Maubs close to re-signing

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If my assertion is Aubusson is one of the best fringe defenders in the comp why wouldn't I support it with those stats? There's nothing misleading about them at all, I never presented those stats as the be all and end all of a players ability or even defensive ability.

His stats do say he is a good fringe defender. The stat doesn't discuss that he predominantly defending on our left side which doesn't and hasn't been mercifully attacked like our right side has. When you use them in a reply to a thread praising his resigning that's what I to reply to.

Happy with his game on a whole? Yes. I never made a comment about his attacking game so I don't feel the need to back anything up...

I made that point because based on what I see I wouldn't be signing him for 3 years on the back of his fringe defence, where he hasn't had high workload or effective attacking thrown at him. Regardless if he has defended well, I would like to see more from someone we are about to offer 3 years to. Whilst Maubs is playing left side I don't think we are going to see the best of his running game. The game I know he is capable of as right side side running backrower.


People don't like stats because they often undermine what they thought they saw and what they believe to be so true. Stats aren't clouded by the bias, past experiences or lack of knowledge. Put simply they're a great tool, when put into context they can reveal a lot, if you truly believe they mean 'next to little' then you're doing it wrong.

Stats aren't clouded by bias, but the way people use them they are. I think stats have there place. But you can't just use one stat to support an argument/decision etc without considering other stats and pieces of information, including observations. Put simply..... You can't sign a back-rower on the back of one outstanding, but in my opinion misleading stat.

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I love maubs, hes very underrated, imo. he won us a few games back in 2010 and he seemed to be scoring off pearce's hip at will.

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he has been good but wouldn't it be smarter to re-sign Napa and Langi first

Napa is already signed until the end of 2015

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Has he bulked up more? I would like to see him bigger.

I don't think Maubs is a long term option for centre but if someone went down he is the first guy I would put in there.

They way he plays I don't think much would change.

Anyway at the right price I'm happy to have him.

It's been a gradual bulking up, not like he's gone away over one off season and just put on a whole bunch of weight which you see with a lot of players these days.

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Stats aren't clouded by bias, but the way people use them they are. I think stats have there place. But you can't just use one stat to support an argument/decision etc without considering other stats and pieces of information, including observations. Put simply..... You can't sign a back-rower on the back of one outstanding, but in my opinion misleading stat.

I never said he should be signed on one stat, I just presented some stats to back up my assertion that he's one of the best defenders in the game.

Again how is Defensive efficiency a misleading stat? Please answer this.

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I never said he should be signed on one stat, I just presented some stats to back up my assertion that he's one of the best defenders in the game.

Again how is Defensive efficiency a misleading stat? Please answer this.

It's misleading because it doesn't take variables into account, stats are very black and white. In assessment of overall defence, and yes even effiency in defence it's the grey that is a massive factor in forming an opinion. Like defending on an edge, and it being an edge which has seen less potent attack coming at it. Like comparing edge backrowers with middle third backrowers. Like comparing players in form teams to players in teams who are coping hidings. Like comparing a player like Maubs (playing in a performing team) who has made 130 odd tackles this season to a player like Mannering (playing in a team who is underperforming) who has made 100 more than him.

But yes you're correct, this stat read simply supports your assertion that Maubs has good defence efficiency. Read as a complex stat/ in conjunction with other stats, observations and making comparisons it doesn't impress me as much as you.

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It's misleading because it doesn't take variables into account, stats are very black and white. In assessment of overall defence, and yes even effiency in defence it's the grey that is a massive factor in forming an opinion. Like defending on an edge, and it being an edge which has seen less potent attack coming at it. Like comparing edge backrowers with middle third backrowers. Like comparing players in form teams to players in teams who are coping hidings. Like comparing a player like Maubs (playing in a performing team) who has made 130 odd tackles this season to a player like Mannering (playing in a team who is underperforming) who has made 100 more than him.

But yes you're correct, this stat read simply supports your assertion that Maubs has good defence efficiency. Read as a complex stat/ in conjunction with other stats, observations and making comparisons it doesn't impress me as much as you.

Yes stats don't tell the whole story... but drawing assertions from them or using them to back up your assertions is perfectly fine and reasonable.

I'm not exactly sure what your point is, do you think I've used one stat over a 6 week period to form my opinnion on Mitchell Aubusson as a player? Because I quite clearly haven't...

Stats do need to be put into context and all variables need to be considered, I've never suggested otherwise. For example; David Taylor features so highly because he's playing less minutes this year and coming off the bench which means he's not playing under fatigue as much as he was at Souths.

Aubusson on the other hand has always had an exceptional defensive efficiency rate, his technique is superb thus it's fair to say that based on numerous years of consistent performance it's no surprise he's near the top of that list and it's not just that hes benefiting from an small sample size or change in role.

