I've said it a few times here but for me anything less than a preliminary final the season is a fail for me, especially now that the Storm are missing a starting half, Papenhuyzen and Coates.
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Originally posted by MKCS View PostI've said it a few times here but for me anything less than a preliminary final the season is a fail for me, especially now that the Storm are missing a starting half, Papenhuyzen and Coates.
Now we are missing Manu, Toops, Suallii, Billy, JWH, Sitili, and Watson.
The fact that we can field a competitive team in the finals is a positive reflection on the club and it's depth.
Yes not making the next round would be a fail but if you are making excuses for Storm then maybe look at our own team.
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Originally posted by Team Evil View Post
We have been missing a starting Half for half the season.
Now we are missing Manu, Toops, Suallii, Billy, JWH, Sitili, and Watson.
The fact that we can field a competitive team in the finals is a positive reflection on the club and it's depth.
Yes not making the next round would be a fail but if you are making excuses for Storm then maybe look at our own team.
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I think anything but a premiership should be considered a failure (maybe a GF appearance at the least, given anything can happen on the day). That would be the clubs expectations every year and with our roster, it was very achievable.
It's all perspective though. We were sitting 13th with a few rounds to go in the regular season and had lost to the Dragons, Manly, Raiders, Dolphins and been badly beaten by Penriff twice and Melbourne throughout the season. We looked like rudderless alsorans. So going off the mid point of the season, if you said we would be in Finals Week 2 with a huge chance at a prelim, you'd probably call it success.
I think we have made the most of a terrible season and whilst it is awesome to see the boys do well, it's also incredibly frustrating given we clearly have the talent to do damage in the competition but have restricted ourselves to needing to win every remaining game of the regular season and lose key players as a result. If we played better during the season, we probably would've finished 4th given the lack of quality and consistency outside the Top 2 or 3 sides.
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This is what I was scared of....a late season run and then people starting to think this year was somewhat of a success. Just my opinion but we are still way off the mark against the top teams and a few vital changes are needed in this squad. While we have Keary and Walker in the halves we aren't winning anything. Keary was missing for 99% of the game last week, a great effort on the charge down saved him. Why can't the coaching staff get us firing from round 1 ? I'm not saying we have to be at our peak....but even 75% would be nice. The continual decimation of our squad to severe injuries, I dont believe its bad luck. JWH and Radley losing brain cells every year and hurting the team....Rads has been great the last month though etc etc
If we win tonight I'd give our season 6.5/10. We're still way off the mark
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Originally posted by Rooster90 View PostWe play for premierships...every year
When we don't win one it's a failure
But considering where we were in round 22....the season has turned around and no matter what happens from here it's been a success since then
Plus beating souths twice and ending their season is always added bonus points
Here is some insider information for you;
1. Every NRL team, all 17 of them, play for premierships every year. It isn't just us (who would have thought?)
2. As ism alluded to above, culture, continuity, solidarity as a club is hugely important, but not rated by enough observers of the game. This is why we've been challengers for the past decade, we get this right and a big part of that is Uncle Nick and Robbo.
We have achieved a Par result if we win today.
A Semi Final or Grand Final qualifier finish is more than acceptable given the injury luck this year, as well as being in a transition phase with lots of younger guys.
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Originally posted by Steakface View Post
I object to mindless mainstream NRL media's catch phrases such as 'Roosters play for premierships' taking hold here.
Here is some insider information for you;
1. Every NRL team, all 17 of them, play for premierships every year. It isn't just us (who would have thought?)
2. As ism alluded to above, culture, continuity, solidarity as a club is hugely important, but not rated by enough observers of the game. This is why we've been challengers for the past decade, we get this right and a big part of that is Uncle Nick and Robbo.
We have achieved a Par result if we win today.
A Semi Final or Grand Final qualifier finish is more than acceptable given the injury luck this year, as well as being in a transition phase with lots of younger guys.
Yes, technically every team in the NRL goes into the season to try and win the comp, but the objective is usually to try and be as successful as possible. "As possible" meaning it takes into consideration current roster, previous results, etc. There is no way on earth that the Titans, Dolphins, Dragons, Tigers, Dogs, etc. go into the season with the same expectations as Penriff, Storm, Easts, Souffs (lol). It's all relative to their current side. Some teams are building for the future, whilst others are in transition. We are somewhat in transition but we should still be at the pointy end of the ladder, technically we are. Only 6 teams left but we should still be striving for more. That is what the club is built on.
An example... if the Warriors lose at home this week and go out in straight sets rather meekly, I don't think many would consider their season a failure. Their finals campaign would be an abysmal failure, but I think their fanbase and insiders and media would call running 4th a success based off where they have been. If Melbourne were to lose to us tonight and go out meekly in straight sets after running 3rd, their season would be considered abject failure and the media would probably latch onto the performances of Munster or single out their young forwards or whatever. It's all perspective and context.
I would agree with you that this is a par season if we win today. Prelim with all the injuries and personnel changes and misfiring during the season taken into context, is a solid result.Last edited by HunchoRooster; 09-15-2023, 12:03 PM.
