Letter to the nrl

[Guest]

The whole penalties argument is destroyed by Roosters winning the comp in 2013 and the manly semi final proved it doesn't matter how far the penalties against you they are if you're good enough you will win. Roosters did not deserve to win against Penrith they were rubbish that night and they were rubbish for 60 minutes against Souths as well. Back to back penalties is why they blew our team away? Please. The team blew a 30 point lead against North Queensland, they almost blew a huge lead against Souths in round 26, didn't play too well against Melbourne either. The team peaked in Auckland. The individual decisions don't excuse why we lost since we should have won regardless, Minichiello's disgraceful effort to clear the ball cost our team against Penrith not the ref. The team struggling in second halves all season cost us against Souths and almost against Cowboys. if you can watch the opening half against Penrith and with a straight face tell me we played well it was just the ref who cost us then you are kidding yourself. And if Anyone was the most dominant team in the comp it was Manly.

Souths put 30 points on 2nd, 1st and 7th in the finals series, in what world were they not deserved premiers? They won the hard road and they would have flogged Penrith had they not dropped their bundle against Canterbury.

As for 2010, Gasnier didn't tip the Saints over the line he signed before the June 30 date and they were leading the comp since 3

Too many conspiracy theories here based off not giving teams credit and admitting we can't win the comp every year

[PeeGee]

Ok, I'm not so much a 'conspiracy theorist' exactly when it comes to the NRL but I DO believe in a few things:

1. NRL preferred outcomes/results (Why? Growing the brand, longer wider media coverage and replays, increased juniors, IE........more $$$$$$$$$)
2. Unconscious Bias - you know that point 1 can unfortunately lead to point 2
3 Terrible refereeing
4. Terrible Bunker reviews

We could go on for ever with valid points for and against. BUT,

Would anyone like to please explain to me some of the refereeing decisions and bunker reviews AGAINST US in 2016. It was a terrible year in just about all areas but FFS please tell me we were treated fairly by the refs and bunker in 2016. Please do. I cannot wait to hear your arguments....................

[dice]

doesn't matter how far the penalties against you they are if you're good enough you will win

That is the Clayton's argument. You just have to go back to the Cowboys hand-of-god (vs Manly) and 7th tackle try (vs Sharks) to see the comp is so close that even very good teams can lose with a single wrong call.

[Mickie Lane]

Ok, I'm not so much a 'conspiracy theorist' exactly when it comes to the NRL but I DO believe in a few things:

1. NRL preferred outcomes/results (Why? Growing the brand, longer wider media coverage and replays, increased juniors, IE........more $$$$$$$$$)
2. Unconscious Bias - you know that point 1 can unfortunately lead to point 2
3 Terrible refereeing
4. Terrible Bunker reviews

We could go on for ever with valid points for and against. BUT,

Would anyone like to please explain to me some of the refereeing decisions and bunker reviews AGAINST US in 2016. It was a terrible year in just about all areas but FFS please tell me we were treated fairly by the refs and bunker in 2016. Please do. I cannot wait to hear your arguments....................

Yes I agree the Roosters did get robbed in at least 4 games in 2016 by incompetent refereeing but they still would not have made the 8.

[PeeGee]

Yes I agree the Roosters did get robbed in at least 4 games in 2016 by incompetent refereeing but they still would not have made the 8.

Agree 100%. didn't deserve to be in the 8.

But not only were we robbed, some of the 'momentum swing' type ref decisions during games absolutely smashed our fairly inexperienced, out-of-form team.

[milanja]

I must admit BUDDY I do not have the memory or the recall that you have on all the past games. I have trouble remembering what my wife was saying to me last night, hehehe.
Now that you mention it I do remember the Casty no try against Penrith & I do remember at the time thinking that it was a far try but I dont remember much else of the game other than getting beaten by one of the Roosters bogey teams 19-18.

I dont have much recall of the Roosters v Cowboys game other than the Roosters being up 30 nil I think & then just winning 31-30 & thinking that the Roosters were not playing good enough to win the comp.

