“Roosters push refs to limit”

[Vasco]

Of course Annusley misses the point entirely. The statistically anomalous penalty differential is due to the penalties the Roosters don’t receive.

Exactly. You can tell he has been in politics.

[Tommy Smith]

That was your analysis was it not TJ? More egregious statistical outliers in those numbers. But of course, nothing to see here according to annusley.

Here it is. The most definitive proof of systematic bias within the NRL refereeing system you can find.

http://www.thechookpen.com.au/vb5/fo...s-penalty-stat

At that time in 2015 the stat read:

Current Streak: number of matches played in a row without receiving > 7 penalties in a game, per club:

Broncos – 1
Raiders – 0
Bulldogs – 0
Sharks – 0
Titans – 1
Manly – 0
Storm – 0
Warriors – 0
Knights – 1
Cowboys – 2
Eels – 2
Panthers – 1
Rabbitohs – 2
Dragons – 0
Tigers – 1
Roosters – 36

Blatant proof of cheating that exists still to this day as proven by a range of stats - including the fabulous one Spirit of 66 highlighted.

[Vasco]

One thing that was not mentioned in the article is that the bias goes well beyond Robbo. You’ll find the same thing happened under Smith and Fittler. Clearly it means it’s not a coaching issue.

Yep the stat where the Roosters were -334 and the next were the Bulldogs on -113 was from 2008-2018.

[007]

Who can ever forget the stat from early 2015 where we went roughly 30-35 games without receiving more than 7 penalties in a game.

Tommy - in round 2 2014 the Roosters received 11 penalties to 5. The next time the Roosters received more than 7 penalties was round 20 2015 when we received 12 penalties to 5.

Some rippers in there too. 10-2 11-6 11-4 12-6 11-2 10-3. If I've counted correctly it should be 39 games (excluding the byes) where our maximum count was 7.
Happy to put this in a detailed excel spreadsheet if you wish. Rounds, Opponents, Penalty Counts.

[BraveTheWorld]

Just thought I'd rewrite one of Annesleys' sentences. Curious if the same logic applies.

"Any suggestion that there has been some sort of sustained agenda by the club to give away penalties over such a long period of time across multiple coaches, players, and sets of NRL rules, is simply false."

Graham doesn't respond to any of the actual evidence. We know that someone has to be on the bottom, Graham. Why has it been us consistently for two decades, though? Why is the gulf between us and the next nearest offender so incredibly far away? Why do we receive so few penalties, consistently, year after year?

The reality is that Annesley said all he could. What is he going to say? "Yeah, our organization might be incompetent, unconsciously bias or both. Sorry." He defended his referees as well as he could, because he can't mount a reasonable defense - the stats are way too damning.

For what's it worth, I don't think it's a deliberate effort by the NRL to trash us week-in and week-out. I think it's predominately unconscious bias, along with a large helping from players like Jared and Victor being refereed under a microscope.

[player 1]

Just thought I'd rewrite one of Annesleys' sentences. Curious if the same logic applies.

"Any suggestion that there has been some sort of sustained agenda by the club to give away penalties over such a long period of time across multiple coaches, players, and sets of NRL rules, is simply false."

Graham doesn't respond to any of the actual evidence. We know that someone has to be on the bottom, Graham. Why has it been us consistently for two decades, though? Why is the gulf between us and the next nearest offender so incredibly far away? Why do we receive so few penalties, consistently, year after year?

The reality is that Annesley said all he could. What is he going to say? "Yeah, our organization might be incompetent, unconsciously bias or both. Sorry." He defended his referees as well as he could, because he can't mount a reasonable defense - the stats are way too damning.

For what's it worth, I don't think it's a deliberate effort by the NRL to trash us week-in and week-out. I think it's predominately unconscious bias, along with a large helping from players like Jared and Victor being refereed under a microscope.

Standing ovation.

[zac]

wasn't thinking about the sin binning but just watched the highlights of the game and noted that when he sin bins jwh sutton says 'you deliberately stayed there because it was six more'. not a big issue but that's a pretty dumb thing to say. you get binned for a professional foul or for repeated infringements. sounds like the refs are talking about players deliberately slowing down the first tackle after an infringement (which they do cos players gain time for the team and it only costs them one tackle) and sutton was looking out for it which is fair enough but of itself it's not enough to sin bin a player. sounds like in that moment sutton wasn't thnking clearly.

[007]

It's actually 42 rounds if you include finals. Start from round 3 2014 to round 19 2015.

2014		Penalties
Round	Opponent	For	Agst
2	Parramatta	11	5	W
3	Brisbane	3	10	L
4	Manly	2	11	L
5	Canterbury	7	6	W
6	Parramatta	4	8	L
7	Cronulla	2	6	L
8	St George	5	6	L
9	Wests	7	4	W
10	Nth Qld	3	8	L
11	Canterbury	6	12	L
12	Canberra	6	6	D
13	Melbourne	6	8	L
14	Newcastle	3	4	L
16	Manly	3	7	L
17	Cronulla	7	5	W
19	Penrith	6	9	L
20	Newcastle	4	8	L
21	St George	3	7	L
22	Gold Coast	7	3	W
23	Wests	5	4	W
24	New Zealand	4	11	L
25	Melbourne	5	5	D
26	Souths	5	7	L
QF	Penrith	5	7	L
SF	Nth Qld	5	5	D
PF	Souths	5	10	L
2015
1	Nth Qld	2	10	L
2	Souths	4	4	D
3	Penrith	5	8	L
4	Canberra	6	7	L
5	Cronulla	4	6	L
6	Brisbane	5	9	L
7	Melbourne	6	9	L
8	St George	7	8	L
9	Wests	5	5	D
10	Canterbury	6	4	W
12	Melbourne	6	11	L
13	Cronulla	7	8	L
14	New Zealand	5	5	D
15	St George	6	7	L
16	Gold Coast	7	3	W
18	Penrith	7	6	W
19	New Zealand	6	4	W
20	Wests	12	5	W

.

