Trent Robinson's effect on halfbacks?

[Rooster_6]

Don't know about his effect on halfbacks but I didn't like what I saw the other night.

We can't take much from one game, especially when they got smashed but I didn't like the structure.

Looked like some of the rubbish we have played. Halves standing too wide and deep, pushing the ball side to side behind the advantage line with a lack of lead runners.

I hope he understands what works over in that league won't work over here. The defence is much tougher in the NRL.

We should be working on two things the whole off season wrestling/ruck defence and structure in attack.

I'm not writing the guy off but with a rookie you never know what could happen.

But it did work in 2010, we played very deep in attack, our forwards were used as link men. I'm not sure why people would be so surprised to see Robinson employ this sort of style. It's just a different style of structure, not a lack of it, what I think you're hoping for is a high percentage game plan not a structural one.

Structure is just the way something is designed, there's definitely a sense of structure about what we did in 2010 and from there on in. There's a lot of room for off the cuff play and whilst that's always going to compromise structure somewhat it's not non-existent like everyone has been making out for the past year or two.

There's a difference between having no structure and playing a high percentage, forward dominant go forward and attack reliant on set plays. It's the latter which I think the majority of the forum want to see, but that doesn't define 'structure'.

I think we'll see a much more high percentage game plan from Robinson coming out of our own end given the team he's got but as soon as we're in an attacking position I expect we'll play with very deep back line movements. For those who watched Brisbane this year teams who are overly structured and play very flat in attack aren't successful unless they have playmakers with great vision.

[davos]

Cronulla finished 13th in 2011 and neither Matt Wright or Jeff Robson were playing in the spine then.

In fact in 2011 Cronulla's starting spine for the majority of the year was;

1. Gardner
6. Graham
7. Kelly/Townsend
9. Morris

In 2012 its been for the majority of the year

1. Wright
6. Carney
7. Robson
9. De Gois

I know you've only been here a short time but it's become quickly apparent to me that you talk a lot of shit.

I don't follow the sharks to know their roster and who is in that team, but I'll bet you anything that if Carney is not in that team then they will not make the finals. Same thing goes for our team in 2010. Luckily this year we have purchased Maloney and SBW. But those three hacks that spanner was talking about cannot win us a premiership playing if all of them are playing in the spine at once.

Instead of
1.Minichiello
6.Anasta
7.Pearce
9.Friend

I would like to see

1.RTS
6.Pearce
7.Maloney
9.Friend

Is that talking sh!t????

[Rooster_6]

I don't follow the sharks to know their roster and who is in that team, but I'll bet you anything that if Carney is not in that team then they will not make the finals. Same thing goes for our team in 2010. Luckily this year we have purchased Maloney and SBW. But those three hacks that spanner was talking about cannot win us a premiership playing if all of them are playing in the spine at once.

Instead of
1.Minichiello
6.Anasta
7.Pearce
9.Friend

I would like to see

1.RTS
6.Pearce
7.Maloney
9.Friend

Is that talking sh!t????

If you don't know the Sharks roster then why make assertions that it was the same 3 that had them in 2nd last in 2011. Firstly they didn't even finish 2nd last and secondly none of them were in the spine in 2011(apart from Morris who came off the bench this year). I can also guarantee that if Carney isn't there then Robson doesn't play, he played the simplest role of organising the squad because he was allowed to as Carney did (well should of) taken care of all the playmaking.

Pearce is an out and out halfback, he doesn't have the running game to ever be a good 5/8. Maloney will be the 5/8 and he'll basically play like an extra fullback in attack running lines off Pearce, Cordner, FPN & SBW (any forwards who have some ball playing ability) much like he did at the Warriors when he used to run lines of Johnson & Mateo. Maloney is a good organiser but he's not in the same class as Pearce, would be ridiculous to switch them around.

[Jollyjock]

[QUOTE=davos;252732]I don't follow the sharks to know their roster and who is in that team, but I'll bet you anything that if Carney is not in that team then they will not make the finals. Same thing goes for our team in 2010. Luckily this year we have purchased Maloney and SBW. But those three hacks that spanner was talking about cannot win us a premiership playing if all of them are playing in the spine at once.

Instead of
1.Minichiello
6.Anasta
7.Pearce
9.Friend

I would like to see

1.RTS
6.Pearce
7.Maloney
9.Friend

Is that talking sh!t????[/QUOTE]

Yes Pearce is a better 7 than 6 and Maloney is a better 6 than 7 and that is MHO

[Guest]

But it did work in 2010, we played very deep in attack, our forwards were used as link men. I'm not sure why people would be so surprised to see Robinson employ this sort of style. It's just a different style of structure, not a lack of it, what I think you're hoping for is a high percentage game plan not a structural one.

Structure is just the way something is designed, there's definitely a sense of structure about what we did in 2010 and from there on in. There's a lot of room for off the cuff play and whilst that's always going to compromise structure somewhat it's not non-existent like everyone has been making out for the past year or two.

There's a difference between having no structure and playing a high percentage, forward dominant go forward and attack reliant on set plays. It's the latter which I think the majority of the forum want to see, but that doesn't define 'structure'.

I think we'll see a much more high percentage game plan from Robinson coming out of our own end given the team he's got but as soon as we're in an attacking position I expect we'll play with very deep back line movements. For those who watched Brisbane this year teams who are overly structured and play very flat in attack aren't successful unless they have playmakers with great vision.

Whatever you want to call it structure or the style of attack, what I saw in that game the other night and what we did last year and most of this year won't work. Unless the speed of the ruck changes teams that stand wide and deep and rely on offloads will not be successful in this League. Honestly some of our sets of 6 in the other teams 20 over the last 2 years were embarrassing to watch.

Anyway it will be interesting to see what happens. This is my only concern about this guy that he is coming in here on the back of past glories. We need forget about 2010 it's ancient history, I hope he does the same thing.

[Rooster_6]

Whatever you want to call it structure or the style of attack, what I saw in that game the other night and what we did last year and most of this year won't work. Unless the speed of the ruck changes teams that stand wide and deep and rely on offloads will not be successful in this League. Honestly some of our sets of 6 in the other teams 20 over the last 2 years were embarrassing to watch.

Anyway it will be interesting to see what happens. This is my only concern about this guy that he is coming in here on the back of past glories. We need forget about 2010 it's ancient history, I hope he does the same thing.

2010 isn't ancient history though, we still have a large amount of that squad at the club. Don't forget all this guys NRL experience as a coach has come under Smith, it'd be a little ignorant to think that he hasn't taken on a lot of Smith's philosophies about the game. I think the first sign that he's looking to play a higher percentage game is that after a discussion with Taylor about the clubs direction and style of play he hired him as his assistant coach. Taylor is a very conservative coach and has very conservative views on how the game should be played.

All his interviews thus far have been about what he's going to get out of individuals so it's just all a guessing game at the moment but it'd surprise me if we still didn't play with a deep attack even if we do play a more forward dominated game plan with little ball movement in our own end.

[Guest]

No ignorance here.

If he tries to pick up where he left off in 2010 or attempts to employ Smith's philosophies he will fail, as Smith did.

This is coming from a guy who liked Smith's style of footy. The problem is unless they change the game you can't win with that style.

As you said it's all up in the air, we have to wait and see what he produces.