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  • #46
    So ..........................


    Hutch as captain / coach next year?





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    • #47
      Originally posted by Kelby View Post
      So ..........................


      Hutch as captain / coach next year?




      In some second grade Super League team maybe. Take the guru with you.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Headless Chook View Post

        Apparently the 'Trent is Spent' team don't care as long as he is gone. I asked a similar question a couple of weeks ago and was told it wasn't their job to find the new coach, and he shouldn't stay on simply because there is nobody better to replace him. So go figure that one!
        Would you want them choosing the coach as it would be like a revolving door of coaches -a loss or 2 and that coach would be punted and replaced

        They also have anything from 12 to 20 players earmarked for the sack as well.



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        • #49
          Originally posted by King Salvo View Post

          Would you want them choosing the coach as it would be like a revolving door of coaches -a loss or 2 and that coach would be punted and replaced

          They also have anything from 12 to 20 players earmarked for the sack as well.


          The roster/players are there. If you want a better one, we will have to borrow Melbournes cheque book from 07-09. My only criticism of the players this year has been they are out of form, not one or two of them, ALL of them. Therefore it is not difficult to determine the one same contributing factor, especially when Collins can brain it in the origin arena. Who else’s responsible for getting them to play their best if it’s not the coach? We may as well not have one at all if it’s 100% the player’s responsibility’s.

          I’m a firm believer of accountability. I think Robbo’s coaching performance this year has more than warranted questions being raised. If we have another year like this will you be happy? Because we all know what they say about doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result.

          Before you respond, and try to drown everyone in stats and bicker and get on defensive. Just think about the questions I have posed, I genuinely want to have a constructive conversation because I don’t understand how you think what has occurred this season would be considered acceptable within the Roosters four walls.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Qld Chook View Post

            Jeez I’d hate to have an imagination as bland as yours. I’m sure the club are a bit more creative, go support the Tigers if you are that intent on mediocrity.

            Bennett is available in 2025.. he would have a field day with our squad and you could guarantee we would be playing in September with him. Plenty of coaches have come from no where to build immediate success, look back 2013, who knew Robbo prior to then.
            Go follow the panthers if you can’t handle a down season.

            Trent Robinson was widely popular in 2010 but I suspect you weren’t around following the team back then because you didn’t know he was the assistant coach that season and many fans were calling for him to be appointed coach after Brian Smith in seasons 2011 and 2012 why do you think the playing group went to Politis to suggest Robinson was the coach? It was reported on the wall which you probably didn’t have access to that Trent Robinson was doing the day to day coaching of the team in the second half of the 2010 season when they went on a run to the grand final.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Headless Chook View Post

              That's actually an excellent example, we've all seen how successful they have been by punting their coach without having a back up plan....and Bennett???? Were you not alive in 2006? You're more chance of being our next coach then he is
              I’d love to see Wayne’s recent record over Robbo. He towelled us up in round 1 with a reserve grade quality team when we were meant to be respecting a great of our club in Artie. He took Souths to a GF in 2021, far more recent than any of Robbo’s success.

              For the record though, I’m not a Wayne fan nor do I want him as coach. I don’t hate Robbo either. I was just making a point that the excuse that ‘who are you are going to replace him with’ is old, tired and a narrow minded opinion. The lack in faith of the board to find someone to take us forward (if required, not saying it is yet) is astounding, especially when they were the ones who put their faith in Robbo when he had no NRL head coaching experience. Everyone just has very short memories.


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              • #52
                Originally posted by SamKerrSimp View Post

                Go follow the panthers if you can’t handle a down season.

                Trent Robinson was widely popular in 2010 but I suspect you weren’t around following the team back then because you didn’t know he was the assistant coach that season and many fans were calling for him to be appointed coach after Brian Smith in seasons 2011 and 2012 why do you think the playing group went to Politis to suggest Robinson was the coach? It was reported on the wall which you probably didn’t have access to that Trent Robinson was doing the day to day coaching of the team in the second half of the 2010 season when they went on a run to the grand final.
                I’m well aware of his history within the club. But that was as an assistant, very different to head coaching. Then he went to the super league, which in your words ‘is crap, so who cares’,

                He has since came back and proved himself as a head NRL coach. The game is ever evolving and as a coach you need to continue growing. The last few years suggest maybe he has peaked. I’m happy for him to prove me wrong, I’d love for him to because I like Robbo. I’m just speaking on recent performances.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Qld Chook View Post

                  I’d love to see Wayne’s recent record over Robbo. He towelled us up in round 1 with a reserve grade quality team when we were meant to be respecting a great of our club in Artie. He took Souths to a GF in 2021, far more recent than any of Robbo’s success.

