Are our forwards hard enough?

[rented tracksuit]

Comments like this are farking ridiculous. Fans can have their opinions on players based on their performances and how much pump they show compared to OTHER FIRST GRADE PLAYERS !!!

Only if Sally can label you first.

[Easts75]

It's the same pack that steamrolled all comers when they hit there straps last year...

The problem is internal , either player disharmony or the players have lost faith in the coach .
it's a mindset / attitude problem that has spread like a cancer .

SST is a massive loss
Lodge isnt trying anymore now he is gone, he was playing for a contract then
Angus is off the shrooms and looks terrible
Watson isnt there

It might be a similar pack on paper but they are world apart

[Easts75]

Nat Butcher is a joke, I pray an English club pays overs for him to an extent he cant knock it back. He makes tackles, so what, so did Shaun Fensom.
Lodge is done. Looks like he has put on 15kg and isn't trying any more

[Rooster89]

Last year we had an in form pair of big wingers picking up 10-15m on the first couple of carries. We have really missed that this year

I think you're spot on with this.

Together with the service out of dummy half and also constantly being on the defensive backfoot because of our mistakes, our forwards are rooted and look ineffective.

[The Brain]

not as much to do with that ..it has been mounting errors and penalties .take 90% of those out and we might win. The Attitude is real bad no care factor in their game .

[Bates]

Comments like this are farking ridiculous. Fans can have their opinions on players based on their performances and how much pump they show compared to OTHER FIRST GRADE PLAYERS !!!

He forgets that they're wearing Red, White and Blue and what that means to most fans. Earning $500k plus a year to go out and give 100%.

[Lydon]

not as much to do with that ..it has been mounting errors and penalties .take 90% of those out and we might win. The Attitude is real bad no care factor in their game .

How much of that is on the coaching staff you think mate?

Genuine question

[The Brain]

How much of that is on the coaching staff you think mate?

Genuine question

Plenty ...here is my first thouight since the 6 again thing started the good sides have atackler around the legs first then blokes on top or over the top we are still tackling old style ...have a look at the top side carefully and you will see what I mean thats just one thing...Coaching staff not good enough this year ..Head coach is ignorant of what is needed .Has developed a big head and ignores probable advice ... that usually happens when they think they are now better than the rest..You cant really fix this team right now...we could be heading into a rut that will take a few years to get out of... There were a few decent players on the market and we grabbed all budget lemons

[Lydon]

Plenty ...here is my first thouight since the 6 again thing started the good sides have atackler around the legs first then blokes on top or over the top we are still tackling old style ...have a look at the top side carefully and you will see what I mean thats just one thing...Coaching staff not good enough this year ..Head coach is ignorant of what is needed .Has developed a big head and ignores probable advice ... that usually happens when they think they are now better than the rest..You cant really fix this team right now...we could be heading into a rut that will take a few years to get out of... There were a few decent players on the market and we grabbed all budget lemons

I agree with all your thoughts mate,especially regarding the coaching staff and Robbo’s ignorance in adjusting to what is needed..

You 100% nailed it on the head!

[Lydon]

Comments like this are farking ridiculous. Fans can have their opinions on players based on their performances and how much pump they show compared to OTHER FIRST GRADE PLAYERS !!!

Spot on!

[Lydon]

Nat Butcher is a joke, I pray an English club pays overs for him..

I don’t think any Club is that stupid to be honest..

[ism22]

Plenty ...here is my first thouight since the 6 again thing started the good sides have atackler around the legs first then blokes on top or over the top we are still tackling old style ...have a look at the top side carefully and you will see what I mean thats just one thing...Coaching staff not good enough this year ..Head coach is ignorant of what is needed .Has developed a big head and ignores probable advice ... that usually happens when they think they are now better than the rest..You cant really fix this team right now...we could be heading into a rut that will take a few years to get out of... There were a few decent players on the market and we grabbed all budget lemons

I thought we grabbed some of the best and then banked on guys like Lodge/Brown who have done alright all things considered (though Brown had a Barry against the Riff).

Like 2013 (where IMO many of us assumed we'd have to wait 'till 2014) I think we can turn this around. Is asking forwards to be tougher the way though?

IMO the issue is our attack. At 4-0 we held our Penrith for ~35 minutes and it was looking like we might see a game of footy. However, our inability to score eventually led to a total collapse in our systems.

None of our attacking plays look interesting. When we did win against the Doggies, it was because they were shyte and we punched through their forwards right down the centre of the field. That's not footy, that's sheer luck of the draw against a roster we shoulda beaten 60-0 on paper. We were basically too fit and too strong for a lesser team, though our tactics were ridiculously bad.

How do you fix it? NFI. I think what we're EXPECTING is for the likes of Teddy, Manu, Sua'ali'i and Cheese to be throbbing players down the middle ad-lib. For some reason they're simply not coming up with dazzling plays like they SHOULD be.

I'm not saying he's shyte but down 4-0 against Penrith with ~10 to go in the first half, Manu got the ball ~10m out. He ran forwards, a textbook (relatively early) tackle was made and he was pulled down. This then knocked the air outta us because instead of being up 6-4, we were nowhere.

I have no solutions for this. Our stars just look FLAT and aren't throbbing people with individual brilliance. We look BORING!!! We focus on defending the whole time and it's as if we forget that being up 18-0 at half-time is a better defence than being down 18-0 and having Robbo say 'stick to the Roosters way... Bongdi Wall remember!!!'

IMO part of all this is that rule changes have torn apart the Bondi Wall. The game's intentionally changed such that Robbo's old defensive tactics are directly (and intentionally) being targeted and punished. For this there is no easy solution. Napa's an example of this... he's gone from being an Origin hard man to a reject who's struggling in reggies. They don't like that brand of aggression. Dunno if people watched Cleary's presser but he started off by talking about some JWH/Leniu scuffle (I never saw the scuffle as I switched off). Comparing his perspective to Robbo's was like:

- Robbo: 'oh come oooon!!! Nothing in it!!! Two big boys showing some passion'

- Cleary: 'it was stupid wasn't it... Jared wanted it all game and he found it. There were heaps of other incidents and what was said was unnecessary/disrespectful'

Maybe Robbo can learn from that? Maybe our forwards need to be a bit calmer and cut the cr@p out? I don't think our tactic of intimidation works anymore as nobody feels intimidated by us.

[King Salvo]

Comments like this are farking ridiculous. Fans can have their opinions on players based on their performances and how much pump they show compared to OTHER FIRST GRADE PLAYERS !!!

I remember last year when you were saying you had more pump and get up and go than particular Roosters forwards and were quickly put back in your box over it.

If Bates say's they are a collective pack of pussies then they should be game enough to put this theory to the test.

I think it's fair enough when making such a statement.

[Rooster_6]

Comments like this are farking ridiculous. Fans can have their opinions on players based on their performances and how much pump they show compared to OTHER FIRST GRADE PLAYERS !!!

Calling a NRL player a pussy is farking ridiculous IMO.

Anyone who runs onto that field has my respect.

[King Salvo]

Nat Butcher is a joke, I pray an English club pays overs for him to an extent he cant knock it back. He makes tackles, so what, so did Shaun Fensom.
Lodge is done. Looks like he has put on 15kg and isn't trying any more

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