Reality

[bondi.boy]

Israel started attacking Iran twice in less than 12 months and you believe Israel are the good guys?

Yes.
The Islamic Republic of Iran funds/arms declared terrorist groups Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis etc.
Hamas terrorists left Gaza (70% of Gazans support Hamas, reportedly)...and invaded Israel.
They atrocity-tortured to death Jewish women, girls, babies, boys and men.
They then murdered people at the music festival, and took hostages back into Gaza.
They tortured to death many of the hostages, including raping the women.
They starved others until they died.
All detailed on Sky News, and in Josh Frydenberg's documentary 'Never Again'.

Doesn't surprise me that Gaza lies in ruin.
No one to blame but Hamas and Iran.

[rcptn]

While we are on reality (and thanks BB for trying to inject some common-sense to the debate) there is another really important tenet in all of this - probably the key point for our western democracies.

There has been a steady but definite rise in the confluance of Islamic extremism and hard left ideology. Normally you would think they were worlds apart, but they have met at the juncture of the oppressed/oppressor complex. And, incredibly, we now see assumedly normal peace loving people, supporting terror over the victims of terror. Not just on here, but all over social media and on the streets etc. Its a dangerous confluance.

How did we get here? My two bobs worth is that the roots lie in the expansion of the neo-Marxist movement. The long march into institutions, academia, judiciary, politics big business, big tech, media. Starting with our education system we have created a culture of framing everything into the oppressor/oppressed categorization. Always oppose any principles of capitalism or colonisation despite how we all benefit. You are oppressed ....ok?

There becomes a bizaare irony where we have middle class Caucasians railing against the system that affords them a comfortable lifestyle. Will they gladly give up property and wealth to the "oppressed" themselves? Not bloody likely. I think the actual aim of the protesters is not neccesarily to secure a better world, its simply about maintaining a process of resistance and disturbance. Subject matter changes but not the level of angst. You see some of these protesters asked questions about why they are doing this, and are usually clueless about subject matter and what they represent. Professionals.

Why are people on this hard left side of society so vehement and uncompromising in their response to such matters? Psychological studies show that when someones belief system or ideology is threatened, our human response is akin to a threat of death. Sort of explains I guess. Hope this little screed helps.

For people like myself on the Right and many in Trump's base in America it's about the broken promises. He promised to release the Epstein files and then called it a Democratic hoax and then was dragged kicking and screaming by Congress and only released less than half, when all of it was supposed to be released unredacted except for victims names. He promised to end the Russia/Ukraine war and start no new wars. Americans on the right are sick of fighting Israel's battles and losing their sons and daughters in senseless wars and plunging themselves into 30 trillion dollar debt in the process. People are waking up in droves and don't want a bar of it. It's not an anti capitalist thing for those on the right. Trump is actually speedily ushering in AGI which will actually lead to communism in at the most 5 years. Everybody will be on universal basic income or universal basic services. Those at the top WEF don't call it communism they call it STAKEHOLDER CAPITALISM. But only capitalism for those at the very top governments and corporations(they are the stakeholders), not for the rest of us.

I will give Trump credit for stopping DEI and shoring up the border

[rcptn]

[Jacks Fur Coat]

And why is it our brave humanitarians are very selective about who they call out for causing deaths?

It seems almost exclusively only if they can finger Israel or President Trump..

No peep after Oct 7 horrors and subsequent long term torture of hostages;
Crickets for all African atrocities and deaths occuring regularly;
Stony silence after Iran murdered 10s of thousands of their own people.

Puzzling....now if they genuinely cared about ALL human lives wouldn't they....?

[Bates]

Australia is not firing missiles into Israel, nor is Turkey.
Iran fires missiles into Israel, as do its proxies Hezbollah, Hamas and Houthis.
Iran has lost the right to exist in its current form.
Trump is no freak, he's doing what's best for U.S.and its allies.
What do UK and Spain think they're doing denying the U.S. use of their air bases. They're not helping the good guys, they should be.

Did the same person tell you that planet Earth was flat.