If the reader of the stats doesn't choose to consider these factors then it's their flaw, not the flaw of the statistics.

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Yes stats don't tell the whole story... but drawing assertions from them or using them to back up your assertions is perfectly fine and reasonable.

I'm not exactly sure what your point is, do you think I've used one stat over a 6 week period to form my opinnion on Mitchell Aubusson as a player? Because I quite clearly haven't...

Stats do need to be put into context and all variables need to be considered, I've never suggested otherwise. For example; David Taylor features so highly because he's playing less minutes this year and coming off the bench which means he's not playing under fatigue as much as he was at Souths.

Aubusson on the other hand has always had an exceptional defensive efficiency rate, his technique is superb thus it's fair to say that based on numerous years of consistent performance it's no surprise he's near the top of that list and it's not just that hes benefiting from an small sample size or change in role.

If the reader of the stats doesn't choose to consider these factors then it's their flaw, not the flaw of the statistics.

I considered the stat. Just not as highly as you have, to the point of bringing the stat into a conversation about a contract extension. Hence your assertions that it's significant, and mine that its not as significant. That stat and its validity is what I am discussing. I said that a number of times already. I read a lot of your posts and not for a minute do I think this is what you base your opinion of Maubs on.

My opinion on Maubs the player is not to different to yours... I think... I see his value. I am just not seeing it on field at the minute and I certainly don't see it through that stat. This stat, his previous performances over the years, coupled with the rest of his performances this year, the players we have waiting in the wings, and 1000 other question marks, I question wether it's enough to warrant that 3 year extension overall.

We disagree on the two points of a) Maubs warranting such an extension and b) the validity of that stat.

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I considered the stat. Just not as highly as you have, to the point of bringing the stat into a conversation about a contract extension. Hence your assertions that it's significant, and mine that its not as significant. That stat and its validity is what I am discussing. I said that a number of times already. I read a lot of your posts and not for a minute do I think this is what you base your opinion of Maubs on.

My opinion on Maubs the player is not to different to yours... I think... I see his value. I am just not seeing it on field at the minute and I certainly don't see it through that stat. This stat, his previous performances over the years, coupled with the rest of his performances this year, the players we have waiting in the wings, and 1000 other question marks, I question wether it's enough to warrant that 3 year extension overall.

We disagree on the two points of a) Maubs warranting such an extension and b) the validity of that stat.

Well at least now you're finally admitting you're questioning of the validity after I originally asked you if you thought it was a good way of judging defensive performances and you replied "Yes". Lets face it you don't like stats at all regardless of how diplomatic you're trying to remain about it all.

I also get the feeling you like many others on here favour attacking players over defensive players hence why you don't think Maubs deserves a contract extension.

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Top 20 Second Row defenders.

Qualifications;

- Made more than 100 tackles in 2013
- Played at least 4 games in the second row in 2013

Hey mate is there a website you get these stats from?

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Glad he's re-signed ! I was really hoping we wont lose him. On his day he runs some of the best lines. Smithy played around with him last year and was not good for his confidence. He seems a player that will thrive once his role is clearly defined... So I expect him to really flourish once he has signed and can concentrate on his footy

Smith played with a lot of players heads last year hence our terrible season and no harmony in the camp,I was in the sheds last week and you couldn't wipe the smile off JWH,Mini and Aubos faces after that win the boys have a lot of belief this year.

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Well at least now you're finally admitting you're questioning of the validity after I originally asked you if you thought it was a good way of judging defensive performances and you replied "Yes". Lets face it you don't like stats at all regardless of how diplomatic you're trying to remain about it all.

I also get the feeling you like many others on here favour attacking players over defensive players hence why you don't think Maubs deserves a contract extension.

I questioned the stats validity in relation to a three year extension from the start, and I am pretty sure I responded it is a good way to judge individuals defence efficency, but there are a number of other stats/observations to be considered before I start praising him for it, or using it as PART of my justification for a three year extension. I mentioned previously that stats have a place, and if you go back to reply number 29 I directly answered your question you keep bringing up. You're twisting words and so not to sound diplomatic anymore, I think you're being precious about it and my opinion on it. You can sit there until your hearts content and use 14 year old girl undertones like 'I get the feeling', 'like many others on here' and let's face it you don't like...' whilst I lose my diplomacy.

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I love forums.

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Hey mate is there a website you get these stats from?

Nah I collected them myself off the NRL website, I wish. Access to stats on the web is woeful since NRLstats started hiding their content.

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Isn't it a managers job to get the best deal possible for his client???

If its the best way to keep his clients happy, a package deal, I'd have thought the manager is doing his job???

Anyway I will be glad if this happens, re-signing with us, I have man-love for Maubs.

Nothing wrong with having a man crush on a player Stacey