Referees

[Guest]

The refs were NOT to blame for yesterday's performance. The refs certainly didn't help but they were not to blame. However, they have certainly cost us in other games this year. The problem I have with the refs is not the penalties they give against us but the ones they don't give us when the opposition transgresses. For instance the Sharks last week. It was astounding that for the first 50 minutes the Sharks were almost the perfect team!

Sharks were down 24-4 yesty and still leading the penalty count 4 or 5 to 0 I think. Just because your ontop in the game doesn't warrant you to be getting penalties. Somthing alot of fans on here seem to think.

[Guest]

Well the score was 28-22 then but Id excuse that in a Souffs are Sharks game. We shouldve blown them off the park. So many injuries and NYC players in the squad and we lose?????? Thei a bad squad even at full strength but with Lewis etc. out and a squad of NYC players beating us has no excuse Smith should go. Why cant the board see that.

What rubbish who were the NYC players?

[mightyrooster]

Should we compare the Ash Graham BOD try a few weeks back when there supposedly was no separation to the Leilua one against Souffs last week? Or the B Smith one for Parra on Saturday night? The Roosters have been copping these sorts of decisions all year where other clubs get BOD and we get a thousand looks to find a way NOT to award the try. Again I am not blaming the refs for the team's predicament this year. The problems go much deeper than that, but Cowboymad could you please get out of the Chookpen and go haunt your own fan forum. I guarantee if the Cowboys were treated by the officials the way the Roosters have this year and others (2010 GF) you would have a completely different POV. Our team is not playing well. We deserve to be where we are on the ladder at the moment but that does not mean we Roosters fans do not have genuine grievances against the referees and officials. So could you kindly please just shut up on this subject and go away.

[Guest]

Maybe the refs can teach the Roosters how to tackle!!

[stephenj]

harrigan is totally into himself, its his way or the highway! he knows no other way? still thinks his pay comes from newscorp!

[Guest]

Not only forward passes

What about Henry taking a ball in the in goal early in the 2nd half trying to get out, being smashed by 3 panthers and having the ball punched out of his hands over the dead ball line and the refs awarding a goal line drop out saying he attempted a pass. All replays show there was no way he attempted a pass but the commentators prattled on an attempted pass that never existed. Of course we conceded the third try of the next set of six.

[Guest]

Would you care to explain to me and provide evidence Of the otehr Brian Smith coached sides that havce been so undisciplined

Ok so here we go Eels starting from the year 2000.

Points conceeded during regular season only.
2000 - 456
2001 - 406
2002 - 498
2003 - 582
2004 - 626
2005 - 456
2006 - 483

Average points conceeded in that time frame is 20.63. Very undisciplined if you aske me.

Knights.
2007 - 708
2008 - 486
2009 - 491

Average points conceeded is 23.40 per game, even worse then his time at parra.

Roosters
2010 - 510
2011 - 500
2012 so far - 458

Average points conceeded is 22.24 points a game.

So over over 11 and 3 quarter seasons being at 3 different teams in that time frame he has managed to have a average of 22.09 points scored against his coached side. Thats an average of 4 tries a game. Great discipline instilled into his sides there.... But no its the refs fault you miss tackles and chuck the towel in when the going gets tough.

[Guest]

Conceding points and giving away penalties are 2 completely different things. Bulldogs have conceded the least points but are first or second in penalties conceded. But please, keep calling us delusional.

[Guest]

Conceding points and giving away penalties are 2 completely different things. Bulldogs have conceded the least points but are first or second in penalties conceded. But please, keep calling us delusional.

Conceeding points is a factor of not being disciplined is it not.....

Ofcourse the dogs would be high up in conceeding penalties, they have a man named Ennis in their team.

Where exactly are you getting the total amount of penalties conceeded stats from i'd like to view it myself.

[TheLoneRooster]

Conceeding points is a factor of not being disciplined is it not.....

Ofcourse the dogs would be high up in conceeding penalties, they have a man named Ennis in their team.

Where exactly are you getting the total amount of penalties conceeded stats from i'd like to view it myself.