Then the preliminary final against Souths I just knew that we weren't going to win because I actually remember thinking that Souths were on fire & that there forwards were unstoppable. I didnt take much notice of penalty counts I just remember thinking that G Burgess, Teo, Sutton & especially Big Sammy boy were playing outstanding tough footy. I also thought Inglis, Reynolds, Walker & Johnson were killing it.

I just listened to the post match press conference with Robbo & Mini after that prelim & these were some of the things Robbo said
“we didn’t get our last plays right, ran it twice on the last”
“it was there for the taking but we were outplayed”
“they had low errors, I thought they tackled really well, tough night & they deserved to win
”Mini said
“we were happy with the score at half time we just didn’t execute well enough in the second half"’
“they were to good on the night & credit to them”

Comments like what Robbo & Mini said didn’t indicate they thought they were robbed they never mentioned the penalty count being lob sided.

The Rd 26 game I thought was a ripper & I thought the Roosters were better that night not just because they won I actually thought they were the better side.

Everybody likes to focus on the casty no try,which i agree was a poor choice in not going to the video, but nobody seems to want to blame the things that we could control such as mini knocking that ball over in goal,poor field goal attemps and giving credit to soward for kicking a very tough field goal that we couldn't do from infront because we had useless kickers.

Injury prevented us beating melbourne in last years final, which then made us play dogs the week after (which i think we got some good calls in that match) instead of a week off and home semi, and then we go to brisbane and have 3 mind explosions by gifting them 3 tries to go behind 16-0, play an injured pearce who can't see out the game, and out in straight sets.

[PeeGee]

Everybody likes to focus on the casty no try,which i agree was a poor choice in not going to the video, but nobody seems to want to blame the things that we could control such as mini knocking that ball over in goal,poor field goal attemps and giving credit to soward for kicking a very tough field goal that we couldn't do from infront because we had useless kickers.

Injury prevented us beating melbourne in last years final, which then made us play dogs the week after (which i think we got some good calls in that match) instead of a week off and home semi, and then we go to brisbane and have 3 mind explosions by gifting them 3 tries to go behind 16-0, play an injured pearce who can't see out the game, and out in straight sets.

Those memories still hurt. Geeze didn't we play some psyched up teams in those two years. Souffs & Ponies. I remember that we were not exactly the majority of fans' choice to win at the games.......

Is it true that Pearce was sledging Souffs, calling em 'chokers' at 12-nil up.

[milanja]

Those memories still hurt. Geeze didn't we play some psyched up teams in those two years. Souffs & Ponies. I remember that we were not exactly the majority of fans' choice to win at the games.......

Is it true that Pearce was sledging Souffs, calling em 'chokers' at 12-nil up.

Oh gee i hope he wasn't, Thurston schooled him when he tried to trash talk him, and pearce out of all people shouldn't be sledging when he is so poor at origin and closing out big games for the chooks.

[Mickie Lane]

Oh gee i hope he wasn't, Thurston schooled him when he tried to trash talk him, and pearce out of all people shouldn't be sledging when he is so poor at origin and closing out big games for the chooks.

I agree.
After his Australia Day video I would think every player in the NRL would howl him down if he sledged anyone.

[Vasco]

So all the conspiracy theory nuts think the league is rigged but still watch it and what's their reason for handing us a premiership in 2013 then?

It was hardly handed to us.

[BUDDY]

I must admit BUDDY I do not have the memory or the recall that you have on all the past games. I have trouble remembering what my wife was saying to me last night, hehehe.
Now that you mention it I do remember the Casty no try against Penrith & I do remember at the time thinking that it was a far try but I dont remember much else of the game other than getting beaten by one of the Roosters bogey teams 19-18.

I dont have much recall of the Roosters v Cowboys game other than the Roosters being up 30 nil I think & then just winning 31-30 & thinking that the Roosters were not playing good enough to win the comp.

Then the preliminary final against Souths I just knew that we weren't going to win because I actually remember thinking that Souths were on fire & that there forwards were unstoppable. I didnt take much notice of penalty counts I just remember thinking that G Burgess, Teo, Sutton & especially Big Sammy boy were playing outstanding tough footy. I also thought Inglis, Reynolds, Walker & Johnson were killing it.

