adian tolman

[Headless Chook]

Yea, please don't tell me that their pack isn't one of the better forward packs running around?

The one that ran out there on Sunday certainly isn't one of the 'better' packs, and it gets even worse when you look at their bench.

[Guest]

not very flattering with the team u have. its one thing making the finals and another thing competing in them, getting flogged and bundled out week one of the finals, is nothing to really gloat about?
Luckily for u this yrs format will probably get u a home final. but yet to be proven outside of qld.

We limped in due to injuries last year JT, Scott and Dallas Johnson were all playing busted, Tariq Sims not playing and losing Patterson after he only played 4 minutes. Did well to lead 8-0 at half time before it all caught up with us.

Yet to be proven outside QLD? Did we not smash the Doggies in week 1 2004 in SYDNEY? Or how about smashing the Eels 29-0 in 2005 prelim. It's been a while yes but theres no doubt we can do it as we have in the past with teams that wern't as talented as this years squad.

[Guest]

The one that ran out there on Sunday certainly isn't one of the 'better' packs, and it gets even worse when you look at their bench.

So Hannant, Civo, Thaiday, Gillett and Teo all representitive players this year isn't a good pack? No doubt they missed Glenn and imo Parker is the least talented guy out of the lot of them only good for supercoach. Plus Mcguire on the bench, the guy who will take Civo's spot in the QLD team next year.

Still one of the top packs in the comp in my book and Tolman stood up big time to be best on field imo.

[Headless Chook]

So Hannant, Civo, Thaiday, Gillett and Teo all representitive players this year isn't a good pack? No doubt they missed Glenn and imo Parker is the least talented guy out of the lot of them only good for supercoach. Plus Mcguire on the bench, the guy who will take Civo's spot in the QLD team next year.

Still one of the top packs in the comp in my book and Tolman stood up big time to be best on field imo.

No I don't rate their pack. Who's the big scary dude in that team you wouldn't want to run into? Teo is the closest they have a to big hitter. Civo is a light of better days, Hannant is soft, Thaiday is playing terribly (must be carrying an injury). McGuire I rate but the rest I don't.

Aside from that...Parker is only good for supercoach but you rate Tolman????? Hahahahaha!!!!

Any credibility you had just went out the door after that little pearler!

[Guest]

No I don't rate their pack. Who's the big scary dude in that team you wouldn't want to run into? Teo is the closest they have a to big hitter. Civo is a light of better days, Hannant is soft, Thaiday is playing terribly (must be carrying an injury). McGuire I rate but the rest I don't.

Aside from that...Parker is only good for supercoach but you rate Tolman????? Hahahahaha!!!!

Any credibility you had just went out the door after that little pearler!

Damn QLD selectors have lost their mind picking all those players in origin this year..... Oh wait they won again didn't they hmmm.

I'd say both Gillett and Thaiday can also put some pretty big hits on aswell.

21 runs for 177m (8.4m per run) with 48 tackles. All quality plus he too has added to tip on play with his forwards or out the back to the backs this year. Very good player and someone the Roosters badly need in their team. Like I said he was my motm on sunday.

Just 1 question. Do you rate the Roosters pack higher then the Broncos?

[Thirteen]

Damn QLD selectors have lost their mind picking all those players in origin this year..... Oh wait they won again didn't they hmmm.

I'd say both Gillett and Thaiday can also put some pretty big hits on aswell.

21 runs for 177m (8.4m per run) with 48 tackles. All quality plus he too has added to tip on play with his forwards or out the back to the backs this year. Very good player and someone the Roosters badly need in their team. Like I said he was my motm on sunday.

Just 1 question. Do you rate the Roosters pack higher then the Broncos?

Cowgirl, Thaiday only puts on a big hit when he is 4th man in and the opposition player is being held down by 3 of his Broncos teammates.
And to answer your question. The Broncos pack is quite clearly better than ours. We are very inexperienced and appart from FPN and Friend I don't think any of our forwards would have played over 50 games.

[Rooster_6]

Damn QLD selectors have lost their mind picking all those players in origin this year..... Oh wait they won again didn't they hmmm.

You slammed Parker as nothing more than good for a fantasy team, yet he too was selected in the QLD team. I'm confused at the same time you're using the QLD selections to justify your opinion but you're also contradicting yourself? So what is it?

I'd say both Gillett and Thaiday can also put some pretty big hits on aswell.