You seem a decent chap and I don't mind you being here yet you appear to be missing the point, so I'll spend a moment to try once more to explain. Now, like others on this Roosters supporters forum, I'm not blaming the refs for how poorly the Roosters have played throughout the year (including yesterday) as the Roosters can be and have been their own worst enemies. The reffing problem, only one amongst many problems, is understanding the lack of penalties received, NOT the vast number of penalties conceded that has some of us baffled and not a little frustrated.

[Andrew Walker]

Ok so here we go Eels starting from the year 2000.

Points conceeded during regular season only.
2000 - 456
2001 - 406
2002 - 498
2003 - 582
2004 - 626
2005 - 456
2006 - 483

Average points conceeded in that time frame is 20.63. Very undisciplined if you aske me.

Knights.
2007 - 708
2008 - 486
2009 - 491

Average points conceeded is 23.40 per game, even worse then his time at parra.

Roosters
2010 - 510
2011 - 500
2012 so far - 458

Average points conceeded is 22.24 points a game.

So over over 11 and 3 quarter seasons being at 3 different teams in that time frame he has managed to have a average of 22.09 points scored against his coached side. Thats an average of 4 tries a game. Great discipline instilled into his sides there.... But no its the refs fault you miss tackles and chuck the towel in when the going gets tough.

This is going to be amusing You truly are a fool

Let me start by saying Newcastle were very poor Post Andrew Johns era Smith was on a hidning to nothing taking that gig Any coach was Newcastle were not a noted defensive side when they were going well with Andrew Johns Still poor 3 years

Easts a Grand final 1st year defensively in 2010 They let in over 130 ooints less than the follwoing season So Smith improved them defensively as well as attack This season and last a culmination of poor results and off field problems Along with shambolic refreeing that has been a feature in our matches over the last 5 years

Now we get to the fun bit Which shows your above post sayinmg Smiths sides have always been undisciplined defensively are rubbish I am going to go back to 1998 since the incpetion of the current NRL format 1ST is points scored which you decided to leave out followed by points against
1998 Eels 4th at seasons end 468 - 349 2nd best defense over 26 rounds Knocked out by Melbourne in GF Qualifier in unbelievable circumstances
1999 2nd at seasons end 500- 294 Best defence of any side for the year Knocked out by eventual GF winners Melbourne 19-16
2000 7th at seasons end 476 - 456 2nd best defence for the season Knocked oput by GF Winners Broncos in a narrow loss
2001 Minor Premiers at seasons end 839-406 +433 An NRL record Best defnce in season by over 100 points Next was Broncos 511 Ended up losing the GF
2002 6th at seasons end 531- 440 4th best defence
2003 9th at seasons end 570 - 582 8th best defence
2004 12th 517 - 626 11th in defence 03 and 04 both poor seasons But defnce postion is higher than there finishing position in both years Yet you say His sides are undisciplined defensively But wait there is a little more more
2005 Minor Premiers 704 - 456 Best defence KOD by yor team in GF qualifier
2006 8th 506 - 483 7th best defence

So in 9 season at the helm of Parramatta We have three poor seasons But in each season Defence position is higher than finishing position One season finishing 8th but dfence was 7th A season finishing 6th but with the 4th best defece for the season
A 7TH finish with the 2nd best defence for the season a 4TH finish with the 2nd best defenece for the season A 2ND place finsh with the best defence for the season Finally 2 minor premeirships with tjhe best defence in the comp for both those years

These stats make a complete mockery of you saying Defensively Smiths sides are undisciplined You truly are a clueless fool

[mightyrooster]

This is going to be amusing You truly are a fool

Let me start by saying Newcastle were very poor Post Andrew Johns era Smith was on a hidning to nothing taking that gig Any coach was Newcastle were not a noted defensive side when they were going well with Andrew Johns Still poor 3 years

Easts a Grand final 1st year defensively in 2010 They let in over 130 ooints less than the follwoing season So Smith improved them defensively as well as attack This season and last a culmination of poor results and off field problems Along with shambolic refreeing that has been a feature in our matches over the last 5 years