                  For the record though, I’m not a Wayne fan nor do I want him as coach. I don’t hate Robbo either. I was just making a point that the excuse that ‘who are you are going to replace him with’ is old, tired and a narrow minded opinion. The lack in faith of the board to find someone to take us forward (if required, not saying it is yet) is astounding, especially when they were the ones who put their faith in Robbo when he had no NRL head coaching experience. Everyone just has very short memories.

                  Or some of us have long memories and can remember the time between Sticky and Robbo where we would have one good year in every 3 or 4. Don't forget that same board took 3 goes before they got it right with Robbo.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Headless Chook View Post

                    Or some of us have long memories and can remember the time between Sticky and Robbo where we would have one good year in every 3 or 4. Don't forget that same board took 3 goes before they got it right with Robbo.
                    That’s a fair enough take too. I just struggle to comprehend how some people think, based on performances this year, the coach is irreplaceable.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Qld Chook View Post

                      That’s a fair enough take too. I just struggle to comprehend how some people think, based on performances this year, the coach is irreplaceable.
                      I don't think he's irreplaceable at all. I just don't see a better option out there at the moment. Bennett was punted by the Broncos because they thought they could do better, then they got him back and then punted him again. They have only just started to recover from that disaster and I don't want to go down that path as well. I also believe he is still a very good and knowledgeable coach, yes his results this year have been terrible and he has to wear that but too many very good and intelligent players rate him so highly for it to be just plain good luck and good roster

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Headless Chook View Post

                        I don't think he's irreplaceable at all. I just don't see a better option out there at the moment. Bennett was punted by the Broncos because they thought they could do better, then they got him back and then punted him again. They have only just started to recover from that disaster and I don't want to go down that path as well. I also believe he is still a very good and knowledgeable coach, yes his results this year have been terrible and he has to wear that but too many very good and intelligent players rate him so highly for it to be just plain good luck and good roster
                        I agree with you on most of that. What changes do you think need to be made?

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                        • #57
                          I would give him to the end of the year . If we dont win it hes gooooone

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Qld Chook View Post

                            I agree with you on most of that. What changes do you think need to be made?
                            See this is what us fans have no idea about. We are not at training, we are not seeing what's going on behind the scenes, we are not privy to what issues certain players may be facing or what the coaches are asking of the players. I know everybody was up in arms about Walker being dropped but none of us are present when the team and the coaches are going through match prep, discussing game plans. I don't think he was dropped due to lack of ability or trust I think it was more to do with his game management at the time and trying to get him to understand that sometimes the best play is the boring one and not the flashy highlights reel play. Unfortunately the injury gods conspired against us there to find out what might have happened. One thing I think we should be looking at is why our injury rate is so high, what are other clubs and other codes doing to prevent middle to long term injuries.....what are Penrith doing?

                            I think we miss our strike weapons on the edge big time. Last year we had Angus, Sitili and Joey on our egdes. When Tils got injured Nat went there. Egan and Nat just don't offer much attacking threat, they both work hard but as an opposition player you are not worried about what they are going to throw at you. Look at the 2019 team and compare it to this one. There are not many of the current players who would force any of the retirees out of their spots in that team. We have lost experience and quality and more importantly leadership and haven't been able to replace that. Some of that is on Robbo for recruitment but he couldn't forsee two medical retirements in the space of 8 week in 2021. They would have budgeted and planned for Boyd and Jake to probably be calling it quits at the end of this year, not mid way through 2021. I am sure Angus was recuited to eventually take over from Boyd and play that similar type of game but his issues have been well documented. Despite some on here saying we have a top 4 roster, I don't agree. There's too many holes in our squad and not enough balance.

                            So what do we do? There's not much becoming available on the market for 2024 so we may need to look within or look overseas. We have some outside back depth coming to the club which should mean no more back rowers (or Hutch) in the centres, but we need Gus and Sitili fit and firing. We need Sammy back to his best. We need a season where we can consistently put our best team on the park week in week out.

                            So in summary, definitely need to look at strength and conditioning and workloads at training to minimise our injuries. Review of the whole coaching structure including recruitment to make sure we have the right pegs in the right holes. More depth in the forwards, probably need another experienced middle as well as some depth in the back row. I do think we will be much better next year when Teddy and Joey have had a proper off season and not had to play a bazillion games, then a world cup. It will also give us a full off season with Cheese at the club too. Hopefully guys like Wong and Whyte can take that next step and become regulars.

