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  • Unconcious bias - Jared Maxwell

    I don't want to get into conspiracy theories and question anyone's integrity here because quite frankly there's no facts pointing to such but what I do know is yet again from Jared Maxwell we didn't get a fair crack.

    The same can be said for Ben Cummins and the facts back it up, under these two referees we have the worst penalty ratio (that's penalties for compared to penalties against) out of all 16 NRL teams and that's no surprise to us, I think all agree they're the two who we continually have issues with.

    Unconscious bias is something that's been studied overseas and proven to be prevalent in officials of sporting codes, granted most studies done have been around country of birth but without doubt other biases could exist. Now I don't for a second believe that Cummins or Maxwell go out with the intent to advantage or disadvantage either team, I believe like players they are proffesionals who go out with the intention of having the best game possible and that includes remaining impartial. But humans are emotional creatures and studies show us that in the heat of a game uncious bias does exist in sporting officials.

    I think the solution to this is a complex one but we must start with transparency and that has to involve the fans. The NRL has created a bubble around officials and that's dangerous, they've gagged coaches and they use terminology like 'following the process' to avoid accepting accountability.

    Rather than building an environment that would encourage the growth of unconscious bias in referees we need to have a discussion about it, an educated and informed one but I fear that we're so regressive as a game it'll never happen and the current issues with officials will only continue to manifest.

    A lot of people will dismiss any concerns about unfair officiating by saying we were just extremely undisciplined today and we only have ourselves to blame but when we got penalised as harshly and consistently as we did I think we have every right to ask the question why some of the infringements the Warriors made went unpunished?

    I'm not saying we would have won but we deserved the chance to at least have a fair crack, I'll leave a photo 5 minutes out from full time (scores @ 12-10). Says it all really.


  • #2
    Well said. Agree wholeheartedly, although I'm not so sure it's unconscious bias, just think it's plain one sided officiating. When you look for infringements on a particular team/player you'll find them.

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    • #3
      Have to agree,remember how long he looked at the head high on Toops in the in goal & never awarded us the penalty.
      The world is full of Kings & Queens,who blind your eye's & steal your dreams!

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      • #4
        I'll go further. There is a bad smell about the NRL and has been for a while.
        Unlike other sports, the influence of referees on results is significantly greater. When you mix sponsorship of the sport with betting agencies and it is a disaster brewing.

        The NRL needs transparency to consistently demonstrate to fans it is clean. For mine, they go out of their way to create an environment where Ref's cannot be challenged. It smells, they know it smells and the smell is getting worse and they won't act. If I were in charge, I'd empower the "integrity unit" to review every match from players, coaches and officials to sniff for any hint of poor hygiene.
        Written and published on behalf of the Liberal Party, Queensland

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        • #5
          1st of all Cummins is a cheat when it comes to our gamrs there is nothing unconscious about it him He is well aware of what he is doing 2ndly It is not touch football where the defence has to wait for the acting half to touch the ball before moving forward off the line. On top of that unlike touch footy where you have to have both feet on the line to be onside In league you only need one foot on the line to be onside With all of this in mind the picture shown is a ridiculous example of us beong ripped off Under the rules of Rugby League there is nothing there to suggest any of those players are offside Should i be behind and have missed rule changes that make ehat im saying wrong somebody please show me the rule book where it says players can only move up once the ball has cleared the ruck and dummy half has touched it
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Andrew Walker View Post
            1st of all Cummins is a cheat when it comes to our gamrs there is nothing unconscious about it him He is well aware of what he is doing 2ndly It is not touch football where the defence has to wait for the acting half to touch the ball before moving forward off the line. On top of that unlike touch footy where you have to have both feet on the line to be onside In league you only need one foot on the line to be onside With all of this in mind the picture shown is a ridiculous example of us beong ripped off Under the rules of Rugby League there is nothing there to suggest any of those players are offside Should i be behind and have missed rule changes that make ehat im saying wrong somebody please show me the rule book where it says players can only move up once the ball has cleared the ruck and dummy half has touched it
            Yep penalising us for good line speed,probably thought we didn't have it in us!
            The world is full of Kings & Queens,who blind your eye's & steal your dreams!