Now we get to the fun bit Which shows your above post sayinmg Smiths sides have always been undisciplined defensively are rubbish I am going to go back to 1998 since the incpetion of the current NRL format 1ST is points scored which you decided to leave out followed by points against
1998 Eels 4th at seasons end 468 - 349 2nd best defense over 26 rounds Knocked out by Melbourne in GF Qualifier in unbelievable circumstances
1999 2nd at seasons end 500- 294 Best defence of any side for the year Knocked out by eventual GF winners Melbourne 19-16
2000 7th at seasons end 476 - 456 2nd best defence for the season Knocked oput by GF Winners Broncos in a narrow loss
2001 Minor Premiers at seasons end 839-406 +433 An NRL record Best defnce in season by over 100 points Next was Broncos 511 Ended up losing the GF
2002 6th at seasons end 531- 440 4th best defence
2003 9th at seasons end 570 - 582 8th best defence
2004 12th 517 - 626 11th in defence 03 and 04 both poor seasons But defnce postion is higher than there finishing position in both years Yet you say His sides are undisciplined defensively But wait there is a little more more
2005 Minor Premiers 704 - 456 Best defence KOD by yor team in GF qualifier
2006 8th 506 - 483 7th best defence

So in 9 season at the helm of Parramatta We have three poor seasons But in each season Defence position is higher than finishing position One season finishing 8th but dfence was 7th A season finishing 6th but with the 4th best defece for the season
A 7TH finish with the 2nd best defence for the season a 4TH finish with the 2nd best defenece for the season A 2ND place finsh with the best defence for the season Finally 2 minor premeirships with tjhe best defence in the comp for both those years

These stats make a complete mockery of you saying Defensively Smiths sides are undisciplined You truly are a clueless fool

Thanks for that AW.
I knew the figures would in fact be something like that but couldn't be bothered trying to find the stats.
And again the biggest gripes Roosters fans have at the moment AND FOR THE PAST 6 YEARS with the refs are:

1.50/50 and BOD decisions more often than not go against us.
2.We may be the most penalized team but we also RECEIVE the LEAST amount of penalties of any other team.
3.We have only won something like 15 penalty counts in the past FIVE years. I do not have the exact figures but I'm sure I read somewhere it is something abysmal like that.

[Guest]

Thanks for that AW.
I knew the figures would in fact be something like that but couldn't be bothered trying to find the stats.
And again the biggest gripes Roosters fans have at the moment AND FOR THE PAST 6 YEARS with the refs are:

1.50/50 and BOD decisions more often than not go against us.
2.We may be the most penalized team but we also RECEIVE the LEAST amount of penalties of any other team.
3.We have only won something like 15 penalty counts in the past FIVE years. I do not have the exact figures but I'm sure I read somewhere it is something abysmal like that.

and the thing with point 2 is that even if we were so illdisciplined that we always would receive less than we conceed, relative to the penalties received by everyone else, we are way below. considering everyone plays everyone, I find this impossible to be believe. surely everyone would receive vaguely the same amount of penalties or over a few years it would even out but it doesnt.

add the fact that we have had different players, coaches and finished in different places on the ladder. contrast that to souths and cronulla who have consistently run last yet seem to receive more penalties than they concede.

[Guest]

You recieved 9 penalties today against another undisciplined team, so you all focus on the 3 ''forward'' pass calls which happened to every team in every game.

Unfortunately the refs have a different criteria when calling Cameron Smiths forward passes to Mitchell Pearce's "forward" passes!

[melon....]

Exactly, every team gets calls against them they all even themself out over the season and its no coincedence that the top 8 is usually always the best 8 teams during the year. Using the refs as an excuse is the easy way out - exactly what most of you fans criticise the players for doing but are yet doing the exact same thing by turning a blind eye and blaming the refs.

Go watch the Storm v Cowboys game last week and watch some of the calls that dudded the cowboys late in the 2nd half. I know what its like to have a team that packs it in when the going gets tough I have supported the cowboys all my life and up untill the last 18-24 months they had no backbone what so ever apart from when Rauhihi and Campion were at the club together in 04/05. But on that night they had several dud calls against them that went in favour of the storm but they fought hard for one another and came out on top.

The roosters at the moment are a young and rudderless squad at the moment who are continually taking the easy option.

Sorry not even close. Teh referees are sooooo biased towards Easts. Noting evens out at the end. we are dumb in that we lie all over teh ruck and get penalised easily, but we are also targetted unfairly. In te hlast 3 games weve had fair tries diallowed that cost us the game or a chance at it. The "good" teams....like the cows, are heavily favoured. Look at the shit Souffs get away with. **** the refs.