Mason to the Storm?

[Rooster_6]

Needless to say, neither of them were released, and Grothe in particular had his best season in a while.

But surely Rooster 6, as the long time Roosters supporter that you are, surely your eyes haven't become so red white and blue that you're unable to acknowledge that we have an absolutely disastrous record when it comes to recruitment. So may of the name players we buy come here and do not produce. We buy at the top of the market, and sell on the way down. Shillington. For once, we do things the right way, and nurture a young forward. He gets to age 26, is just starting to blossom, starts making some rep sides, and is on the way up. What do we do? Let him go. All the time that was invested in him goes down the drain. He'll go great for Canberra over the next few years. Now we need another prop. What do we do? Bring 31 yo Ryles back from England. Reminds me of O'Meley the year before. Another big name signed at the top of the market. Mason the same. Anasta the same. Spin the wheel again Nick. Didn't work? Oh well, just pay 1/2 the contract and someone else gets a bargain. We never get bargains.

Spin the wheel Nick

Grothe had an awesome season if you turn a blind eye on his defence... we already knew he had a great attacking game when he was in the mood for it. No mention of Finchy though... ?

Yeh I agree with you about Shillo but a little of topic we're talking about recruitment here not retention.

Don't see what's wrong with Anasta's signing? Proven to be one of the better signings by quite some distance. Or are you one of those people still struggling to get over the fact that he has a bulldogs tattoo on his arm?

Mark O'meley was 26 when we signed him? In one paragraph you went from stating that it's the peak age for props to it being on the down? In hindsight it's easy to say he had plenty of injuries and granted plenty of people were saying that at the time but they were also the people who didn't want Civo to join our club when he was strongly linked at the same time because he was "to old". O'meley was very good for us in his first year... in fact won the Jack Gibson award if I remember correctly... no one could've predicted the 2 refs would bring his down fall.

Mase well forget his off field shit and he really hasn't had a chance. People take 12 months to recover from knee injuries and most of our fans only gave him a couple of weeks.

Remembering that Politis also brought Gould and Fittler arguably one of the greatest coaches and players in recent times I can't say I'm too worried about a few not coming off because by and large how many were actually spins of the wheel? Mason and.... well no one bar Carney who is still up for judgment.

[Guest]

Mason and his manager have been to France and Japan and Bondi only...

Apparently not:

http://forums.sidheinteractive.com/s...ason+Melbourne

Storm fan three quarters of the way down on that page claims to have seen Willy with CEO Waldrom in Melbourne. Could be complete rubbish, but hope it's true.

[Guest]

Grothe had an awesome season if you turn a blind eye on his defence... we already knew he had a great attacking game when he was in the mood for it. No mention of Finchy though... ?

Yeh I agree with you about Shillo but a little of topic we're talking about recruitment here not retention.

Don't see what's wrong with Anasta's signing? Proven to be one of the better signings by quite some distance. Or are you one of those people still struggling to get over the fact that he has a bulldogs tattoo on his arm?

Mark O'meley was 26 when we signed him? In one paragraph you went from stating that it's the peak age for props to it being on the down? In hindsight it's easy to say he had plenty of injuries and granted plenty of people were saying that at the time but they were also the people who didn't want Civo to join our club when he was strongly linked at the same time because he was "to old". O'meley was very good for us in his first year... in fact won the Jack Gibson award if I remember correctly... no one could've predicted the 2 refs would bring his down fall.

Mase well forget his off field shit and he really hasn't had a chance. People take 12 months to recover from knee injuries and most of our fans only gave him a couple of weeks.

Remembering that Politis also brought Gould and Fittler arguably one of the greatest coaches and players in recent times I can't say I'm too worried about a few not coming off because by and large how many were actually spins of the wheel? Mason and.... well no one bar Carney who is still up for judgment.

I couldn't care less what tattoos Anasta has, if he's "proven to one of the better signings by quite some distance" then that just highlights my point that our recruitment is terrible, because there's no way in the world Anasta is worth the ludicrous money he's getting.

But if you, as a Roosters supporter, are genuinely happy with our recruitment policy and the value we've gotten from the players and the coaches we've recruited over the last 5 years, then I'm happy for you

[Rooster_6]

I couldn't care less what tattoos Anasta has, if he's "proven to one of the better signings by quite some distance" then that just highlights my point that our recruitment is terrible, because there's no way in the world Anasta is worth the ludicrous money he's getting.

But if you, as a Roosters supporter, are genuinely happy with our recruitment policy and the value we've gotten from the players and the coaches we've recruited over the last 5 years, then I'm happy for you

No where did I say I was happy my argument is against your attack on Politis saying he "spins the wheel" in effect taking a gamble. Each signing was a calculated risk and the variables that made them failures at our club were very unpredictable. Like I said could you have picked the 2 referees would've brought the downfall of Mark O'meley?