Trump is the GOAT when it comes to freaks! lol

Google freak and his image pops straight up.

[Random Rooster]

For people like myself on the Right and many in Trump's base in America it's about the broken promises. He promised to release the Epstein files and then called it a Democratic hoax and then was dragged kicking and screaming by Congress and only released less than half, when all of it was supposed to be released unredacted except for victims names. He promised to end the Russia/Ukraine war and start no new wars. Americans on the right are sick of fighting Israel's battles and losing their sons and daughters in senseless wars and plunging themselves into 30 trillion dollar debt in the process. People are waking up in droves and don't want a bar of it. It's not an anti capitalist thing for those on the right. Trump is actually speedily ushering in AGI which will actually lead to communism in at the most 5 years. Everybody will be on universal basic income or universal basic services. Those at the top WEF don't call it communism they call it STAKEHOLDER CAPITALISM. But only capitalism for those at the very top governments and corporations(they are the stakeholders), not for the rest of us.

I will give Trump credit for stopping DEI and shoring up the border

What you just figured him out now?

Let’s be honest — every politician lies to get into power. Name me one U.S. President or Australian Prime Minister who hasn’t been called a liar by the opposition at some point. That’s politics. It’s a dirty business and always has been.

So if Trump has told a few porkies like the ones you listed above… welcome to politics.

But the Epstein files are a completely different matter.

I don’t give a flying fk who’s on that list — rich, poor, Democrat, Republican, billionaire, celebrity, whatever. Child trafficking is one of the most vile crimes imaginable, and anyone involved deserves to be exposed and locked up for good. No protection. No political shielding. No special treatment.

And yet look what’s happening.

Ghislaine Maxwell was rotting in a ratty prison, then suddenly after being interviewed by Trump’s former attorney Todd Blanche she gets shifted to what sounds more like a country club and starts getting privileges.

What the actual fk is that about?

Then you’ve got the head of the DOJ Pam Bondi and FBI boss Kash Patel poorly lying under oath when questioned about the files.

This isn’t about politics anymore. This is about whether the powerful are being protected while the victims get buried under six million redacted pages.

[rcptn]

What you just figured him out now?

Let’s be honest — every politician lies to get into power. Name me one U.S. President or Australian Prime Minister who hasn’t been called a liar by the opposition at some point. That’s politics. It’s a dirty business and always has been.

So if Trump has told a few porkies like the ones you listed above… welcome to politics.

But the Epstein files are a completely different matter.

I don’t give a flying fk who’s on that list — rich, poor, Democrat, Republican, billionaire, celebrity, whatever. Child trafficking is one of the most vile crimes imaginable, and anyone involved deserves to be exposed and locked up for good. No protection. No political shielding. No special treatment.

And yet look what’s happening.

Ghislaine Maxwell was rotting in a ratty prison, then suddenly after being interviewed by Trump’s former attorney Todd Blanche she gets shifted to what sounds more like a country club and starts getting privileges.

What the actual fk is that about?

Then you’ve got the head of the DOJ Pam Bondi and FBI boss Kash Patel poorly lying under oath when questioned about the files.

This isn’t about politics anymore. This is about whether the powerful are being protected while the victims get buried under six million redacted pages.

No not now, last June when he bombed Iran the first time and had been obfuscating on the Epstein since he got in. I and many others have known for ages that all polticians both sides liie, especially at election times. And that is why people on the right saw Trump as different because he didn't come from a political background, he wasn't a senator or a congress critter. They hoped he would be different unfortunately he simps for Israel harder than SamKerrSimp simps for Sam Kerr..

Agree with you on the Epstein Files. I just find it interesting how the right in America have been going on about this for years waiting for Trump, Patel and Bongino to get in and do it. Whilst the left barely mentioned during the Biden presidency. It's like a majority of voters on the left have only woken up to the problem in the past few months whilst politicians on left woke up to it last year when realised it was a problem for Trump.