[barryd]

For being cynical.

Lol

[stringaz]

Here it is. The most definitive proof of systematic bias within the NRL refereeing system you can find.

http://www.thechookpen.com.au/vb5/fo...s-penalty-stat

At that time in 2015 the stat read:

Current Streak: number of matches played in a row without receiving > 7 penalties in a game, per club:

Broncos – 1
Raiders – 0
Bulldogs – 0
Sharks – 0
Titans – 1
Manly – 0
Storm – 0
Warriors – 0
Knights – 1
Cowboys – 2
Eels – 2
Panthers – 1
Rabbitohs – 2
Dragons – 0
Tigers – 1
Roosters – 36

Blatant proof of cheating that exists still to this day as proven by a range of stats - including the fabulous one Spirit of 66 highlighted.

Thats insane.

[The Sack]

There was another article a few years ago, by Rothfield as well from memory. It was to do with how long since teams were awarded 7 or more penalties in a match. Every team was on 0,1 or 2 games since being awarded 7 or more penalties in a match. Meaning all 15 teams either received 7 that week, the week before or 2 weeks ago. We had gone 24 or 25 games I think since we had received 7. Guess what? We got 7 penalties the week after the article came out. It’s always been more about the penalties we don’t receive more than the ones we give away. If ever a stat showed bias, this was it. I would point this out to people and the morons would state.oh yeah but roosters give away penalties deliberately. I would try to explain this is about penalties received not conceded to no avail with most

Can’t put brains in statues.

[King Salvo]

It's irritating because I was able to watch 2 weeks of Olympic sports without once having an issue with the refs (okay I lie... the basketball reffing in the bronze medal match was terrible, but that's one single game).

Back to NRL and it's straight back to inconsistency/irritation all around. Further, people are suspended every week for minor contact (which IMO is overly harsh compared with most global sports).

Makes me wonder if it's a training/professionalism thing where the players & coaches have stepped it up a few notches and the refs are still pretty basic. IMO they're very emotional and regularly have too much of an impact on the outcome by focussing too much on a pet peeve, while ignoring everything else.

Did you watch the Hockey or the Football by chance?? some poor calls in some of these games and particular refs in the Football for an example who refused to use the VAR and had to be virtually dragged kicking and screaming to use it when prompted to.

Not Refs but some of the judges don't see the same faults commentators who have competed in previous games or coached competitors over many years do in a competitors performance - i.e diving/gymnastics for an example - Boxing another one too known for judges with their eyes painted on.

[Paddo Chook]

Here it is. The most definitive proof of systematic bias within the NRL refereeing system you can find.

http://www.thechookpen.com.au/vb5/fo...s-penalty-stat

At that time in 2015 the stat read:

Current Streak: number of matches played in a row without receiving > 7 penalties in a game, per club:

Broncos – 1
Raiders – 0
Bulldogs – 0
Sharks – 0
Titans – 1
Manly – 0
Storm – 0
Warriors – 0
Knights – 1
Cowboys – 2
Eels – 2
Panthers – 1
Rabbitohs – 2
Dragons – 0
Tigers – 1
Roosters – 36

Blatant proof of cheating that exists still to this day as proven by a range of stats - including the fabulous one Spirit of 66 highlighted.

Bravo Tommy. That’s the one I was talking about and I think is the one most damning. Most will still say. Oh yeah but roosters purposely give away penalties. They just don’t get it. Or don’t want to

[King Salvo]

wasn't thinking about the sin binning but just watched the highlights of the game and noted that when he sin bins jwh sutton says 'you deliberately stayed there because it was six more'. not a big issue but that's a pretty dumb thing to say. you get binned for a professional foul or for repeated infringements. sounds like the refs are talking about players deliberately slowing down the first tackle after an infringement (which they do cos players gain time for the team and it only costs them one tackle) and sutton was looking out for it which is fair enough but of itself it's not enough to sin bin a player. sounds like in that moment sutton wasn't thnking clearly.

Clubs were advised i understand that they would be cracking down on teams giving away penalties on the 0 of the set restart.

One would have to look at all games to see if the penalties were justified though to be able to ascertain if any bias or perceived bias exists including if it's all Refs , Certain Refs , Certain teams and Certain Grounds etc.

Home Ground Crowds are known to sometimes influence the Ref 's decision making - boos and get em on side ref etc

[player 1]

Clubs were advised i understand that they would be cracking down on teams giving away penalties on the 0 of the set restart.

One would have to look at all games to see if the penalties were justified though to be able to ascertain if any bias or perceived bias exists including if it's all Refs , Certain Refs , Certain teams and Certain Grounds etc.

Home Ground Crowds are known to sometimes influence the Ref 's decision making - boos and get em on side ref etc

I'm sorry - but is that your response to this entire thread?

You really are a flat-earther mate.

Go and stick your tiny head back in the sand.