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  • Another non-too-subtle dig at the Roosters from the Telegraph!

    (Unable to supply link, sorry. Don't subscribe to that paper, but read it in a cafe).

    For a right wing newspaper, the Terror’s sports writers are amazingly socialist! Buzz seems to think the salary cap is failing the NRL because there are some teams that are eternally crap and others that aren't!
    It appears that to have success is a crime and teams that are badly run and have less than great coaches should be given more help than they already have!

    It’s all a catch-22 situation though. Success implies a champion team, but the very implication implies they were all champions when they were signed and so how come the Roosters and the Storm have all the best players!!’s ridiculous! He’s not taking into account the amount of development that is done to get to that stage, even though that is exactly what the Warriors coach complains he has to do!

  • #2
    The better story is that some teams continually do well despite the salary cap. Pro sport should be about excellence being rewarded.


    • #3
      All comes down to better management which results in a quality club that players strive to succeed in...we have an abundance of it. Other clubs pay big bucks for average players hoping to jag a comp, something we used to do,create the right environment and they will come.
      Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe


      • #4
        We can potentially sign players for less because of our proven success and sport being a results based business, winning is important.

        This is where we have to hold our nerve now with money to spend and positions to fill, waiting for the right player but also more importantly, at the right price.
        Once you’ve had fat, you’ll never turn back


        • #5
          The Brisbane Broncos are spending almost $2 million of their salary cap on two players who are not even rated in the NRL’s top 100.

          Dumped skipper Darius Boyd and former Cronulla Sharks grand final hero Jack Bird have been left out of the top 100 after both struggling for the past two years.

          Bird is off contract at the end of this season while Boyd has two seasons to go.

          Other clubs are paying millions of dollars for players who are not justifying their salaries.

          The Gold Coast’s Ash Taylor, Canterbury’s Kieran Foran and the Cronulla Sharks’ Josh Dugan are on a combined $3 million.

          It shows the NRL salary cap is not working.

          This list of arguably the top 100 players in the competition shows a significant gap between the top and bottom sides.

          It demonstrates the premiership heavyweights have up to four times more elite stars than many of their struggling rivals and that the talent pool is lopsided, even with all teams spending $9.5 million.

          The NRL will reasonably argue there have been seven different ?premiers in the past 10 years, that success goes in cycles, and that no sporting competition will ever have ?completely level rosters.

          However, the New Zealand Warriors, the Gold Coast Titans and the Canterbury Bulldogs are clearly off the pace, with a combined eight players in the top 100. It is hard to believe they spend the same amount as the glamour clubs.

          The Penrith Panthers and the Newcastle Knights have only four top players each.

          Warriors recruitment chief Peter O’Sullivan has been in the NRL for 25 years and knows the business ?better than most. He has offered huge money to Matt Lodge, David Fifita and other big names in recent times with no results.

          “They haven’t needed to move to get the bigger dollars,” O’Sullivan said.

          “We have to develop them. We have to buy undervalued players and local kids and turn them into top 100 players.

          “We are confident we are heading in the right direction.”

          At the other end of the scale, ?premiers the Sydney Roosters still have the most elite players along with the Melbourne Storm, despite the retirement of Cooper Cronk and the departure of Latrell Mitchell.

          The Canberra Raiders and the South Sydney Rabbitohs are the next strongest in the top 100.

          It highlights the importance of having a coach who can attract ?players, or a smart one like Ricky Stuart who made a raid on Great Britain’s best talent to build his ?magnificent Raiders roster.

          There are three coaching standouts in recruitment — Trent Robinson, Craig Bellamy and Wayne Bennett. Players will accept less to join their clubs because of their track records.

          You then look at the Wests Tigers and coach Michael Maguire who, until signing the unwanted Joey Leilua last week, couldn’t attract a decent player.

          Mitchell rejected Maguire’s $4 million offer over four years to ?accept an extraordinary $3.3 million less — a $700,000 one-season deal at the South Sydney Rabbitohs.

          Boom forward Ryan Matterson broke his contract and walked out on the Tigers because he didn’t want to play under the 2014 premiership-winning coach. So too did powerful centre Esan Marsters.

          Titans forward Jai Arrow took $200,000 a season less than he could have earned at the Wests Tigers to join the Rabbitohs. It’s said Maguire’s punishing approach at training is a turn-off for potential recruits.

          Penrith’s Ivan Cleary is another who has struggled to attract top ?talent. He left the Wests Tigers in a terrible mess by paying way over the top for the likes of Josh Reynolds, Russell Packer and Ben Matulino.

          He has also released top 100 ?players Dallin Watene-Zelezniak, Waqa Blake and Reagan Campbell-Gillard from the Panthers.

          Back-to-back premiers the Roosters are often accused of rorting the salary cap. Yet they rarely get into bidding wars to keep players.

          Mitchell was offered $800,000 a year for two seasons but knocked it back. They withdrew the offer.

          They let Roger Tuivasa-Sheck go in 2016 because they refused to match the Warriors offer. The same with James Maloney, who was ?released in 2015.

          It is a fact that elite players will accept less to play under Robinson, who has won three premierships in seven years.
          Even youngsters like boom 17-year-old halfback Sam Walker will take less to play at Moore Park, for the opportunity to learn from the three-time premiership coach. He could have got $200,000 more at Belmore.

          At the Roosters you are also ?almost guaranteed to play finals football and it increases your ?chances of playing State of Origin or Test football and getting the bonuses that go with it.

          At the same time, the weaker clubs often have to pay overs to sign the bigger names — and that weakens the rest of the roster.

