NZ v Wigan Warriors @ 5;30pm today channel 501 FS1

[Andrew Walker]

What's painful is our RHS defence;

Watch and weep;

54 seconds along...Manly's first try...check out our RHS defence.

2m 29 secs along...Manly's third try...our even worse RHS defence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb0miramk6U

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Even the best defensive sides has it frailties in defence The RHS side defence was in all essence a small weakness

Where you have really outdone yourself in this thread was by saying the Wigan goalkicker has Maloney covered based on one sideline conversation When he missed about 5 kicks from out wide last night I have seen Maloney kick them from out wide on a very regular basis last year Watch the GF again for a little reminder of that

[Kingsgrove-Loiner]

What's painful is our RHS defence;

Watch and weep;

54 seconds along...Manly's first try...check out our RHS defence.

2m 29 secs along...Manly's third try...our even worse RHS defence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb0miramk6U

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That's pathetic really mate, every team concedes tries....especially out wide. The whole point of the game is to try and create an extra man.

Obviously, the fact that we had the best defence in the comp last year has passed you by.......

[bondi-boy]

That's pathetic really mate, every team concedes tries....especially out wide. The whole point of the game is to try and create an extra man.

Obviously, the fact that we had the best defence in the comp last year has passed you by.......

Oh no it hasn't.
As our coach has said...what we did last year won't be good enough this year.

Our RHS defence needs fixing, at least improving a lot.

Hopefully what happened in the last few seconds of the GF is indicative.
Players got across to our RHS and stopped the try.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb0miramk6U

[stsae]

I don't know the stats but from what I see most RHS defences are slightly weaker.

The reasoning I have is most LHS attacks are slightly better due to most 1/2s being right handed and naturally passing right to left is more natural for a right hander.

Also being a RHS defender you naturally use your left shoulder more in defence.

Not an excuse of course just a general observation.



BongdiBoy do you realise we were the best defensive side last season???

What is your suggestion for strengthening our RHS defence???

[Rooster_6]

Our RHS defence was ranked number 1 in the comp for fewest tries let through, quite a feat when you remember that Merritt grabbed a hattrick in round 1 down that side.

[stsae]

Our RHS defence was ranked number 1 in the comp for fewest tries let through, quite a feat when you remember that Merritt grabbed a hattrick in round 1 down that side.

Golden.

I await BongdiBoys reasoning with mass-da-bated breath.

[bondi-boy]

I don't know the stats but from what I see most RHS defences are slightly weaker.

The reasoning I have is most LHS attacks are slightly better due to most 1/2s being right handed and naturally passing right to left is more natural for a right hander.

Also being a RHS defender you naturally use your left shoulder more in defence.

Not an excuse of course just a general observation.



1. BongdiBoy do you realise we were the best defensive side last season???

2. What is your suggestion for strengthening our RHS defence???

1. I do. I saw the magnificient defence of our players in the GF, especially in the last 30 minutes...in the games leading up to it, and in most games last season.

2. Bearing mind that I've never played or coached the game...I suggest that the winger stays on the wing, making sure the opposition winger or any other player never gets on the outside of him.
I also suggest that the centre stays in the centre where he's supposed to be, marking his opposite number.
Also, that as the play comes out to the backs, the forwards, halfback, and fullback rush across to cover any gaps...a la final few seconds of the GF.

[Rooster_6]

2. Bearing mind that I've never played or coached the game...I suggest that the winger stays on the wing, making sure the opposition winger or any other player never gets on the outside of him.
I also suggest that the centre stays in the centre where he's supposed to be, marking his opposite number.
Also, that as the play comes out to the backs, the forwards, halfback, and fullback rush across to cover any gaps...a la final few seconds of the GF.

In a perfect world what you say makes logical sense but the game has long progressed from man on man marking. Sweep plays and block plays make it easy for a side to get a 3 on 2 or a 4 on 3. It's common in a lot of sides now for the winger to jam in and attempt to shut the play down with the halfback & 2nd rower required to work hard to come across in cover.

You say that the defending in the last few seconds was good but RTS does exactly what I described above, he doesn't stay on his man he jams in and forces the centre to make a decision and Pearce (Halfback) & SBW (2nd rower) + fullback all come across in cover and bundle the winger out of play.

I also think what you're forgetting is that it's easy to blame the centre and winger, they're the last players on the edge of a defensive line, just like the goalie is the last line of defence in a soccer team. So much of what happens out wide depends on what's happening inside them & because of that they often get incorrectly blamed like you did by blaming them for the 3rd try in the Grand Final.

If you watch the full game and not just the highlights you'll see that Watmough makes a mockery of our defence in the middle and if not for Pearce coming in field and pulling off a try saver he probably would've scored. But because Pearce has had to jam in to cover his forwards asses the right edge is now left short. Count the numbers it's 5 on 4 and that close to the line with such a scattered and out of position defensive line it's just a matter of putting it through the hands. That wasn't poor defence from our RHS it was poor defence from our middle third defenders.

[stsae]

1. I do. I saw the magnificient defence of our players in the GF, especially in the last 30 minutes...in the games leading up to it, and in most games last season.

2. Bearing mind that I've never played or coached the game...I suggest that the winger stays on the wing, making sure the opposition winger or any other player never gets on the outside of him.
I also suggest that the centre stays in the centre where he's supposed to be, marking his opposite number.
Also, that as the play comes out to the backs, the forwards, halfback, and fullback rush across to cover any gaps...a la final few seconds of the GF.