I just listened to the post match press conference with Robbo & Mini after that prelim & these were some of the things Robbo said
“we didn’t get our last plays right, ran it twice on the last”
“it was there for the taking but we were outplayed”
“they had low errors, I thought they tackled really well, tough night & they deserved to win
”Mini said
“we were happy with the score at half time we just didn’t execute well enough in the second half"’
“they were to good on the night & credit to them”

Comments like what Robbo & Mini said didn’t indicate they thought they were robbed they never mentioned the penalty count being lob sided.

The Rd 26 game I thought was a ripper & I thought the Roosters were better that night not just because they won I actually thought they were the better side.

Robbo was not one to bag referees until he finally got stuck into Cummins.
I am sure you recall nearly everyone on here at one stage or another screaming for Robbo to say something against us being screwed over and over.
So I wouldn't use the argument he didn't say anything after being kicked out in a semi final.
It would have been against everything he stood for prior and would sound like sour grapes after being eliminated. Not many coaches say anything after being eliminated because it serves no purpose....except maybe the Cowboys.
Seeing you had time to go and look for this particular interview go and watch the game again and look for the game thread and maybe you yourself may have had similar feelings about being refereed out of that game.

[eddie]

Too many conspiracy theories here based off not giving teams credit and admitting we can't win the comp every year

Rubbish.
I haven't even stated my conspiracy theory yet..............Wanna hear it?

Accusing fans who complain about the nrl's manipulation of expecting to win every year and not appreciating other teams abilities is a cop out.
Having only seen 4 grand final victories in my lifetime I gotta be a realist.
Most teams have periods when they are up and times when they are down. I dislike teams being hobbled when they're in an nrl manufactured "premiership window".

I repeat, It is an open admission by the nrl that one of their goals is to have a different premier every year.

[Mickie Lane]

Robbo was not one to bag referees until he finally got stuck into Cummins.
I am sure you recall nearly everyone on here at one stage or another screaming for Robbo to say something against us being screwed over and over.
So I wouldn't use the argument he didn't say anything after being kicked out in a semi final.
It would have been against everything he stood for prior and would sound like sour grapes after being eliminated. Not many coaches say anything after being eliminated because it serves no purpose....except maybe the Cowboys.
Seeing you had time to go and look for this particular interview go and watch the game again and look for the game thread and maybe you yourself may have had similar feelings about being refereed out of that game.

I'll just stick with what I heard Robbo say not what a disgruntled Rooster supporter says.

[Guest]

Mate people just saw their first ever premiership in 50 years on the weekend and you're crying about seeing 4? The game isn't manipulated just because you think it is. Where are the nrl open about wanting new teams winning every year? If that's their mission they've failed badly because in the last 10 seasons we've had 7 premiers and between 2007 and 2012 there were only three premiers. Ya maths don't add up son. I also never heard of this nrl mission to hand the premiership around can you show me where that mission statement is? Cheers

It was hardly handed to us.

Of course not, every premiership except 2002 and 2013 was handed out with raffle tickets

[eddie]

Mate people just saw their first ever premiership in 50 years on the weekend and you're crying about seeing 4? The game isn't manipulated just because you think it is. Where are the nrl open about wanting new teams winning every year? If that's their mission they've failed badly because in the last 10 seasons we've had 7 premiers and between 2007 and 2012 there were only three premiers. Ya maths don't add up son. I also never heard of this nrl mission to hand the premiership around can you show me where that mission statement is? Cheers


Of course not, every premiership except 2002 and 2013 was handed out with raffle tickets

Crying?
Geez you're a fcking idiot.

The game isn't above board just because you think it is.

Mission statement?
What planet are you from?

If you think they've failed badly when no team has managed to go back to back for over 20 yrs you should check your own math..............................ummm .............dad.

Brains ain't your strong suit I guess, but at least you're very good at putting words in other peoples mouths and being patronising.