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  • Originally posted by Jacks Fur Coat View Post
    Guys, I've had a lot of requests Jack, what happened? What are we gonna do?

    Well, I can't answer those questions conclusively, just give some observations. Yes it was a dark day for our country.

    I wanted to first speak with everyone who voted in the election, and of course the candidates. So I have been rather busy.

    They say the people get the government they deserve and we have ended up with a big majority to the Labor Party, something like possibly 90 seats in the Reps to possibly 40 odd to the Coalition. But unpack this a little. We have two of the lowest primarys for the major parties ever. Labor around 34 % I think to around 32% for the Libs. Labor still wins on that but with a much smaller margin that would bring the next election in 2028 to a winnable one for the Libs. However, currently we could be looking at another decade of Labor government federally. Why so? Remember 65% of Australians didn't vote for Albanese.

    Preferences!! I said earlier in the year that preferences were going to be so important in this election. Under our unique compulsory, optional preferential voting system and the increase in minor parties/ independents they are even more so. The general mood was yes we want to show Labor we aren't happy, but the Libs aren't offering a better alternative in this campaign. So...we vote for someone else, preference Labor ahead of Libs and poof! You get this result. So...the face value enormity of Labors win was less an endorsement of how great they are, but moreso how the Libs were seen as not a viable option.

    Commentators are going to town on what went wrong with the Libs campaign. If an election were held say late last year it could well have been a different result. But broadly they didn't do proper homework/preparation to run a decent campaign. And left Mr Dutton trying to put lippy on a pig with policy backflips, late announcements and costings. I won't say they buggered up the unlosable, but blew a real opportunity for change for Australia. I hope they don't react by thinking they need to lurch further to the left and copy Labor. That would be a grave error, imho.

    Green shoots? 3 seats in Vic could see 2 Teals unseated to the Libs, and our little Palestine activist Adam Bandt losing his seat to Labor. The irony of that seat (Melbourne I think) is that Labor will rely on Libs preferences to unseat Bandt. We all know the real enemy ​. Oh and Paulines girl could get a seat in the Senate at Jacqui Lambies expense...hope so. The Greens may not have a single seat in House of Reps. Yay!

    And our fearless leader who couldn't get hold of President Trump and said he didn't even have a phone, now is all warm and fuzzy towards him. Weak, woke and sending us broke - doesn't change what's in his DNA...or missing.

    It wasn't a dark day for Australia. It was democracy at work-and working like it should.

    The primary vote stands at 34.8% Labor to 32.2% to the Libs-and you point out the 2.6% difference isnt that much. In the US election Trump received 49.8% to Harris 48.3%- a difference of 1.5%- and you called it a "landslide victory." Preferences/Electoral college- we all have our systems- when it works in your favour its a good thing but when it doesnt then its no good? Were you outraged in 2016 when Hilary Clinton got almost almost 2.9 million votes more than Trump, with 65,844,954 (48.2%) to his 62,979,879 (46.1%)?

    Speaking of DJT- had to laugh about his conversation with Albo and how Albo said many nice things about him and showed him respect. Trump made the phone call all about him. Seems like Albo worked out that feeding the ego of a narcissistic sociopath is the best means of getting their support.

    Ill tell you who got it wrong for the Libs- Murray, Credlin, Bolt, Putarna Markson, Dean & Co....the whole lot of them.got it very wrong. 3 years of going on about non-significant crap like all the "crazy left" reporting, so called woke politics, then tops it off with Albo not being strong enough with China- all the American influenced shit that means nothing to the Australian voter. They got it all wrong but now blame Dutton because a outgoing politician is a easy target when you are playing the blame game. The irony is Dutton took off his political game day face for the concession speech and won over many people who saw a really good family man that valued the Australian way of life- instead of this almost arrogant strongman, tough talker who will bully to achieve his goals.

    Albo is a centre left leader-its how he governed the last 3 years and its how he will govern the next 3 years-even with a majority government. He isn't going to be sending Australia broke-he isn't going to be attacking China nor making waves with the US and he isn't going to implement "crazy" far left policies or American style woke wars. Australia doesn't want any far left nor far right leaders.

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    • Love how old mate tries to copy Alan Jones. Quite hilarious.

      > I've had a lot of requests Jack, what happened? What are we gonna do?

      > Well, I can't answer those questions conclusively, just give some observations. Yes it was a dark day for our country.

      Look honestly one of the best things Albo did was stop his supporters from booing Dutton and say 'no... don't because here in Australia we treat people with RESPECT!!!'

      I hope that right-wingers will eventually be a bit more 'conservative' with their manners and start accepting the result.

      After all of old mate's chest beating about Trump and the voice, he can be thankful that the rest of us don't behave like that. This win belongs to Labor. I kindly ask that you let us celebrate as a rejection of MAGA-style BS is really quite heartening to many of us.

      Sorry you don't hold that world view. Maybe next time buddy but for now... it's a Labor landslide and IMO it's extremely well deserved!!!