If you want to keep blaming Politis for the situation we are in then please continue but don't even mention rose colored glasses because your narrow minded thinking is no different. Who knew a board consisted of one bloke.

[Guest]

No where did I say I was happy my argument is against your attack on Politis saying he "spins the wheel" in effect taking a gamble. Each signing was a calculated risk and the variables that made them failures at our club were very unpredictable. Like I said could you have picked the 2 referees would've brought the downfall of Mark O'meley?

If you want to keep blaming Politis for the situation we are in then please continue but don't even mention rose colored glasses because your narrow minded thinking is no different. Who knew a board consisted of one bloke.

Of course each signing is a calculated risk. My point is that buying big names at the top of the market is a low percentage play and as such increases that risk.

You seem to place an awful lot of blame on the 2 refs policy for bringing O'meley undone. Has it affected any other props, or just him? Why has it affected him more than others? Regardless, spending big money on a guy like him after all his injuries is a low percentage play. 26 yo, but physically perhaps 30, and it was always highly likely that his best days were behind him. I know hindsight is a wonderful thing, but you talk about calculated risk. Top dollar + ageing player = low percentage option = high risk.

Ryles is another who fits the low percentage/high risk model perfectly

[Guest]

Just heard something about Mason going to the Storm dependent on whether they can move Lima to the Tigers or us.

Wont happen. They shifted Johnson so they wouldnt have to give up Lima. They have back rowers ready. Bit thin up front though.

[Hawkeye]

I don't think it was the 'two ref' system per se that brought O'Meley (and us) undone.
Moreso it was our lack of training and preparation, and the team adjusting to the two-ref concept, interpretation and speed of the ruck.

[Guest]

I would enjoy that too. If we don't make the 8 for a couple of seasons that's ok, because we're building towards something

the most painful part of Shillo's departure was knowing that there are perenially underperforming contracted players at the club getting paid well above what it would have cost to keep him. But if Ryles can stay on the paddock, have a genuine crack, and provide some leadership for the younger guys, then good

Sorry, I always thought shillo was a softy!
he never hits the line with speed and power.

[Guest]

Sorry, I always thought shillo was a softy!
he never hits the line with speed and power.

the only people who think he's a softy post on this forum

The Qld Origin selectors and the Kangaroo selectors don't think he's a softy. Nor do the Raiders

[Guest]

the only people who think he's a softy post on this forum

The Qld Origin selectors and the Kangaroo selectors don't think he's a softy. Nor do the Raiders

Well that's my thoughts about shillo,

Also VERY HAPPY we dont have shackleton with us either, consistant but never the damaging forward i expected him to be.

JWH & Ryles

do you see the difference!

[Guest]

Mason will play for the roosters in 2010

[melon....]

Mason will play for the roosters in 2010

Aye Aye Captain!

[Hawkeye]

Mason will play for the roosters in 2010

Atherton Roosters ?

[Chookies74]

The Qld Origin selectors and the Kangaroo selectors don't think he's a softy.

Pure Politics, Price and Petero will retire, Hannant will lead them, they need some help so the QLD selectors push him for the tour for experience.
When the Pillo plays Origin, NSW will win

[Rooster_6]

Of course each signing is a calculated risk. My point is that buying big names at the top of the market is a low percentage play and as such increases that risk.

You seem to place an awful lot of blame on the 2 refs policy for bringing O'meley undone. Has it affected any other props, or just him? Why has it affected him more than others? Regardless, spending big money on a guy like him after all his injuries is a low percentage play. 26 yo, but physically perhaps 30, and it was always highly likely that his best days were behind him. I know hindsight is a wonderful thing, but you talk about calculated risk. Top dollar + ageing player = low percentage option = high risk.

Ryles is another who fits the low percentage/high risk model perfectly

Not many people play the game the way O'meley did, hence not that many other props struggled. Miller probably the only one who I can liken to him and even he had a decrease in performances.... although a little younger and a much better training regime it seemed got him over the line in the end. Cayless was another one who took a long time to adjust to the faster game... it's mainly the mobility & lateral defence that they struggled with I just don't think the time was invested there with O'meley as it was with Cayless and Miller hence why he probably and unfairly in my opinion was one whose career was undone by the 2 referees.

Ryles is far from on the same dollars as Mase & O'meley were on to come here. In fact he is our bargain... he will/should be NSW starting prop although the idiots will no doubt leave him out of the side. The last series we won who was our starting prop? Coincidence? I doubt it. Logic seems to have escaped our selectors lately. Ryles unlike O'meley bases his game around being a work horse much like Price, Civo and our man Fitzy he'll prove that he's still as good as ever... it's players like Webcke who base their game on being an enforcer who usually retire early (although in saying that we should still bring Muz home )