Gillett is good for about 5 dropped balls & 10 missed tackles a game, talk about overrated... did you even watch the game he was woeful.

21 runs for 177m (8.4m per run) with 48 tackles. All quality plus he too has added to tip on play with his forwards or out the back to the backs this year. Very good player and someone the Roosters badly need in their team. Like I said he was my motm on sunday.

I love Tolman but how can you ignore Parkers workrate yet at the same try justify Tolman's value by his, again you're contradicting yourself.

2012 Averages

Tolman, 16.62 runs, 128.86 metres, 31.86 tackles, 7.75 metres per run & 97% tackle rate efficiency
Parker, 16.08 runs, 118.15 metres, 41.92 tackles, 7.35 metres per run & 93% tackle rate efficiency

That from a bloke whose been struggling with injury all year...

[Guest]

You slammed Parker as nothing more than good for a fantasy team, yet he too was selected in the QLD team. I'm confused at the same time you're using the QLD selections to justify your opinion but you're also contradicting yourself? So what is it?


Gillett is good for about 5 dropped balls & 10 missed tackles a game, talk about overrated... did you even watch the game he was woeful.


I love Tolman but how can you ignore Parkers workrate yet at the same try justify Tolman's value by his, again you're contradicting yourself.

2012 Averages

Tolman, 16.62 runs, 128.86 metres, 31.86 tackles, 7.75 metres per run & 97% tackle rate efficiency
Parker, 16.08 runs, 118.15 metres, 41.92 tackles, 7.35 metres per run & 93% tackle rate efficiency
That from a bloke whose been struggling with injury all year...

I said he was the least talented guy out of that pack and only good for supercoach yes but every team needs one like that. Is he a big loss if out of the team? No as Hannant and co have big motors and can pick up the slack.

So by your count he would have about 90 dropped balls and 180 missed tackles this year? Somehow I believe you sir are way off the mark

That fact that Tolman has also added new strings to his bow like playing before the line and at the line, he is much younger, continuing to learn and get better year in year out and already has better stats playing on average around 60 minutes a game compared to a guy playing 80 minutes . Also Parker can get squared up easily in defence. The cowboys exploited this in round 2 especially this year.

Tolman also showed how he can step up and be a leader with 2 key props missing against 2 International props. He lead the way showing his fellow inexperienced props (Finucane only a few games and Gavet on debut) how its done in the top grade.

[Rooster_6]

I said he was the least talented guy out of that pack and only good for supercoach yes but every team needs one like that. Is he a big loss if out of the team? No as Hannant and co have big motors and can pick up the slack.

Yeh I do think he's a big loss, in fact I don't think there's anyone in their forward pack more valuable than Parker, their performances in his absence this year have vindicated that.

So by your count he would have about 90 dropped balls and 180 missed tackles this year? Somehow I believe you sir are way off the mark

It's called an exaggeration, 4 errors & 7 missed tackles on the weekend. He's barely even NRL standard as far as starting backrowers go.

That fact that Tolman has also added new strings to his bow like playing before the line and at the line, he is much younger, continuing to learn and get better year in year out and already has better stats playing on average around 60 minutes a game compared to a guy playing 80 minutes . Also Parker can get squared up easily in defence. The cowboys exploited this in round 2 especially this year.

Being younger is irrelevant, we're arguing ability right now not what he can be in the future. Like I mentioned Parker has been playing injured for the majority of this year his stats are down on his usual efforts. Last year he averaged; 138.25 metres & 41.75 tackles per game. If all you've got to argue that Tolman is a superior player to Parker is the fact that he's added a little bit of ball playing to his game to suit the game plan then you're clutching.

Tolman also showed how he can step up and be a leader with 2 key props missing against 2 International props. He lead the way showing his fellow inexperienced props (Finucane only a few games and Gavet on debut) how its done in the top grade.

And Parker isn't a leader? The guy has captained his club on multiple occasions and always leads from the front. I don't see how this argument is a criticism or advantage over Parker when he shown even more capabilities as a leader over the years.

[Guest]

Yeh I do think he's a big loss, in fact I don't think there's anyone in their forward pack more valuable than Parker, their performances in his absence this year have vindicated that.

It's called an exaggeration, 4 errors & 7 missed tackles on the weekend. He's barely even NRL standard as far as starting backrowers go.