                            I still have my fingers crossed for this year but reality tells me even if we do sneak in we are making up the numbers

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Headless Chook View Post

                              See this is what us fans have no idea about. We are not at training, we are not seeing what's going on behind the scenes, we are not privy to what issues certain players may be facing or what the coaches are asking of the players. I know everybody was up in arms about Walker being dropped but none of us are present when the team and the coaches are going through match prep, discussing game plans. I don't think he was dropped due to lack of ability or trust I think it was more to do with his game management at the time and trying to get him to understand that sometimes the best play is the boring one and not the flashy highlights reel play. Unfortunately the injury gods conspired against us there to find out what might have happened. One thing I think we should be looking at is why our injury rate is so high, what are other clubs and other codes doing to prevent middle to long term injuries.....what are Penrith doing?

                              I think we miss our strike weapons on the edge big time. Last year we had Angus, Sitili and Joey on our egdes. When Tils got injured Nat went there. Egan and Nat just don't offer much attacking threat, they both work hard but as an opposition player you are not worried about what they are going to throw at you. Look at the 2019 team and compare it to this one. There are not many of the current players who would force any of the retirees out of their spots in that team. We have lost experience and quality and more importantly leadership and haven't been able to replace that. Some of that is on Robbo for recruitment but he couldn't forsee two medical retirements in the space of 8 week in 2021. They would have budgeted and planned for Boyd and Jake to probably be calling it quits at the end of this year, not mid way through 2021. I am sure Angus was recuited to eventually take over from Boyd and play that similar type of game but his issues have been well documented. Despite some on here saying we have a top 4 roster, I don't agree. There's too many holes in our squad and not enough balance.

                              So what do we do? There's not much becoming available on the market for 2024 so we may need to look within or look overseas. We have some outside back depth coming to the club which should mean no more back rowers (or Hutch) in the centres, but we need Gus and Sitili fit and firing. We need Sammy back to his best. We need a season where we can consistently put our best team on the park week in week out.

                              So in summary, definitely need to look at strength and conditioning and workloads at training to minimise our injuries. Review of the whole coaching structure including recruitment to make sure we have the right pegs in the right holes. More depth in the forwards, probably need another experienced middle as well as some depth in the back row. I do think we will be much better next year when Teddy and Joey have had a proper off season and not had to play a bazillion games, then a world cup. It will also give us a full off season with Cheese at the club too. Hopefully guys like Wong and Whyte can take that next step and become regulars.

                              I still have my fingers crossed for this year but reality tells me even if we do sneak in we are making up the numbers
                              Great effort. Gave me something to read over lunch. Not that I agree with all you have say though. But thanks. I do however agree with Joeys article in the SMH today. Jeez I wish he was still our halves coach.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by DP1990 View Post
                                Robbo hasn't got the roster nor the coaching staff around him to get this squad as a premiership contender. We lack youth, size, skill, speed, cohesion, staff and confidence compared to the 2x table leaders in the comp this season in the Broncos and Panthers. He cannot turn chicken shit into chicken salad !


                                We have a small halves pairing and not just small but also essentially 3x running 5/8s who play very similar as to each other, no genuine game-managing style half either like a Cleary, Reynolds, DCE or Johnson. A forward pack that boasts an origin/test player (Collins) who seems to only play well if it's Origin and an old gunslinger (JWH) who is on the home stretch of his career. Without those two we just don't have the punch to take on teams beyond the first 25mins.


                                An expensive lock who's been acquired to play hooker (Cheese). A lock (Radley) who spends more minutes off the field than on it. The best fullback/player for the past 5x years (Teddy) who decided 2023 was the year to have a misfire. A young prodigy halfback built like a 14 year old kid (Walker) who went from becoming our next long-term Halfback to the next patient in the hospital ward with half a knee hanging on (PS: who also needed to "develop his game more").


                                An over-hyped teen (Suaalii) who went from the next big thing in the NRL to the next big thing in Rugby Union. Angus ... well, thanks but I think we're done with him. Butcher brother's who are basic and borderline fringe players. Manu who only plays the game when he feels like it. Billy Smith running around every game with Medical Staff on stand-by. Utilities and rejects galore.



                                Matt King who went from an essentially a trainer to somehow our attacking coach, we've had a high turnover of Assistant Coaches generally speaking, Cronk who is our halves specialist who only works 1x day per week with our halves but it's let's be real, where is the value ? It's all easy to do video work and training drills but everyone seems to become gun-shy on the field. Inexperienced new assistants learning the ropes and doing their apprenticeship quickly-as-possible (Friend and Cordner).




                                Honourable mention to Toops !



                                But yes ... the roster and the staff is a f*king circus act ! A clean is out is absolutely necessary but ... Robbo needs to be given another shot !


                                Every now and then - although pretty rarely, let's be honest - someone writes a post that totally nails it. This is one of them. Unfortunately spot on.

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