          The Knights have a ‘‘big three’’ — Mitchell Pearce, Kalyn Ponga and Dave Klemmer — but have struggled to build a competitive roster around them because the funds have not been available.

          That might change this year with the appointment of the highly ?regarded coach Adam O’Brien, ?although he will have basically the same roster that Nathan Brown failed with.

          At least he’s come out of the Storm and Roosters systems — they are the best in the business.

          NRL’S TOP 100 PLAYERS

          Brisbane Broncos (7): David Fifita, Payne Haas, Matt Lodge, Anthony Milford, Corey Oates, Tevita Pangai, Kotoni Staggs

          Canberra Raiders (9): John Bateman, Nick Cotric, Jarrod Croker, Josh Hodgson, Josh Papalii, Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad, Elliott Whithead, Jack Wighton, Joseph Tapine

          Canterbury Bulldogs (3): Will Hopoate, Josh Jackson, Dallin Watene-Zelezniak

          Cronulla Sharks (6): Wade Graham, Andrew Fifita, Matt Moylan, Shaun Johnson, Bronson Xerri, Chad Townsend

          Gold Coast Titans (3): Jai Arrow, Jarrod Wallace, Alexander Brimson

          Manly Sea Eagles (7): Daly Cherry-Evans, Addin Fonua-Blake, Curtis Sironen, Marty Taupau, Jake Trbojevic, Tom Trbojevic, Dylan Walker

          Melbourne Storm (11): Josh Addo-Carr, Nelson Asofa-Solomona, Jesse Bromwich, Kenny Bromwich, Dale Finucane, Felise Kaufusi, Ryan Papenhuyzen,

          Cameron Munster, Brandon Smith, Cameron Smith, Suliasi Vunivalu

          Newcastle Knights (4): Dave Klemmer, Mitchell Pearce, Kalyn Ponga, Daniel Saifiti

          North Queensland Cowboys (5): Valentine Holmes, Kyle Feldt, Josh McGuire, Michael Morgan, Jason Taumalolo

          Parramatta Eels (9): Waqa Blake, Dylan Brown, Nathan Brown, Blake Ferguson, Clint Gutherson, Mitchell Moses, Maika Sivo, Reagan Campbell-Gillard, Ryan Matterson

          Penrith Panthers (4): Nathan Cleary, James Fisher-Harris, Viliame Kikau, James Tamou

          St George-Illawarra Dragons (6): Tyson Frizell, James Graham, Ben Hunt, Tariq Sims, Paul Vaughan, Cameron McInnes

          South Sydney Rabbitohs (8): Tom Burgess, Damien Cook, Dane Gagai, Latrell Mitchell, Cameron Murray, Adam Reynolds, James Roberts, Cody Walker

          Sydney Roosters (11): Boyd Cordner, Angus Crichton, Jake Friend, Luke Keary, Joseph Manu, Brett Morris, Victor Radley, Sio Siua Taukeiaho, James Tedesco, Daniel Tupou, Jared Waerea-Hargreaves

          New Zealand Warriors (2): Blake Green, Roger Tuivasa-Sheck

          Wests Tigers (5): Luke Brooks, Benji Marshall, Moses Mbye, Joey Leilua, Adam Doueihi


          • #6
            we are touted as a glamour club. why not call us a development club. We have 17 out of our 2020 top 30 players have made their NRL debut thru Easts. and out of our 30 there are 6 yet to make their debut. so thats realistically 17 out of 24 players have come through our elite system.
            IN THE LIST WE HAVE 11 PLAYERS FROM THE NRLS TO 100 PLAYERS. 6 have made their debut with us (excluding JWH a few at manly) In that list we have also developed 11 from the 100.

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            • #7
              Less Socialism, more Botulism from L'ennemi du Peuple. But Chris Dore, the editor in chief of the Daily Telegraph, is no Jean-Paul Marat.


              • #8
                Get the chip off your shoulder we are back-to-back premiers. There is no anti-Rooster rhetoric here. Move on. Next!


                • #9
                  that article is not having a go at us, it is praising us imo.


                  • #10
                    Who decided on the top 100? What criteria were used? The article implies that the Roosters employ good cap management but doesn't talk about the development of players such that they (eventually) become categorised as top 100 players. Furthermore, the makeup of top 100 will change over time so it's quite a poor proxy (in my opinion) for determining the merit or effectiveness of the salary cap.
                    "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."

                    Thomas Jefferson


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mattyh View Post
                      that article is not having a go at us, it is praising us imo.

                      He pointed out how we parted with star players like Jimmy, Sheck and Lattrell because we won't get into a bidding war.
                      Choose hope over fear.


                      • #12
                        Everyone in our 17 would be top 100
                        Making Steve Naughton look like Vince Mellars...


                        • #13
                          I wonder how many of those named top 100 players would miss out if they were in lesser bottom eight teams?
                          Once you’ve had fat, you’ll never turn back


                          • #14
                            I would find it a safe bet that Manu is on less than Dugan. If that doesn't show you the difference between smart and just plain dumb nothing will
                            The Internet is a place for posting silly things
                            Try and be serious and you will look stupid


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Thirteen View Post
                              Get the chip off your shoulder we are back-to-back premiers. There is no anti-Rooster rhetoric here. Move on. Next!

                              Upon second reading (the first was a bit rushed), I do you acknowledge you are mostly right and he does acknowledge we've let players go to comply with the cap, but there is still the implication that we are buying the top talent and not producing it, and that the NRL needs to ensure badly managed teams can reach our level. That is ridiculous!