Being younger is irrelevant, we're arguing ability right now not what he can be in the future. Like I mentioned Parker has been playing injured for the majority of this year his stats are down on his usual efforts. Last year he averaged; 138.25 metres & 41.75 tackles per game. If all you've got to argue that Tolman is a superior player to Parker is the fact that he's added a little bit of ball playing to his game to suit the game plan then you're clutching.

And Parker isn't a leader? The guy has captained his club on multiple occasions and always leads from the front. I don't see how this argument is a criticism or advantage over Parker when he shown even more capabilities as a leader over the years.

I like his record as captian, worse then what Thaiday's is

Ahh so you pick out one week to try prove your point well done.

Tolman is still the better player playing in a harder position.

Like I said first line his record as captian isn't something to go around and gloat about lol.

[Guest]

The problem was replacing Myles and Ryles with players who simply weren't ready.

The pack still isn't our biggest problem though.

Look at our 2010/2011 pack. Great balance...

Hargreaves, Friend, Nuuausala, Guerra (before Anasta got put in the pack), Aubusson, Myles, BENCH: Aubusson, Conn, Kennedy, Ryles

We have essentially replaced Myles, Conn and Ryles, with Cordner, Arona and Tasi/Masoe/Takairangi.

Cordner is a good player, but lacks the consistency of Myles, and still has a few errors in his game (although he is potentially far more dynamic in attack and his workrate is steadily increasing). The experience lost from Myles is significant, but to be fair Cordner has held his own. Arona is okay, but lacks Conn's grit and his very underrated offloading game. Like before, there was significant experience lost, but I can't fault Arona too much, who is playing to the best of his ability.

The biggest issue, if any, is replacing Ryles, a grafting worker who led the pack with his experience and leadership qualities, with the inconsistent trio of Tasi, Masoe and Taka. All three showed plenty of potential in terms of playing ability last season, which I am sure facilitated the release of Ryles, however, what Smith did not count on, was the loss of experience. Same applies with Arona and Cordner. We lost our three most experienced forwards in one go, and replaced them with two adequate but young replacements, and the MOST experienced being replaced by one of three extremely inconsistent players.

It is going to take time to recover, but we have to persist with the forwards. There are deeper issues involved, with the team cohesiveness, mental preparation, fitness and focus. These need to be addressed.

[Rooster_6]

I like his record as captian, worse then what Thaiday's is

Ahh so you pick out one week to try prove your point well done.

Tolman is still the better player playing in a harder position.

Like I said first line his record as captian isn't something to go around and gloat about lol.

His record as captain was when all the origin players left and he was left with the 'baby broncos'. Of course it's not fantastic but it's a big vote of confidence in his leadership abilities.

One game? You obviously haven't watched him play much, there's a reason why Broncos fans want him dropped.

A harder position? Lock & Prop are pretty much the same positions these days (both are required to defend in middle field and both are required to take hitups)... how about you start presenting some facts and preferably from some reliable sources this time.

[shagger]

tolman is the player we need. He might just be a more inportant signing tha SBW.The bullscum would offload him in a flash because of salary cap probs. You wait & see someone like parra will pick him up & then we will start wishing we did something about it but it will be to late.If we are to go anywhere in next years comp he is a must signing.

[Guest]

tolman is the player we need. He might just be a more inportant signing tha SBW.The bullscum would offload him in a flash because of salary cap probs. You wait & see someone like parra will pick him up & then we will start wishing we did something about it but it will be to late.If we are to go anywhere in next years comp he is a must signing.

lol

[Guest]

His record as captain was when all the origin players left and he was left with the 'baby broncos'. Of course it's not fantastic but it's a big vote of confidence in his leadership abilities.

One game? You obviously haven't watched him play much, there's a reason why Broncos fans want him dropped.

A harder position? Lock & Prop are pretty much the same positions these days (both are required to defend in middle field and both are required to take hitups)... how about you start presenting some facts and preferably from some reliable sources this time.

What do you call the absence of both Kasiano and Graham replacing them with Taupau and Gavet (one with a handful of FG games and the other on debut) and he was best on ground imo against a all International front row and origin standard backrow. Besides decent leaders can overcome the loss of a few players, hell even the cowboys have a winning percentage without JT over the past couple years.

What broncos supporters? The experts like yourselves that must always have scapegoats when the team is going bad?

Ok so does Lewis, Stewart, Johnson, Cordner, Crocker, Hinchcliffe etc all play that style?

How about you take your own advice and stop assuming things yourself