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  • Roosters - the best league team since the 60s

    Ok, so theres been talk of the Storm being a better team than the Roosters. Thats just not true.

    I would argue that if we win in 2020, we will be the best Rugby League team since the Dragons of the 60s (they won 11 premierships in a row).

    So lets take a look at the contenders:

    Parramatta of the 80s: 4 premierships (3 in a row) and 3 minor premierships
    Broncos of the 90s: 5 premierships (2 sets of back to back, though one was during Super League, so questionable) and 4 minor premierships
    Storm since 2006: 2 premierships (2 were stripped) 4 minor premierships (3 were stripped)
    Roosters of the 2010s: 3 premierships (including a back to back) and 4 minor premierships.

    So lets say we win 2020, our record will be: 4 premierships (including 3 in a row) and 4 minor premierships.

    My thoughts are that we have already outdone the Storm and we will have outdone Parramatta.

    My question is, will we have outdone the Broncos of the 90s? Does 3 in a row beat 2 back to back (especially since one of these was during Super League)? They also have an extra premiership (Super League though).

    If we will have outdone the Broncos of the 90s (i believe we will have), we will have been the best team since the Dragons of the 50s / 60s.

  • #2
    You could probably throw Souths 67-71 into the equation, but it's harder to win comps these days.

    No way should the Broncos Super League win in 97 count, but their record over that time is still the one to beat. If we win next year we're in front.

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    • #3
      I think another way of looking at it, is to compare teams post salary cap era. As the salary cap is supposed to create a level playing field, no team comes close to Easts.

      Like Canberra in the late 80's/early 90's, and Broncos in the 90's, both teams basically had full roster of rep players... Without any cap scrutiny. Same can be said of the 50's/60's Dragons. No chance they could field such teams in today's nrl system.

      As no team will ever match the Dragons record , it is like comparing apples and oranges.

      We are the benchmark, we are Easts.

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      • #4
        I find Melbourne to be the most overrated team in the comp. 2 premierships in Bellamy's 20 year reign is just not that impressive, he's not a good big game coach. Even when they were cheating he still managed to lose 2 GFs. This Roosters side is by far the greatest of the modern era.

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        • #5
          Its way too hard to compare teams in different eras. If you talk about the greatest rugby league team of all time the Roosters 1975 is always mentioned....and so they should be after winning 19 straight, winning the midweek cup and then winning the grand final 38-0 (when tries were worth 3 points).....and of course being captained by the clubs greatest ever player in Arthur Beetson.

          However that team wouldn't be able to beat the Roosters premiership winning teams of 02,13,18 and 19 under todays rules. The speed of todays game and the explosive fitness of todays players would leave the 1975 team for dead

          But play them under 1975 rules and none of those teams would come close to beating the 1975 team. No interchange, brutal scrums, not much policing on high tackles let alone head bins, you would have to practically commit murder to get sent off. JWH would have been a cleanskin if he played back then!!

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          • #6
            On 25 April 1996, Easts played Souths.

            Easts won 62-0

            There'll be life after Latrell.

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            • #7
              Manly have won a comp in every decade since the 70s, not a bad effort and consistency over the ever changing rules, salary cap situations.

              they would have to be considered one of the bests teams in the last 50years, most comps too.

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              • #8
                Yes, Manly are a loathed, but respected club.
                Making Steve Naughton look like Vince Mellars...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bondi.boy View Post
                  On 25 April 1996, Easts played Souths.

                  Easts won 62-0

                  There'll be life after Latrell.
                  Your first post! Welcome.
                  Making Steve Naughton look like Vince Mellars...

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                  • #10
                    It’s all so arbitrary, innit? If the NRL ended tomorrow, I’d say Easts won History with Souths a gallant runner’s-up.
                    Making Steve Naughton look like Vince Mellars...

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                    • #11
                      I thought we've been the best team since 19o8

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by milanja View Post
                        Manly have won a comp in every decade since the 70s, not a bad effort and consistency over the ever changing rules, salary cap situations.

