Nate Myles re-signs for three years

[witty92]

There's this wonderful thing called Google, don't know if you've ever heard of it.

mate ive google imaged several times and i cant find one

[Guest]

The "siege mentality" thing is what made QLD, The Wankos, The Faiders, Penwiff, Melbas, You guys even Us while Gus and pRicky were involved. Its a very powerful motivational ploy, humans respond to primal urges.

Last year Shrek did some great stuff for us. Some of his defence at times was inspiring. I thought The Pillow really benifited from Shrek, as has FPN this year. I dont believe weve seen the end of Shrek. I do believe he needs to strip his frame and really get mobile again. I blame our coaches for the way he looks and the way hes performed.

Mason I still see value in too. I thought he went well last season. His knee recos definatley affected his play this year, and Ive maintained since the day he signed hes a wide running impact backrower, not a workrate hit up merchant. Again I blame our coaches. He left your club cos of $BW, Folkes admitted that when he left. Toad farked Mason over IMO, I dont believe he ever wanted to go and $BW showed his true colors anyway.

Bwaiffs never been a favourite of mine. I do like his passion and commitment, I just dont believe he shows a cool head under pressure. I dont think hes a captain or a 5/8.

Williams is a toiler, nothing more. Will always give 100% just doesnt have much in the size or ability columns. I believe Koupa shows more potential than Williams. That said I wouldnt have bought either player, well maybe for backup I guess.

You guys are the most resilient clubs around. Youre never down for long. You have a plan and go out and implement it positively. Youve done it before and have confidence it will work again. Great attitude IMO.

Yes your injuries last season were many. Ours this season have been too, and like you guys its never mentioned when media commentators go on their little "fact" finding missions. I challenge ANY club to lose their highest paid player, and their best player, for 4 seasons now and recover. Im talking Mini. Add to that blokes like Maubs and Leroy Brown, 2 of our most consistent performers last season. Masons slow (expected) start, Jaubs, Soli etc.

No excuses, just its something no-one seems to acknowlege when they mention teams fortunes. Ive watched plenty of footy and MOST teams that win the comp have few injuries, especially later in the year. MOST teams that make up the numbers have the most injuries usually. Its like the crowd argument. When clubs perform their crowds spike, when they dont people stay home.

Good discussion mate.

If you look at the Grand Finalists over the last 7 or 8 seasons, they have invariably been those that have gone through the least number of players in a season.

This is even more marked for those teams that keep their key playmakers healthy.

Also, the structure of the competition has now left many squads very lean on talent. I blame the NYC and degradation of the reserve grade comp. Once upon a time, a 17 year old had to get through 3 mens grades before they could play first grade. The Dogs graded Idris last year for the first time in the SG Ball comp. The first time Idris came up against anyone over the age of 20 was when he made his NRL debut. Tough place to find out if you can handle playing with the grown ups.

I also believe that the ESL is having a greater impact on the NRL than what people are prepared to acknowledge. I get out to the NSW Cup from time to time, and the footy is rubbish. Why wouldn't a second tier player not take the money to go to the ESL? In the past these guys were playing a support role to the SOO and Internationals and provided depth.

The NRL these days is so competitive that if you don't get your pre-season right then the season is shot.

Mason basically didn't have a preseason. Mason is the only one who really knows whether he really has what it takes to re-emerge.

Ogre is single minded enough to make the changes he needs to make. Can his body go with him is the question.

Koups is in that category too. He had a shoulder reco last year and tore his pectoral the year before. (or the other way around ... anyway he has missed 2 preseasons)

[melon....]

The comments from Mason regarding Asotasi is when Mason still thought he'd get the cash in front of SBW, not get screwed by SBW. MAson thought he was top Dog. Then SBW went on to screw everyone. I still reckon Mase can produce. He's coming back from a knee....not many people know what that does to your head. Couple that with a head ****ed coaching outfit and its hard for players to have the right attitude.

[Guest]

The comments from Mason regarding Asotasi is when Mason still thought he'd get the cash in front of SBW, not get screwed by SBW. MAson thought he was top Dog. Then SBW went on to screw everyone. I still reckon Mase can produce. He's coming back from a knee....not many people know what that does to your head. Couple that with a head ****ed coaching outfit and its hard for players to have the right attitude.