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            • #7
              6-0 penalties second half 2014 preliminary final Roosters vs Souths.

              They know what they're doing.

              Good post tho R6

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              • #8
                Originally posted by infidelrooster View Post

                Yep penalising us for good line speed,probably thought we didn't have it in us!
                That is another point all together The non penalty when Hargreaves punched through the line and a player came back in around the ruck late in the game is an issue The photo shown is a non issue
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Andrew Walker View Post
                  1st of all Cummins is a cheat when it comes to our gamrs there is nothing unconscious about it him He is well aware of what he is doing 2ndly It is not touch football where the defence has to wait for the acting half to touch the ball before moving forward off the line. On top of that unlike touch footy where you have to have both feet on the line to be onside In league you only need one foot on the line to be onside With all of this in mind the picture shown is a ridiculous example of us beong ripped off Under the rules of Rugby League there is nothing there to suggest any of those players are offside Should i be behind and have missed rule changes that make ehat im saying wrong somebody please show me the rule book where it says players can only move up once the ball has cleared the ruck and dummy half has touched it

                  Matulino in the middle of the field... Must be extraordinarily fast to get to that position by the time our dummy half touches the ball. He's a good 3 or 4 metres clear of the line.

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                  • #10
                    The same rule can be applied to fans who believe that their team is hard done by and everything they do is correct and everything the opposition team does is incorrect.

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                    • #11
                      bag me if you wish but i have a feeling that somewhere in alkl this the betting agencies are involved, control of the gane via bunker, 2 refs gagging refs and coaches is a farcical example of total control, i suppose when big money is at stake control is vital? its previously been provan in tugby league that a ref was involved in gambling trhe refs name was darcey lawler yes a long time ago but monery is money?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Andrew Walker View Post
                        1st of all Cummins is a cheat when it comes to our gamrs there is nothing unconscious about it him He is well aware of what he is doing 2ndly It is not touch football where the defence has to wait for the acting half to touch the ball before moving forward off the line. On top of that unlike touch footy where you have to have both feet on the line to be onside In league you only need one foot on the line to be onside With all of this in mind the picture shown is a ridiculous example of us beong ripped off Under the rules of Rugby League there is nothing there to suggest any of those players are offside Should i be behind and have missed rule changes that make ehat im saying wrong somebody please show me the rule book where it says players can only move up once the ball has cleared the ruck and dummy half has touched it
                        I couldn't get a freeze frame between the split second it left his foot to the moment Watson touched it but you'll have to use your imagination. Some extreme acceleration there.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Braith Anasta's Wallet View Post
                          The same rule can be applied to fans who believe that their team is hard done by and everything they do is correct and everything the opposition team does is incorrect.
                          There is just no way to defend a 10 - 3 penalty count (one of which was from the bunker) in a game that was pretty even in terms of who was dominating. The penalties that led to goals were hard to argue with, but I don't believe there was only 1 team infringing as the count suggests.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Waerea-Beast! View Post


                            Matulino in the middle of the field... Must be extraordinarily fast to get to that position by the time our dummy half touches the ball. He's a good 3 or 4 metres clear of the line.
                            Not really Matulino is 193 centimetres tall Ive just done a quick check i am much shorter yet when I have had one foot on line Ive measured i can stretch my front leg close to 1.5 metres As Matulino is taller younger and i would say more flexible than me he would be able to have one foot on the line and extend his other leg even further forward I then followed up by taking off moving forward with my back leg and measured this to me moving forward 3metres with one step again Matulino is quite a bit taller than me so he wilk move even further forward than i was capable of with this on mind it appears as though Matulino is onside
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                            • #15
                              I wouldn't mind being an NRL referee.

                              You can be totally shite with zero ramifications.

                              80 minutes of so called work per week plus fitness training (which most of us do anyways) for $150k a year.

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