                        they would have to be considered one of the bests teams in the last 50years, most comps too.
                        Yeah rule changes are important because they show we've adapted. Every season there seems to be a new way around the rules and the NRL seems to like taking a black letter approach to interpretation (e.g. rather than saying 'mate the point is that you're not supposed to [push in the scrum / do ANY dangerous tackles / strip the ball during a tackle...etc] we are gonna call a penalty'). We never seem to benefit from such interpretations, nor do we have a plan that centres around exploiting them - I'd argue because we focus on playing footy rather than being no talent hacks.

                        IMO our focus on recruiting good players and building good structures has worked long-term because we have lotsa good players ready to play footy when somebody goes down. Our structures are such that people have a job to do and (for example) losing Jake Friend for the season doesn't mean we're fukked. On Canberra radio I heard some author talking about how the Raiders no doubt woulda won the (1993?) GF if Sticky hadn't been injured (on the basis they'd won his last game that season ~70-0 then lost their 2 finals games). That's kinda the point though... his whole rant centred around how they woulda won everything but for [something completely outta their control]. We're not like that. We don't win 70-0 when Jake + JWH are available then crumble without them. Collins + Verrills (players on minimum wage) step in and get the job done because that's what our systems are all about.

                        I'm proud to be a Roosters fan. Sure the Eastern Suburbs isn't a rough area with lotsa 8 y/o's walking around with beards, ready to play NRL. It's now an area I can't afford to live in (who am I kidding - always was that way - closest I got to living there was living in a terrace house on South Dowling st that was technically Paddington in the days when it was way too embarrassing to admit to all my north shore / eastern suburbs mates at an elite private school that I was from the Gong originally and lived in my gran's house on the border of Darlo / Surry Hills... yeah haw haw haw your parents all own harbourside mansion so you're better than me, ya dikk'eads). HOWEVER... it identifies GOOD YOUNG MEN early, inducts them into an awesome culture and teaches them to take pride in what they do (regardless of their paycheck - if you're wearing our jersey then you're always 1 ACL injury away from playing a season of firstgrade so train like you're gonna be in our firsts this week kinda stuff).

                        People are jelly and look for excuses but the fact is you CANNOT buy a premiership. With the salary cap, you can't even afford to keep your own star players once they get good (e.g. RTS and potentially Latrell). What you can do is put a shyte load of time/money into your culture rather than quick wins. Any fan in recent years will know that we had our 2099, our 2012, our 2016...etc. Importantly, we've gone to shyte and had to re-build after EVERY premiership. However, we've been resilient because we have good systems and management that's smart enough to make the big calls on d!ckheads EARLY ON rather than protecting them coz we 'need them'. Consistent with my experience in the business world, no employee is so good that a successful company NEEDS them. As soon as you start thinking that, you start fukking over all your hard working employers for a complete ratbag and BOOM, there goes your culture coz nobody likes it when that happens. Roosters are run like a business and while I get it that people like having a mad U10's team full of locals, diversity is what Australia is built on. We recruit good people from all over the place well before they have proven anything and turn them into good men onver a ~5-10 year period so that when they turn 18, they are ready for the NRL. Great club, great culture! Fuk the haters!

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                        • #13
                          I would like to here Louis N take on this subject.
                          Louis come back to the Chookpen please.
                          Originally posted by OMR;n823956
                          You guys will soon be shot down by mickie lane for saying negative stuff about his much admired bunnies. So be gentle with your hatred for souffs as you might hurt his feelings too

                          Originally posted by The Sack;n823995

                          Watch out, you will get bombarded with gay and animal porn now. One sick individual.

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                          • #14
                            Interesting thread. You could probably throw the 1980's Bulldogs side into the mix as well (along with Manly), but I agree that, on balance, we come out on top. The point about the salary cap era is a valid one. Unfortunately, we are comparing different eras - apples and oranges really - but I think there are enough arguments to sufficiently justify that we are the best!
                            MRR or Rabid

                            Some people believe supporting the Roosters
                            is a matter of life and death, I am very disappointed
                            with that attitude. I can assure you it is
                            much, much more important than that.


                            (1981 Bill Shankly quote variation)

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                            • #15
                              The telegraph published an article on the best roosters line up of the last 10 years. Pearce, Maloney and RTS were out

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