This discussion is probably best had on one of the Bulldog sites (I'm here because I really don't want to discuss the value of signing Chris Walker with the Brett Morris money ... sigh) but there was a lot of crap going on at the time. The club had lost it's transparency and there were several divisions between past allies.

[stsae]

If you look at the Grand Finalists over the last 7 or 8 seasons, they have invariably been those that have gone through the least number of players in a season.

This is even more marked for those teams that keep their key playmakers healthy.

Also, the structure of the competition has now left many squads very lean on talent. I blame the NYC and degradation of the reserve grade comp. Once upon a time, a 17 year old had to get through 3 mens grades before they could play first grade. The Dogs graded Idris last year for the first time in the SG Ball comp. The first time Idris came up against anyone over the age of 20 was when he made his NRL debut. Tough place to find out if you can handle playing with the grown ups.

I also believe that the ESL is having a greater impact on the NRL than what people are prepared to acknowledge. I get out to the NSW Cup from time to time, and the footy is rubbish. Why wouldn't a second tier player not take the money to go to the ESL? In the past these guys were playing a support role to the SOO and Internationals and provided depth.

The NRL these days is so competitive that if you don't get your pre-season right then the season is shot.

Mason basically didn't have a preseason. Mason is the only one who really knows whether he really has what it takes to re-emerge.

Ogre is single minded enough to make the changes he needs to make. Can his body go with him is the question.

Koups is in that category too. He had a shoulder reco last year and tore his pectoral the year before. (or the other way around ... anyway he has missed 2 preseasons)

Very good post mate, I agree 100%.

Id also add the SL/NewsLTD debacle and the Celery Clap as major contributors to lack of depth across the board. (excluding NQ, The Wankos, The Titties and Melbs of course, The QLD Cups a nice place to hide your 2nd tier.)

SL is the reason we destroyed the 3 grades, expansion or national revenue raising in particular. The playing fields never been level since The Wankos got their way and we allowed to store their reserve graders in QLD.

News LTD have destroyed the fabric of our game. Theyve always taken the short sighted view, to reclaim their investment. They have no interest in the long term vision of RL. If it cant be sponsored and return a profit it can go is their mantra. Hence we have a Toyota Cup instead of 3 grades, as you said the progression of levels so kids can learn how to play footy with men without being thrown in at the deep end.

We have always lost players to the UK, but without SL here and there, and its flow on effect, I feel we wouldnt be having this discussion. Years ago we only really lost players who were past it, or remember the "guest stint" the way to make that little extra each season, only for the elite player generally. A thing of the past unfortunatley. Even the fact they moved their comp to be in line with ours at the time is a factor.


Anyhow Im glad Nasty Nate re-signed. I have the feeling he will become a real leader in the near future. Id make the man our captain next season. I bet the rest of the blokes would follow him into battle, just going on the way he throws his body into every game. The man has that onfield presence IMO.

[Guest]

Very good post mate, I agree 100%.

Id also add the SL/NewsLTD debacle and the Celery Clap as major contributors to lack of depth across the board. (excluding NQ, The Wankos, The Titties and Melbs of course, The QLD Cups a nice place to hide your 2nd tier.)

SL is the reason we destroyed the 3 grades, expansion or national revenue raising in particular. The playing fields never been level since The Wankos got their way and we allowed to store their reserve graders in QLD.

News LTD have destroyed the fabric of our game. Theyve always taken the short sighted view, to reclaim their investment. They have no interest in the long term vision of RL. If it cant be sponsored and return a profit it can go is their mantra. Hence we have a Toyota Cup instead of 3 grades, as you said the progression of levels so kids can learn how to play footy with men without being thrown in at the deep end.

We have always lost players to the UK, but without SL here and there, and its flow on effect, I feel we wouldnt be having this discussion. Years ago we only really lost players who were past it, or remember the "guest stint" the way to make that little extra each season, only for the elite player generally. A thing of the past unfortunatley. Even the fact they moved their comp to be in line with ours at the time is a factor.


Anyhow Im glad Nasty Nate re-signed. I have the feeling he will become a real leader in the near future. Id make the man our captain next season. I bet the rest of the blokes would follow him into battle, just going on the way he throws his body into every game. The man has that onfield presence IMO.

Nate's a good retention, definitely some one you can build a young pack around. He had a rough first season with the Roosters but seems to have kicked on since then. Safe to say he's a better player now than when he was with us.

Back to your other point.