Different sides play with different defensive patterns mate. Two of the most commonly used are the slide and up and in.

The slide is more compressed allowing defenders to slide out towards the wings as the ball is shifted in a play.

The up and in is more spread and umbrella like as the winger and centre move up and in and try to cut a play off before the ball reaches the wingers.

Most teams actually now use a combination of both defences depending on the opposition or the time in a game or the position on the field.

Your approach is simplistic and rigid IMO. Our game is flowing and coaches continually attempt to "fool" the defence by running decoys and trick plays to gain advantage.

Basically the best defences, ours namely, are constantly working and adjusting to what is thrown at them. No one pattern will be successful these days at the top level. It will be broken down and exploited very quickly. A smartly coached side will catch on mid game and have the attacking structures to make a one dimensional defence look just that, one dimensional.

I suggest great defence, our defence, is 50% structure and 50% attitude. If you want to make the effort more often than not, combined with smart coaching, you will defend your line.

I also suggest little will be done to improve our already rock solid defence this season. Sure some technical fine tuning but if they want to defend their line they will, they have proven they have the attitude to do so.

I believe our attack is where Trenticles plans to ramp up the ante this season. Last year we started slow in attack and used our players freakish individual talents and enthusiastic backing up to destroy sides, on the back of sick defence.

I get the feeling this season we will be looking to combine better in attack and show some set plays that haven't been seen before by this squad.

Just my thoughts on the year ahead.

Try to enjoy. Less stress brother.

Are you and Oracle related by any chance???

[Andrew Walker]

Our RHS defence was ranked number 1 in the comp for fewest tries let through, quite a feat when you remember that Merritt grabbed a hattrick in round 1 down that side.

Interesting stat. Can you post this for all to see ? Or can you tell us where this information was sourced from ? Mind you we did have the best defence all year by quite a distance So it is not a great shock

[Andrew Walker]

Different sides play with different defensive patterns mate. Two of the most commonly used are the slide and up and in.

The slide is more compressed allowing defenders to slide out towards the wings as the ball is shifted in a play.

The up and in is more spread and umbrella like as the winger and centre move up and in and try to cut a play off before the ball reaches the wingers.

Most teams actually now use a combination of both defences depending on the opposition or the time in a game or the position on the field.

Your approach is simplistic and rigid IMO. Our game is flowing and coaches continually attempt to "fool" the defence by running decoys and trick plays to gain advantage.

Basically the best defences, ours namely, are constantly working and adjusting to what is thrown at them. No one pattern will be successful these days at the top level. It will be broken down and exploited very quickly. A smartly coached side will catch on mid game and have the attacking structures to make a one dimensional defence look just that, one dimensional.

I suggest great defence, our defence, is 50% structure and 50% attitude. If you want to make the effort more often than not, combined with smart coaching, you will defend your line.

I also suggest little will be done to improve our already rock solid defence this season. Sure some technical fine tuning but if they want to defend their line they will, they have proven they have the attitude to do so.

I believe our attack is where Trenticles plans to ramp up the ante this season. Last year we started slow in attack and used our players freakish individual talents and enthusiastic backing up to destroy sides, on the back of sick defence.

I get the feeling this season we will be looking to combine better in attack and show some set plays that haven't been seen before by this squad.

Just my thoughts on the year ahead.

Try to enjoy. Less stress brother.

Are you and Oracle related by any chance???

Cmon stsae I think BB handled that quite well Defiantely agree with the defence being that of structure and attitude

[Guest]

What's painful is our RHS defence;

Watch and weep;

54 seconds along...Manly's first try...check out our RHS defence.

2m 29 secs along...Manly's third try...our even worse RHS defence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb0miramk6U

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Your posts are as boring as a chick with no vagina.

We had the most clean sheets ever last season, the best way to win a game of footy is to outscore the opposition, they score 20, we score 21. if our RHS costs us 3 tries and they score us 4, all good in my books

[stsae]

Cmon stsae I think BB handled that quite well Defiantely agree with the defence being that of structure and attitude

So you don't think a winger should either show the sideline to an attacker or rush infield to break up an attacking option on the occasions where those defensive reads and variations are required???

What about when a kick is used to break up the defence???

Should a winger just stand opposite his winger in that case???

BongdiBoy offered a simplistic solution to an ever evolving problem in our game. No innovation or variance required.

I guarantee a basic man on man defensive structure like he suggested will be exploited quicker than AV Jennings can sniff out a meat pie.

Or are you just trying to drag the convo into something you pretend to dislike but we both know you only like when it's your good self pulling the pudd???

I'm going ome.

[Andrew Walker]

So you don't think a winger should either show the sideline to an attacker or rush infield to break up an attacking option on the occasions where those defensive reads and variations are required???

What about when a kick is used to break up the defence???

Should a winger just stand opposite his winger in that case???

BongdiBoy offered a simplistic solution to an ever evolving problem in our game. No innovation or variance required.

I guarantee a basic man on man defensive structure like he suggested will be exploited quicker than AV Jennings can sniff out a meat pie.

Or are you just trying to drag the convo into something you pretend to dislike but we both know you only like when it's your good self pulling the pudd???

I'm going ome.

It appears the nature my comment flew over your head. I found BBs post simplistic and amusing

PS You do a very good job when sticking to Rugby League Well done keep it up

[stsae]

It appears the nature my comment flew over your head. I found BBs post simplistic and amusing

PS You do a very good job when sticking to Rugby League Well done keep it up

I don't need Viagra.

I couldn't keep it down if I tried.