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      • Originally posted by Jacks Fur Coat View Post

        Yes, in fact I'm pretty sure Connie would be the first off the ship if we were to review discreet references since the edict.
        Oh Jaxxxx !!!!! Yours was not a discreet reference it was a direct reference which is apparently against the rules See the sticky
        When you trust your television
        what you get is what you got
        Cause when they own the information
        they can bend it all they want

        John Mayer

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        • Originally posted by Jacks Fur Coat View Post
          Guys, I've had a lot of requests Jack, what happened? What are we gonna do?

          Well, I can't answer those questions conclusively, just give some observations. Yes it was a dark day for our country.

          I wanted to first speak with everyone who voted in the election, and of course the candidates. So I have been rather busy.

          They say the people get the government they deserve and we have ended up with a big majority to the Labor Party, something like possibly 90 seats in the Reps to possibly 40 odd to the Coalition. But unpack this a little. We have two of the lowest primarys for the major parties ever. Labor around 34 % I think to around 32% for the Libs. Labor still wins on that but with a much smaller margin that would bring the next election in 2028 to a winnable one for the Libs. However, currently we could be looking at another decade of Labor government federally. Why so? Remember 65% of Australians didn't vote for Albanese.

          Preferences!! I said earlier in the year that preferences were going to be so important in this election. Under our unique compulsory, optional preferential voting system and the increase in minor parties/ independents they are even more so. The general mood was yes we want to show Labor we aren't happy, but the Libs aren't offering a better alternative in this campaign. So...we vote for someone else, preference Labor ahead of Libs and poof! You get this result. So...the face value enormity of Labors win was less an endorsement of how great they are, but moreso how the Libs were seen as not a viable option.

          Commentators are going to town on what went wrong with the Libs campaign. If an election were held say late last year it could well have been a different result. But broadly they didn't do proper homework/preparation to run a decent campaign. And left Mr Dutton trying to put lippy on a pig with policy backflips, late announcements and costings. I won't say they buggered up the unlosable, but blew a real opportunity for change for Australia. I hope they don't react by thinking they need to lurch further to the left and copy Labor. That would be a grave error, imho.

          Green shoots? 3 seats in Vic could see 2 Teals unseated to the Libs, and our little Palestine activist Adam Bandt losing his seat to Labor. The irony of that seat (Melbourne I think) is that Labor will rely on Libs preferences to unseat Bandt. We all know the real enemy . Oh and Paulines girl could get a seat in the Senate at Jacqui Lambies expense...hope so. The Greens may not have a single seat in House of Reps. Yay!

          And our fearless leader who couldn't get hold of President Trump and said he didn't even have a phone, now is all warm and fuzzy towards him. Weak, woke and sending us broke - doesn't change what's in his DNA...or missing.
          I'm not a Bandt fan but to have a crack at someone for calling out what is going over there is just wrong. It makes me sick actually.

          Born and bred in the eastern suburbs.

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          • I'm loving the meltdown from all the usual suspects in the media.
            Born and bred in the eastern suburbs.

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            • Originally posted by Paddo Colt 61 View Post

              All of us, even those with ocean views, need to join in the struggle to meet the 2050 deadline. My heart weeps for you Mr. Crab, but my head says, "Silly ol' bugger"..
              Tell that to the whales ! You're welcome to the windfarms seeing as you're so enamoured with them . How about at Fitzroy Falls or magnificently lined out along the western rim ?
              Last edited by Crab; 05-07-2025, 06:26 PM.

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              • Originally posted by Jacks Fur Coat View Post

                Yes, in fact I'm pretty sure Connie would be the first off the ship if we were to review discreet references since the edict.
                I think the dynamic duo Batman and Robin were making many indiscreet blatant mentions and references to me which some posters were turning a complete blind eye to. Yet now they choose to comment. Very strange.

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                • Originally posted by mightyrooster View Post

                  I think the dynamic duo Batman and Robin were making many indiscreet blatant mentions and references to me which some posters were turning a complete blind eye to. Yet now they choose to comment. Very strange.
                  OH MR Whilst I took no part in these shenanigans This appeared nothing but a little harmless amusement and it was inference and not direct reference.

                  Your friend Jaxxxx on the other hand directly used the posters name which the sites owner issued a sticky saying there would be a banning for doing so.

                  Now back on topic seeing the results and the overwhelming majority Labor have It will be at least six years before Jaxxxx mob get back in For them to win the next election would require the biggest swing in Australian Federal political history

                  So Jaxxx and Sally can enjoy another 6 years of Liberal shadow ministry
                  Last edited by Andrew Walker; 05-07-2025, 12:03 PM.
                  When you trust your television
                  what you get is what you got
                  Cause when they own the information
                  they can bend it all they want

                  John Mayer

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                  • Originally posted by Andrew Walker View Post

                    OH MR Whilst I took no part in these shenanigans This appeared nothing but a little harmless amusement and it was inference and not direct reference.

                    Your friend Jaxxxx on the other hand directly used the posters name which the sites owner issued a sticky saying there would be a banning for doing so.