As everyone now knows News are looking to retreat from the operational management of the game and at the end of this year a recommendation will be submitted with the new structure and management model.

One thing that doesn't appear to have been discussed as part of that report is the reinstatement of a 2nd or reserve grade. I think having a viable competitive 2nd tier competition either as a feeder to the NRL (reserve grade) or as a seperate competition (State Cup) will go a long way to addressing the issue of players leaving Australia in the early to mid twenties to play in the SL.

The NRL licenses are due for renewal in 2012, so the scramble has already begun in earnest. Especially, with the emerging view that Sydney can only sustain 4 - 5 teams at the most. Not the present 9.

[stsae]

Nate's a good retention, definitely some one you can build a young pack around. He had a rough first season with the Roosters but seems to have kicked on since then. Safe to say he's a better player now than when he was with us.

Back to your other point.

As everyone now knows News are looking to retreat from the operational management of the game and at the end of this year a recommendation will be submitted with the new structure and management model.

One thing that doesn't appear to have been discussed as part of that report is the reinstatement of a 2nd or reserve grade. I think having a viable competitive 2nd tier competition either as a feeder to the NRL (reserve grade) or as a seperate competition (State Cup) will go a long way to addressing the issue of players leaving Australia in the early to mid twenties to play in the SL.

The NRL licenses are due for renewal in 2012, so the scramble has already begun in earnest. Especially, with the emerging view that Sydney can only sustain 4 - 5 teams at the most. Not the present 9.

My worry is when they retreat will they install a News friendly puppet regime, SL loyal flunkies. Theyve shown so far those associated with SL have gone onto bigger and better things (rarely deserved or required IMO) and ARL loyalists have been slowly driven from power, generally. Even club wise its apparent. No SL club was forced to merge or were killed off, only the ARL clubs were affected.

I do believe we need News out of running our game, they have too many fingers in too many pies, owning clubs, newspapers, Pay TV, sponsors etcetcetc. The fact alone 6/12 GF winners post SL have been clubs owned by News, The Wankos and Melbas is the biggest worry. Too many agendas, too much hypocracy, too many unanswered questions.

I believe a comission containing 1 rep from each club should be appointed to a board to run the game. They can then vote on an independant chairperson. It would at least be more fair than what we have ever had. Give the ownership of the game back to the clubs, similar to how I believe the gAFL run their game. It would give the game power when it comes to negotiating future TV deals.

Im not sure how many Sydney clubs are too many to be honest. I dont see The Faiders, Melbas, St Merge, doing any better than most Sydney clubs for crowds and sponsorship.

[Guest]

My worry is when they retreat will they install a News friendly puppet regime, SL loyal flunkies. Theyve shown so far those associated with SL have gone onto bigger and better things (rarely deserved or required IMO) and ARL loyalists have been slowly driven from power, generally. Even club wise its apparent. No SL club was forced to merge or were killed off, only the ARL clubs were affected.

I do believe we need News out of running our game, they have too many fingers in too many pies, owning clubs, newspapers, Pay TV, sponsors etcetcetc. The fact alone 6/12 GF winners post SL have been clubs owned by News, The Wankos and Melbas is the biggest worry. Too many agendas, too much hypocracy, too many unanswered questions.

I believe a comission containing 1 rep from each club should be appointed to a board to run the game. They can then vote on an independant chairperson. It would at least be more fair than what we have ever had. Give the ownership of the game back to the clubs, similar to how I believe the gAFL run their game. It would give the game power when it comes to negotiating future TV deals.

Im not sure how many Sydney clubs are too many to be honest. I dont see The Faiders, Melbas, St Merge, doing any better than most Sydney clubs for crowds and sponsorship.

Yes, not too much to argue with there.

I think forcibly removing teams from the competition would be extremely destructive. Natural attrition should decide who stays and who goes.

I agree, the game should be run by a single body of people that represent all levels of the game including the juniors and the country rugby league. The NRL cannot continue to work in isolation or at the expense of the other levels of the game. Look at what has happened to the state competitions, although the QLD comp is making a revival, as well as the health of international football.

The AFL is run centrally by one man with a mandate from one body. He consults his media and sponsor stakeholders plus he has a professional business to business relationship with the players' representative body. I hate them anyway so that's as far as I will discuss them.

