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  • #31
    The role of the winger is so definitive and specialised into such a limited skill set that, for most of the part, all you need is to basically catch and run into the line whilst being able to contort your body in such a way as to avoid the sideline. Plus know how to defend of course

    Mini fits that role perfectly. If anything, wingers (apart from props) pass the ball the least in the side

    So i don't see how the passing argument is valid, Newman

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Assyrian_Pimp View Post
      Ffs mini hang the boots....when is enough enough?
      Stop being a hater, His been fine this year.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Chook Norris View Post
        Fairly sure you don't need to pass much on the wing mate. Mini would be fine on the wing. He succeeded there back then on the right wing. He didn't need to have a great right to left pass back then, so why would he need one now?

        You don't see wingers pass the ball all that much. Often than not, they are running from dummy half and hitting it up, or dying with the ball once the ball reaches his side of the field.

        Passing is not an issue

        Wingers, in general, are fairly overrated. All you need is a good finisher to complete set moves nowadays. Mini is fairly reliable in that regard
        back when he was a winger he had pace, now he does not. look at the tries the young tigers winger scored and then set up with pure pace, mini would of been caught in the 1st 10m.

        the club owes mini no favours, and he should not be treated like a charity case.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Newman View Post
          Just to clarify your position please Tom. Are you suggesting that if you are a legend you should just be continued to be offered playing contracts for as long as the legend wishes, irrespective on whether it is the right thing for the team or not? So there is no time in a legends career that the club can call a halt?
          That's correct. I think Minichiello should be offered a contract for as long as he wants one.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Chook Norris View Post
            The role of the winger is so definitive and specialised into such a limited skill set that[/B], for most of the part, all you need is to basically catch and run into the line whilst being able to contort your body in such a way as to avoid the sideline. Plus know how to defend of course[B]

            Mini fits that role perfectly. If anything, wingers (apart from props) pass the ball the least in the side

            So i don't see how the passing argument is valid, Newman
            I couldn't disagree more, the wingers role is one of the most undervalued positions in the modern day game.

            The pressure they're put under to defuse kicks far exceeds what fullbacks deal with on a weekly basis for starters.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Tom Verlaine's Ghost View Post
              That's correct. I think Minichiello should be offered a contract for as long as he wants one.
              Well I can only say in response that I am relieved that you are not in control of our recruitment and retention. Having players determine when they should move on is certainly a unique method of retention - it is just one that I find difficult to comprehend.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Tom Verlaine's Ghost View Post
                That's correct. I think Minichiello should be offered a contract for as long as he wants one.

                haha-here fishy fishy fishy.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Newman View Post
                  Well I can only say in response that I am relieved that you are not in control of our recruitment and retention. Having players determine when they should move on is certainly a unique method of retention - it is just one that I find difficult to comprehend.
                  Not just "players" -- club legends.

                  It's not hard to comprehend, really -- club legends should be treated with the greatest of respect, and shown loyalty. I doubt Mini would take advantage of the arrangement by playing on longer than he should.

                  I think he's been in great form. I see no reason why he shouldn't continue.

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                  • #39
                    simple just ask trent. should we or shouldn't we???
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Tom Verlaine's Ghost View Post
                      Not just "players" -- club legends.

                      It's not hard to comprehend, really -- club legends should be treated with the greatest of respect, and shown loyalty. I doubt Mini would take advantage of the arrangement by playing on longer than he should.

                      I think he's been in great form. I see no reason why he shouldn't continue.
                      Whether the player is a 'legend' or a scrubber, I would not be comfortable with our recruitment and retention staff being taken out of such decision making and allowing self assesment to be used in these circumstances. It is also certainly questionable that an NRL fullback with three line breaks, one line break assist and one try assist through 15 games is in 'great form', but either way in a salary cap environment players can't make such determinations, particularly on themselves, when they would not be aware of the contractural status of the squad and future financial commitments of the club. We employ professionals for this purpose, and they must be left to make such calls. I know of no other professional teams that would relinquish such power and I wouldn't be comfortable if our club became the first to do so in world professional sport.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Tom Verlaine's Ghost View Post
                        Not just "players" -- club legends.

                        It's not hard to comprehend, really -- club legends should be treated with the greatest of respect, and shown loyalty. I doubt Mini would take advantage of the arrangement by playing on longer than he should.

                        I think he's been in great form. I see no reason why he shouldn't continue.
                        Mini's been living off what he did 10 years ago for a few seasons now.

                        Show him all the loyalty he deserves and give him a position somewhere within the club but it can't be a playing contract, he's one of the worst fullbacks currently running around in the comp and he's damaging what could be a great legacy.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Rooster_6 View Post
                          Mini's been living off what he did 10 years ago for a few seasons now.

                          Show him all the loyalty he deserves and give him a position somewhere within the club but it can't be a playing contract, he's one of the worst fullbacks currently running around in the comp and he's damaging what could be a great legacy.
                          Here here,Mini has been looked after the Club for many years now and i think it is time for him to do the right thing by the Club and retire..
                          Stop thinking about yourself Mini,do the honourable thing and retire!

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Newman View Post
                            Mate, with all due respect, it is pretty much common knowledge that Mini has been paid over the past few years the value of the long term player allowance (200k), thus enabling him to be salary cap free during this period. Next year, we have a number of other players that can claim that allowance so anything we pay Mini will come out of our top tier cap. His retention, at that sort of money, will definitely cost us at least one player from the roster. Finally, you may feel it is absurd to question the attributes of what a 34 year old winger (as he will be next year), who can't pass right to left and struggles to catch balls thrown at him at pace, can bring to a side in the NRL, but I would have thought it was at least an opinion worthy of respect and analysis.
                            How is his wage or any other players wage common knowledeg? thats bullsheet right there.

                            IMO he has the attributes to play on the wing and I dont see any depth for the wing especially with moga going down yet again. If we do re sign him it will be on our terms not his, we do need a winger and if anything we also need a back up as well that will get paid they wont be doing it on a second tier cap. Further more we dont know if he has any sponsors that may top up his pay!!!

                            If they do let him go so be it but its not our call or especially another persons crusade ala pettition or anyother means to try and put pressure on the club.
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                            • #44
                              Mini is not one of the worst fullbacks running around.

                              It just so happens that it's clearly the most talented position in the league right now. But even still, i'd take him over Zillman, young Moylan (for now), Locke, Norman, Bowen, or Tedesco. The rest are all pretty much superstars of the game.

                              I think the problem with Mini is that he has 1 absolute howler every couple of games that stands out in the memory which has unfairly influenced peoples opinions of his form this year. That and the fact we have potentially the greatest Roosters FB of all-time waiting to usurp him.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Newman View Post
                                Whether the player is a 'legend' or a scrubber, I would not be comfortable with our recruitment and retention staff being taken out of such decision making and allowing self assesment to be used in these circumstances. It is also certainly questionable that an NRL fullback with three line breaks, one line break assist and one try assist through 15 games is in 'great form', but either way in a salary cap environment players can't make such determinations, particularly on themselves, when they would not be aware of the contractural status of the squad and future financial commitments of the club. We employ professionals for this purpose, and they must be left to make such calls. I know of no other professional teams that would relinquish such power and I wouldn't be comfortable if our club became the first to do so in world professional sport.
                                Yeah, I'm not really interested in the "professional" side of things. I'm a bit old school and not quite so hard-nosed about it all. I'd prefer it if the game had stayed a suburban sport. "Financial status", "contractual status" -- all of this is bullshit, in my eyes. If Mini wants a new contract, I say give him one.

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