Yes the Ghislaine Maxwell thing is shit. Maybe it's about blackmail on Trump and his friends as Discovered in the Trump - Marjorie Taylor Greene phonecall where Trump ranted at her that if she voted for the Epstein transparency bill "it would hurt his friends". She voted for it and ended up resigning from congress after receiving threats against her family.

In the main I look at politics differently now. Its more about Freedom vs Control. Seems to be a lack of options on the freedom side imho.

One other thing there still seems to be a small maybe 30$ of MAGA that support him 100% like its a cult very scary. My opinion is based on various spaces on X which I listen to on a daily basis for years.

[ism22]

They got the intel from Israel so probably bias and narrative building

Yeah I trust Israel as much as I trust Iran. They're both crooked, ideological dictatorships that kill their own people and cannot be trusted.

[Andrew Walker]

Yeah I trust Israel as much as I trust Iran. They're both crooked, ideological dictatorships that kill their own people and cannot be trusted.

You should be worried about China

[Mickie Lane]

While we are on reality (and thanks BB for trying to inject some common-sense to the debate) there is another really important tenet in all of this - probably the key point for our western democracies.

There has been a steady but definite rise in the confluance of Islamic extremism and hard left ideology. Normally you would think they were worlds apart, but they have met at the juncture of the oppressed/oppressor complex. And, incredibly, we now see assumedly normal peace loving people, supporting terror over the victims of terror. Not just on here, but all over social media and on the streets etc. Its a dangerous confluance.

How did we get here? My two bobs worth is that the roots lie in the expansion of the neo-Marxist movement. The long march into institutions, academia, judiciary, politics big business, big tech, media. Starting with our education system we have created a culture of framing everything into the oppressor/oppressed categorization. Always oppose any principles of capitalism or colonisation despite how we all benefit. You are oppressed ....ok?

There becomes a bizaare irony where we have middle class Caucasians railing against the system that affords them a comfortable lifestyle. Will they gladly give up property and wealth to the "oppressed" themselves? Not bloody likely. I think the actual aim of the protesters is not neccesarily to secure a better world, its simply about maintaining a process of resistance and disturbance. Subject matter changes but not the level of angst. You see some of these protesters asked questions about why they are doing this, and are usually clueless about subject matter and what they represent. Professionals.

Why are people on this hard left side of society so vehement and uncompromising in their response to such matters? Psychological studies show that when someones belief system or ideology is threatened, our human response is akin to a threat of death. Sort of explains I guess. Hope this little screed helps.

At the end of the day Jack there are 2 sides to every story & the conflict & blame game that we are all viewing has to be viewed with the thought you can only believe half of what is being put out.
The truth lies in between.
It seems to me that humans cannot live in peace so the conflicts & bombings will continue on for the next who knows how long.
The wars, bombings, kidnappsings & killings will continue even if everyone was a catholic or Jew or Muslim.
The reason why we now see assumedly normal peace loving people, supporting terror over the victims of terror is because these normal loving people dont see it that way they know that what America & Israel are doing is wrong there is no nuclear threat from Iran, Trumps explanation for going to war is because he felt that Iran were going to attack so he attacked first.There was no plan from Iran to attack America with a nuclear bomb.
We are all seeing the destruction of human lives, (little kids) every night from Gazza & now Iran so when you are normal peace loving person you feel sorry for them because they're not harming or threatning the Americans or Israelin people. These people are not terrorist.
Like I said there is 2 sides to every story

[Paddo Colt 61]

Sky News addicts out in force again here. Working class fellas with unbridled enthusiasm for naked power with critical thinking processes on "off".

BB and Jaxie with the usual hysterical rants lifted straight from News Ltd. Talk of an impending alliance between Islam and Marxism? An atheistic ideology teaming up with theocracies? Unlikely. This is nong talk.

BB's curious post at #31 resurrecting the gamut of propaganda nonsense that is seldom heard lately - the beheading of babies, Hamas "attacking" Israel when what actually occured was akin to a prison breakout. What's more there has been no official inquiry into what happened on October 7th. What we do know is that there was no raping, no beheading, fortified Israeli garrisons were attacked, the IDF came in late all guns blazing with not much to do other than to obliterate everyone on the roads in line with the Hannibal directive. The UN has declared that an occupied people has the right to resist occupation by force if necessary.