There are days I would happily run Gallop over with a cement truck, but the poor bastard has no chance to do his job, or any job. There are so many layers, bodies, stakeholders and "owners" the game is paralysed from progressing. Can you imagine conducting a "ring around" to get support on issues like most people get to do in their daily workiing lives?

As you say the agendas, conspiracies, factions and feuds in the game are just cancers that continually undermine progress. The mere fact that people can still point to ARL and SL sympathies 12 years after the supposed truce indicates that the divisions are as deep as ever.

Finally, we have the insane situation where News negotiates with itself for the broadcasting rights. As a result the clubs get short changed on potential revenue from TV, radio and internet. The game's revenues are at the highest they have ever been yet we are speculating on which club is going to the wall first.

This comes back to Nate Myles who plays in the News Limited comp during the week and for the ARL comp duing State of Origin. (I had to tie it back somehow to Nate Myles ...)

[stsae]

Yes, not too much to argue with there.

I think forcibly removing teams from the competition would be extremely destructive. Natural attrition should decide who stays and who goes.

I agree, the game should be run by a single body of people that represent all levels of the game including the juniors and the country rugby league. The NRL cannot continue to work in isolation or at the expense of the other levels of the game. Look at what has happened to the state competitions, although the QLD comp is making a revival, as well as the health of international football.

The AFL is run centrally by one man with a mandate from one body. He consults his media and sponsor stakeholders plus he has a professional business to business relationship with the players' representative body. I hate them anyway so that's as far as I will discuss them.

There are days I would happily run Gallop over with a cement truck, but the poor bastard has no chance to do his job, or any job. There are so many layers, bodies, stakeholders and "owners" the game is paralysed from progressing. Can you imagine conducting a "ring around" to get support on issues like most people get to do in their daily workiing lives?

As you say the agendas, conspiracies, factions and feuds in the game are just cancers that continually undermine progress. The mere fact that people can still point to ARL and SL sympathies 12 years after the supposed truce indicates that the divisions are as deep as ever.

Finally, we have the insane situation where News negotiates with itself for the broadcasting rights. As a result the clubs get short changed on potential revenue from TV, radio and internet. The game's revenues are at the highest they have ever been yet we are speculating on which club is going to the wall first.

This comes back to Nate Myles who plays in the News Limited comp during the week and for the ARL comp duing State of Origin. (I had to tie it back somehow to Nate Myles ...)

Another quality post mate. Im gonna try to tie Nate into all my replies. Im sure I will fail though, Nate and gAFL doesnt really gell.

Agree 100% that Nate would be confused come Origin time, different masters for mid-week football. Although I fear News has imposed itself on the showpiece, just the 2 reffs this year makes me wonder how far reaching their powers are now.

Id love Nate to sit in on broardcast rights negotiations, imagine those suits fearing the man with a midget head, the game could only profit IMO.

Luckily Nate and his generation havent really seen the whole battle lines of the SL war. They can approach their games free of baggage. Remember some of the seinor players at the time??? Many dug themselves in deep holes with their "vision" rhetoric. 12yrs on seems like yesterday to many of us I guess, unfortunatley. Proves the same problems exist under another banner.

I think Nate would make a great future Gallop. Sure hes no NewsLTD lawyer, but im sure chicks dig him, especially when he sported that 70s porno moe.

Nate and gAFL unfortunatley wouldnt be a great mix. Im struggling to tie the man into that one. Still they run a very good system for their own game. Im sure they could teach us a thing or two.

Im sure Nate could force rationalisation. Problem would be not all of us want an all QLD comp. IMO the rise of QLD, while being good for the game, has really had a negative effect on the NSW clubs. I dont know if its actually a fair or realistic negative effect, but the media has pushed the barrow so hard now for so long, people just believe it to be fact now, QLD fans are just more "hardcore" apparently.

Nate for PM, even Melon would agree, Nate would make JohnnyBoy Howard look like a fakearsedwobblietrakkiewearingnuffy.

[Andrew Walker]

My worry is when they retreat will they install a News friendly puppet regime, SL loyal flunkies. Theyve shown so far those associated with SL have gone onto bigger and better things (rarely deserved or required IMO) and ARL loyalists have been slowly driven from power, generally. Even club wise its apparent. No SL club was forced to merge or were killed off, only the ARL clubs were affected.

I do believe we need News out of running our game, they have too many fingers in too many pies, owning clubs, newspapers, Pay TV, sponsors etcetcetc. The fact alone 6/12 GF winners post SL have been clubs owned by News, The Wankos and Melbas is the biggest worry. Too many agendas, too much hypocracy, too many unanswered questions.