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Originally posted by Easts75 View PostThis is what I was scared of....a late season run and then people starting to think this year was somewhat of a success. Just my opinion but we are still way off the mark against the top teams and a few vital changes are needed in this squad. While we have Keary and Walker in the halves we aren't winning anything. Keary was missing for 99% of the game last week, a great effort on the charge down saved him. Why can't the coaching staff get us firing from round 1 ? I'm not saying we have to be at our peak....but even 75% would be nice. The continual decimation of our squad to severe injuries, I dont believe its bad luck. JWH and Radley losing brain cells every year and hurting the team....Rads has been great the last month though etc etc
If we win tonight I'd give our season 6.5/10. We're still way off the mark
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Originally posted by Steakface View Post
I object to mindless mainstream NRL media's catch phrases such as 'Roosters play for premierships' taking hold here.
Here is some insider information for you;
1. Every NRL team, all 17 of them, play for premierships every year. It isn't just us (who would have thought?)
2. As ism alluded to above, culture, continuity, solidarity as a club is hugely important, but not rated by enough observers of the game. This is why we've been challengers for the past decade, we get this right and a big part of that is Uncle Nick and Robbo.
We have achieved a Par result if we win today.
A Semi Final or Grand Final qualifier finish is more than acceptable given the injury luck this year, as well as being in a transition phase with lots of younger guys.
Secondly, I’m having major doubts about ‘injury luck’. You can’t avoid all injuries obviously. But our injury rate the last 4 years now has become a joke and is significantly more than any other club. We need to take some ownership as a club and put some appropriate measures in place to avoid another re-occurrence next season (third year in a row I’ve said this unfortunately). We can’t just continue to bury our heads in the sand and hope the injury gods will look favourably upon us. You need a full strength (or close enough to) 17 to win the comp. Consistent injuries disrupts team combinations and continuity throughout the season which affects form, confidence and overall wins/losses.
I genuinely think if we can manage our despicable and unmatched injury rate then we will be in line for another premiership. If we don’t, it’s going to be more lost opportunities.
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Originally posted by Qld Chook View Post
First of all, all clubs say/think the play for prems, yes. But, realistically only a few genuinely do - we are one of them. Players know this, hence why they take unders to sign with successful clubs. Even coaches know this, whether they’d admit it or not.
Secondly, I’m having major doubts about ‘injury luck’. You can’t avoid all injuries obviously. But our injury rate the last 4 years now has become a joke and is significantly more than any other club. We need to take some ownership as a club and put some appropriate measures in place to avoid another re-occurrence next season (third year in a row I’ve said this unfortunately). We can’t just continue to bury our heads in the sand and hope the injury gods will look favourably upon us. You need a full strength (or close enough to) 17 to win the comp. Consistent injuries disrupts team combinations and continuity throughout the season which affects form, confidence and overall wins/losses.
I genuinely think if we can manage our despicable and unmatched injury rate then we will be in line for another premiership. If we don’t, it’s going to be more lost opportunities.
Are we simply weaker than the other contenders?FVCK CANCER
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Originally posted by HunchoRooster View Post
I tend to agree. If we win the comp, it will be a divine miracle and would be reliant on Riff/Brisbane getting injuries or choking hard. If we won the comp, we still wouldn't be the best team in the NRL and would still be far from it. Won't hamper the win though. Would love to see. In this country we play semis and GFs so anything can happen on the day. If we want to compete week in week out to be the best like the Riff, Brisbane or Storm, we need change.
Would you prefer:
(a) Playing average/terrible for the first 75% of the season and then lifting for the final 25% and end up in a prelim or winning the comp; or
(b) Playing great and consistent footy for the entire season, but falling short at the semi-final hurdle?
I'd take option (a) every time!
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Originally posted by rented tracksuit View Post
Something to do with our conditioning maybe?
Are we simply weaker than the other contenders?
It has to be something to do with our strength & conditioning regime or training program structure. Honestly it’s impossible to know unless you’re within the club. All I know is it needs to be sorted quick. Penrith have only this year had a few injuries after having a near perfect run the last 3 years. Even there injuries now are nothing compared to us and they have played more footy than anyone. Maybe see if we can recruit (or poach as the media would say) their head of performance.
I did notice Travis Touma left a couple of seasons ago after our first or second bad year, went to Souths and then quickly bounced to the Dogs who had a terrible season with injuries this year. Not sure if this was all a big coincidence or not because I thought he had a decent wrap on him but others may be able to shed some light.Last edited by Qld Chook; 09-15-2023, 03:50 PM.
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Originally posted by JAF View Post
An interesting argument you have raised here HR that I would like to put forward to the rest of the Chookpen ...
Would you prefer:
(a) Playing average/terrible for the first 75% of the season and then lifting for the final 25% and end up in a prelim or winning the comp; or
(b) Playing great and consistent footy for the entire season, but falling short at the semi-final hurdle?
I'd take option (a) every time!
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