Jax's blithe observation that the UN is irrelevent these days because of corruption? Straight off the top of his head, no evidence or examples. The truth is that it has been knobbled by the US for several decades since the Global South became more active and confident and stopped letting the US have its own way, replaced by the US's Rules Based Order - American rules only please. The only peace institution that the world has or had is now irrelevant because the US has made it so.

What? We're happy that the UN is now irrelevant and we're locked into a bellicose US foreign policy? Because that's what we are, a vassal state, well and truly locked in.

All of the general Sky nonsense on display is so frustrating. Iran is a cruel dictatorship, the people are yearning for freedom, the women are treated abysmally - is that Iran or our mates Saudi Arabia and all the other "cruel" dictatorships that are never mentioned by our msm so BB et al never hear about them. In their addled world, the US continues to be the White Knight, sometimes mistaken but always well meaning. They hold to this despite the evidence of their own eyes.

In the Iranian city of Istfahan, there is a World Heritage listed public Square the size of a dozen football fields. On the news of the Ayotollah's death, that square filled with hundreds of thousands who braved possible attacks to protest the assassination. They were part of millions across the country. That is the true picture- a westernised minority understandably dislike a Theocracy that is reactionary but the great majority support the regime. It's unfortunate for those of us who are outraged (along with Sky) at what the Iranian majority believe but that is the reality. Iranian "progressives" are a relatively small and divided minority, there's no way that it will be able to trigger revolt, it's a US wet dream.

[SamKerrSimp]

Fun Fact: Netanyahu has an international arrest warrant:

About Defendant
Mr Benjamin Netanyahu, born on 21 October 1949, Prime Minister of Israel at the time of the relevant conduct.
Arrest warrant issued on 21 November 2024

Accused LastName
Netanyahu

Accused FirstName
Benjamin

Charges
Allegedly responsible for the war crimes of starvation as a method of warfare and of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts from at least 8 October 2023 until at least 20 May 2024.

[rcptn]

Fun Fact: Netanyahu has an international arrest warrant:

About Defendant
Mr Benjamin Netanyahu, born on 21 October 1949, Prime Minister of Israel at the time of the relevant conduct.
Arrest warrant issued on 21 November 2024

Accused LastName
Netanyahu

Accused FirstName
Benjamin

Charges
Allegedly responsible for the war crimes of starvation as a method of warfare and of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts from at least 8 October 2023 until at least 20 May 2024.

And corruption charges at home. Search for an Israeli documentary called "The Bibi Files" eye opening stuff.

[Bates]

At the end of the day Jack there are 2 sides to every story & the conflict & blame game that we are all viewing has to be viewed with the thought you can only believe half of what is being put out.
The truth lies in between.
It seems to me that humans cannot live in peace so the conflicts & bombings will continue on for the next who knows how long.
The wars, bombings, kidnappsings & killings will continue even if everyone was a catholic or Jew or Muslim.
The reason why we now see assumedly normal peace loving people, supporting terror over the victims of terror is because these normal loving people dont see it that way they know that what America & Israel are doing is wrong there is no nuclear threat from Iran, Trumps explanation for going to war is because he felt that Iran were going to attack so he attacked first.There was no plan from Iran to attack America with a nuclear bomb.
We are all seeing the destruction of human lives, (little kids) every night from Gazza & now Iran so when you are normal peace loving person you feel sorry for them because they're not harming or threatning the Americans or Israelin people. These people are not terrorist.
Like I said there is 2 sides to every story

Series 1 Episode 1

Netanyahu has been dreaming of this moment for the 30 plus years. His words.

Trump hates Muslims. However, loves money and power so he can now flex his muscle whilst killing countless Muslims and making money.

Match made in heaven!

Series 1 Episode 2

TBA

[Bates]

America has wasted trillions on countless wars and their country is falling apart.

China on the other hand doesn't go to war these days and their country is state of the art.

No flies on China!