I believe a comission containing 1 rep from each club should be appointed to a board to run the game. They can then vote on an independant chairperson. It would at least be more fair than what we have ever had. Give the ownership of the game back to the clubs, similar to how I believe the gAFL run their game. It would give the game power when it comes to negotiating future TV deals.

Im not sure how many Sydney clubs are too many to be honest. I dont see The Faiders, Melbas, St Merge, doing any better than most Sydney clubs for crowds and sponsorship.

Adelaide Rams Perth Reds and Hunter Mariners were all Super League teams that were killed off.The rest of what you say I pretty much agree with.

[Guest]

Another quality post mate. Im gonna try to tie Nate into all my replies. Im sure I will fail though, Nate and gAFL doesnt really gell.

Agree 100% that Nate would be confused come Origin time, different masters for mid-week football. Although I fear News has imposed itself on the showpiece, just the 2 reffs this year makes me wonder how far reaching their powers are now.

Id love Nate to sit in on broardcast rights negotiations, imagine those suits fearing the man with a midget head, the game could only profit IMO.

Luckily Nate and his generation havent really seen the whole battle lines of the SL war. They can approach their games free of baggage. Remember some of the seinor players at the time??? Many dug themselves in deep holes with their "vision" rhetoric. 12yrs on seems like yesterday to many of us I guess, unfortunatley. Proves the same problems exist under another banner.

I think Nate would make a great future Gallop. Sure hes no NewsLTD lawyer, but im sure chicks dig him, especially when he sported that 70s porno moe.

Nate and gAFL unfortunatley wouldnt be a great mix. Im struggling to tie the man into that one. Still they run a very good system for their own game. Im sure they could teach us a thing or two.

Im sure Nate could force rationalisation. Problem would be not all of us want an all QLD comp. IMO the rise of QLD, while being good for the game, has really had a negative effect on the NSW clubs. I dont know if its actually a fair or realistic negative effect, but the media has pushed the barrow so hard now for so long, people just believe it to be fact now, QLD fans are just more "hardcore" apparently.

Nate for PM, even Melon would agree, Nate would make JohnnyBoy Howard look like a fakearsedwobblietrakkiewearingnuffy.

All I know is that if Nate was in the video ref's box that night at Okey Dokey Park then we would have got that f-erkin try. Lying cheating bastards!!! But I'm not angry .... much ... ;-P

[stsae]

Adelaide Rams Perth Reds and Hunter Mariners were all Super League teams that were killed off.The rest of what you say I pretty much agree with.

True Mr Walker, but Melbas took all the gooduns from Perff and Bun-ter, the Hams were just baked anyway. The Hams and Bun-ters were just invented to make up numbers in that great SL comp.

I didnt count those sides because they werent traditional ARL sides like Souffs, Wests, Balmain, Stains, Illawarra, Norffs, GC even Sth QLD.

BTW why dont you make a comeback, we could use a FB with pace, skill and who can kick a goal??

[stsae]

All I know is that if Nate was in the video ref's box that night at Okey Dokey Park then we would have got that f-erkin try. Lying cheating bastards!!! But I'm not angry .... much ... ;-P

Mate Nate, even Blind Freddy, could see that was the worst decision of the season, maybe the last few seasons.

I wouldve LOLed at you blokes but for the fact I HATE the Stainedillasoxedmergedscum worse than Souffs even.

Still I know The Boggs, they will use it for motivation, the masters of the siege.

[Andrew Walker]

True Mr Walker, but Melbas took all the gooduns from Perff and Bun-ter, the Hams were just baked anyway. The Hams and Bun-ters were just invented to make up numbers in that great SL comp.

I didnt count those sides because they werent traditional ARL sides like Souffs, Wests, Balmain, Stains, Illawarra, Norffs, GC even Sth QLD.

BTW why dont you make a comeback, we could use a FB with pace, skill and who can kick a goal??

Why thankyou.I preferred to play 5/8. I was never happy that Freddy as great as he was took my NO6 jumper.This is why I went back to Rugby

[Guest]

Why thankyou.I preferred to play 5/8. I was never happy that Freddy as great as he was took my NO6 jumper.This is why I went back to Rugby

Come on mate. YOu can admit that it was the real reason you turned to drugs