I'll get real excited when Robbo comes out and says we are no chance of signing Staggs too
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Originally posted by eddie View Post
What about JWH ?
At 22, Haas has played 71 games, debuting as an 18 yo. No real comparison in my view.
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Originally posted by Dr. Voodoo Man View Post2 pages of people believing that Ism actually spoke to Robbo and got the good oil.
Hang on a minute, I'm on the line with the ghost of Arthur Beetson. He says we need a new prop. I promise.
BTW, who does Artie recommend?
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Originally posted by 4 the all in brawl View PostKlemmer is another who springs into my mind as a star at around 20 and was a good player over a number of years but wasted it in mediocre teams. These days is pretty much run of the mill and on the decline.
Jared really started to hit his straps in his 4th season with us, 2013. Yes he was good before then but inconsistent as most young props are. He wasn't an out and out superstar prop in his late teens to early 20s imo.......he built his career nicely......
I actually think he played a bit of backrow at times for us in the first couple of seasons as well, I am pretty sure he put on a bit more bulk between 2012 and 2013 (I think he went from 107 0r 108kg to about 115kg in 2013) once it became apparent he was destined to always play as a bookend. Jared has always been able to adapt the changing game as evidenced by losing a bit of weight a couple of seasons ago to cope with the Vlandys ball game.....
BTW, I call you Eddie in a couple of days, I have been crook with the flu......
Anyway I think you're right. I seem to forget about the early JWH......yet I can recall all of Salvatoris career, or even Arties!
I must be getting old.
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Originally posted by Waylander View PostJaz debuted as a 20yo for Manly in 2009, playing 2nd row and he only played 6 games that year. He came to us in 2010 (now 21) and played off the bench in 14 of his 19 games. In 2011 he started in 11 games and came off the bench in 10. It wasn't until 2012 when he became a regular starter, aged 23. His has been a very good example of what I believe is the kind of career progression that a forward needs to survive long term.
At 22, Haas has played 71 games, debuting as an 18 yo. No real comparison in my view.
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Originally posted by eddie View Post
But..................didn't he represent NZ before he played for us?
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Originally posted by 4 the all in brawl View PostKlemmer is another who springs into my mind as a star at around 20 and was a good player over a number of years but wasted it in mediocre teams. These days is pretty much run of the mill and on the decline.
In my mind he was built to be a Toops-style winger, but they branded him as 'the beast' (he never was a beefy dude? Always tall/gangly) and used as an enforcer. My one strong memory of him is in that game where he did that stupid toes up run (Homer Simpson style 'I'm just gonna kick my legs and if they hit you ir's your own fault'), got decked badly by JWH/SBW and conceded a penalty when they had possession on our line.
Meh... one of those dudes I'll never understand I guess.
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Originally posted by ism22 View Post
I always copped shyte on here for saying it, but I never quite got why Klemmer was so highly rated.
In my mind he was built to be a Toops-style winger, but they branded him as 'the beast' (he never was a beefy dude? Always tall/gangly) and used as an enforcer. My one strong memory of him is in that game where he did that stupid toes up run (Homer Simpson style 'I'm just gonna kick my legs and if they hit you ir's your own fault'), got decked badly by JWH/SBW and conceded a penalty when they had possession on our line.
Meh... one of those dudes I'll never understand I guess.
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Originally posted by Waylander View PostI have one lingering doubt about a player like Haas. When was the last time a prop who was that good, that young, actually had a long career and managed to maintain that standard? When I think about props who made it big at a young age, O'Meley and Woods come to mind, their careers started with a bang and ended with a whimper. Not many players can take the kind of beating you get as a prop forward at a young age and not also deteriorate younger than most. Maybe it balances out, and if you make NRL at 18, you bow out at 28, or if you make it at 24, you last until 34. I'm only working off my feeble memory, but I wouldn't expect another 10 years out someone like Haas. He might have another half-dozen at top level, but then I reckon he'll start to fade.
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