jamie Lyon (not Lyons, there's only one of him) may have had a quiet game in the Grand Final but DCE got the better of Jennings for Manly's second try. It was hardly a flawless defensive performance, not the greatest example to pick he had far better games in the defence this year. Regardless though Tate is the superior defender, it's not even questionable.

Why shouldn't I base my opinions on past performances and SOO series? Surely being a proven perfomer and having played well at the highest level of rep footy should be major considerations when picking a rep team? That's up there with the most stupid thing I've ever read on this forum, seriously...

Your argument is becoming less logical with every post! Are you telling us that Haynes is a better centre
than Jennings? Or are you telling us that OVERALL his year Tate had been a better ALLROUND performer
than Jennings?
Overall stats will show that Jennings scores more tries than Tate , gains more meters than Tate, had the
same number of try assists as Tate,and averages 1 tackle more per game than Tate!
Now be honest and tell us if YOU were selecting a team to WIN a game of footy who would you pick
in the centers Jennings , Haynes or Tate ?
BTW your highlighting of my misspelling Lyon's name is commendable, my only wish is you go through
The hundreds of posts that carry misspelt names and correct them all as this forum is in need a smartar$e.

[Parkway_Drive]

Your argument is becoming less logical with every post! Are you telling us that Haynes is a better centre
than Jennings? Or are you telling us that OVERALL his year Tate had been a better ALLROUND performer
than Jennings?
Overall stats will show that Jennings scores more tries than Tate , gains more meters than Tate, had the
same number of try assists as Tate,and averages 1 tackle more per game than Tate!
Now be honest and tell us if YOU were selecting a team to WIN a game of footy who would you pick
in the centers Jennings , Haynes or Tate ?
BTW your highlighting of my misspelling Lyon's name is commendable, my only wish is you go through
The hundreds of posts that carry misspelt names and correct them all as this forum is in need a smartar$e.

I'm that smartarse, it is Hayne. If the Eels had two Haynes, they then might win a few more games

[Guest]

Ill put it like this
If you were down at your local and you saw both teams there,.
Who would you likely introduce yourself to ?
Case closed .

What??? If your Australian your Australian. Sure, support them, wish them well etc but just because they're Roosters you don't drop your nation. At the end of the day it doesn't matter it's just a game but to me it's laughable how fanaticism leads to turn from your own.

Should have stopped the thread here.


To even think about barracking for another country makes me sick in the stomach.

Hang your heads in shame....

[stephenj]

its not a war, and surely we dont think of nz as the enemy? its not as if were considering cheering for the pommies, that would be a travesty even if mozz was in the side! were happy to see mini and co do well for italy , were happy to see our island cousins do well for fiji and tonga but were all sick to the stomach of the rusted into plqace very senior kangaroos who wont move over a fraction to allow the next generation their time in the sun, it just happens that the next generation who happen to be roosters are playing sensational footy in the nz side and even when they inevitably beat australia in the final even the most hardline aussie fan who happens to be a roosters fan will surely give a smile and a quiet cheer watching our young guys do their stuff!of course if that was rugby union it would all be different!

[OMR]

I'm that smartarse, it is Hayne. If the Eels had two Haynes, they then might win a few more games

Good pick up , just making sure that every one is awake when reading my posts.��

[davos]

Would a kiwi fan ever barrack for the aussies if the warriors had all aussie players.....no....but they may play for them

I'm staying true blue.

[Parkway_Drive]

Good pick up , just making sure that every one is awake when reading my posts.��

All good bro!The old " I was testing you all" line Good stuff!!

[Tommy Smith]

Im English and will be cheering on the Kiwi Roosters in the semi!!

The Burgess turds can eat one.

[Rooster_6]

Who do you think is the better player atm - Jennings or Tate?

And secondly, do you think the better player should be chosen?

And if not, what justification is there for choosing the lesser player?

To me it's simple, whilst Jennings might still have the odd flaw in his game he is clearly better than Tate as at Nov, 2013. He can scythe through a defensive line and break a game open better than any other centre in the comp. Tate can't do that in his dreams.

And he doesn't make up for it on other areas.

Maybe it's just me but I believe you pick your best fb, two best wingers, two best centres, etc etc. Forget all this incumbency crap - that's how great rep teams die a slow death. Failure to recognise when to make the change.

I can see a Kiwi WC victory coming a mile away. And it's because the young stars like Jennings, Cordner (prior to Lewis injury), and yes even Papalii will get overlooked.

Hayne should be on the wing, Jennings at centre, and Cords/Paps over the injured Lewis/Thaiday. At least Sheens has woken up to selecting DCE.

I think Tate is the better all round player when everything is factored in. I've already said that.

I've never argued incumbency, I've only pointed to the fact that he's proven his ability at the highest level on numerous occasions and as recent as this year.

For what it's worth I think the word incumbency is often mis-used & misunderstood, the loyalty to a player just because he was in a winning side is naive and short-sighted. To be loyal to the players who have been there and performed for you in the past is not, it's what has seen QLD go on to become what will forever be remembered as one of the greatest Rugby League sides ever assembled. Despite every newspaper int he Eastern states saying Price & Civoncieva were too old in 2005 QLD persisted with them & despite every man and his dog saying every year before origin that Nate Myles was out of form and he would flop, QLD persisted. Because every year at origin level these players stood up and performed, QLD didn't pick on form, drop players after one or two bad games and they didn't look care which club was dominating the NRL, they went with what was tried and tested.

NSW on the other hand, well picking on form & the latest club success has seen us end up picking blokes like Jamie Soward, Peter Wallace, Josh Perry, Matt Orford, Steve Turner, Anthony Quinn, Brett White & Ryan Hoffman. Stuart & Daley have brought some stability back to the camp but picking on form gets you no where. I'm certain of it, it couldn't be any more irrelevant in my decision making process of which player I would pick.

[Rooster_6]

Your argument is becoming less logical with every post! Are you telling us that Haynes is a better centre
than Jennings? Or are you telling us that OVERALL his year Tate had been a better ALLROUND performer
than Jennings?
Overall stats will show that Jennings scores more tries than Tate , gains more meters than Tate, had the
same number of try assists as Tate,and averages 1 tackle more per game than Tate!
Now be honest and tell us if YOU were selecting a team to WIN a game of footy who would you pick
in the centers Jennings , Haynes or Tate ?
BTW your highlighting of my misspelling Lyon's name is commendable, my only wish is you go through
The hundreds of posts that carry misspelt names and correct them all as this forum is in need a smartar$e.

No wonder it's seeming illogical for you, I never advocated selecting Hayne in the centres. I suggest you go back and actually read my posts before replying.

[Tommy Smith]

Well you might want to trade Jennings for Tate, but I'm more than happy with Jenko's unrivalled game breaking ability as far as centres go.

Again, we'll agree to disagree!

You can have Papalii & Tate. I'll take Cordner & Jennings.

[Rooster_6]

Well you might want to trade Jennings for Tate, but I'm more than happy with Jenko's unrivalled game breaking ability as far as centres go.

Again, we'll agree to disagree!

You can have Papalii & Tate. I'll take Cordner & Jennings.

Unrivaled? Jamie Lyon, Greg Inglis, Blake Ferguson, Justin Hodges... for starters.

[Guest]

Simple solution, who would you rather in red, white and blue, Tate or Jennings?

I know which I'd prefer...

[Rooster_6]

Simple solution, who would you rather in red, white and blue, Tate or Jennings?

I know which I'd prefer...

One's 25 the other 31, I don't think there's any sane person out there who wouldn't chose Jennings.

[Tommy Smith]

And not factoring in age? Who would you have preferred heading into 2013?