                    Now back on topic seeing the results and the overwhelming majority Labor have It will be at least six years before Jaxxxx mob get back in For them to win the next election would require the biggest swing in Australian Federal political history

                    So Jaxxx and Sally can enjoy another 6 years of Liberal shadow ministry
                    Oh!!! I don’t think it was meant to be harmless. I think it was intended to be provocative and a diversion tactic in the fun, games and shenanigans.

                    Yes I am happy with the election results. Shocked that Labor ended up with such a large majority while some of the smaller parties lost their seats though. The Libs need to revert back to their original ethos. Stop with the culture war focus and trying to be a mini USA. Be the party for free enterprise, small business, minimalist government etc. In other news my electorate is still on a knife edge. A good chance the independent will take the seat from Labor.

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                    • I'm happy for the Libs to maintain their current ethos.
                      Born and bred in the eastern suburbs.

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                      • Originally posted by Vasco View Post
                        I'm happy for the Libs to maintain their current ethos.
                        and so would the Labor party

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                        • Originally posted by Random Rooster View Post


                          It wasn't a dark day for Australia. It was democracy at work-and working like it should.

                          The primary vote stands at 34.8% Labor to 32.2% to the Libs-and you point out the 2.6% difference isnt that much. In the US election Trump received 49.8% to Harris 48.3%- a difference of 1.5%- and you called it a "landslide victory." Preferences/Electoral college- we all have our systems- when it works in your favour its a good thing but when it doesnt then its no good? Were you outraged in 2016 when Hilary Clinton got almost almost 2.9 million votes more than Trump, with 65,844,954 (48.2%) to his 62,979,879 (46.1%)?

                          Speaking of DJT- had to laugh about his conversation with Albo and how Albo said many nice things about him and showed him respect. Trump made the phone call all about him. Seems like Albo worked out that feeding the ego of a narcissistic sociopath is the best means of getting their support.

                          Ill tell you who got it wrong for the Libs- Murray, Credlin, Bolt, Putarna Markson, Dean & Co....the whole lot of them.got it very wrong. 3 years of going on about non-significant crap like all the "crazy left" reporting, so called woke politics, then tops it off with Albo not being strong enough with China- all the American influenced shit that means nothing to the Australian voter. They got it all wrong but now blame Dutton because a outgoing politician is a easy target when you are playing the blame game. The irony is Dutton took off his political game day face for the concession speech and won over many people who saw a really good family man that valued the Australian way of life- instead of this almost arrogant strongman, tough talker who will bully to achieve his goals.

                          Albo is a centre left leader-its how he governed the last 3 years and its how he will govern the next 3 years-even with a majority government. He isn't going to be sending Australia broke-he isn't going to be attacking China nor making waves with the US and he isn't going to implement "crazy" far left policies or American style woke wars. Australia doesn't want any far left nor far right leaders.
                          some interesting points rr.

                          the fact that labor outpolled the coalition on primary votes is neither here nor there to me. our system - one set up by the non-labor parties, and one that has delivered the non-labor parties a lot of success - is based on a two party preferred vote. on the 2pp labor smashed the coalition and its win is totally legitimate. jfc's great on footy but when it comes to politics he's a blinkered partisan. but sure, the fact that labor comfortably beat the coalition even on primary votes makes the win even more unquestionable.

                          no doubt, murray, credlin etc were part of the problem but dutton's not blameless. aust elections are run on a presidential basis and he was in charge of the narrative. i'd give his concession speech a pass mark but the best thing was its brevity. when you get thumped like that - just get off. i never doubted dutton's commitment to his family but his speech didn't make up for the way he's conducted himself. family values? attacking albo for buying a home for his family is bad enough, but when you consider dutton's property portfolio the guy's a total hypocrite

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                          • LNP supporters in this thread seemed to have finally understood how preferential voting works, lol that explains a lot. In the last 10 or so years there has been a massive campaign to educate younger people on how to use their preferences wisely and the old "put the Liberals last" is no longer the meta way to vote as younger voters are putting the Libs in the middle with all the radical racist, rednecks and Trump supporters last which eliminates any possibility of the Libs sneaking a preferential vote. Young people now know how to maximise their vote and we're going to see less of the Libs moving forward it's brilliant I love the way preferential voting works.

                            65% of Australians didn't vote for Albo because they don't live in his electorate, Murdoch media has done a number on these older folks.

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                            • Originally posted by caz View Post

                              some interesting points rr.

                              the fact that labor outpolled the coalition on primary votes is neither here nor there to me. our system - one set up by the non-labor parties, and one that has delivered the non-labor parties a lot of success - is based on a two party preferred vote. on the 2pp labor smashed the coalition and its win is totally legitimate. jfc's great on footy but when it comes to politics he's a blinkered partisan. but sure, the fact that labor comfortably beat the coalition even on primary votes makes the win even more unquestionable.

                              no doubt, murray, credlin etc were part of the problem but dutton's not blameless. aust elections are run on a presidential basis and he was in charge of the narrative. i'd give his concession speech a pass mark but the best thing was its brevity. when you get thumped like that - just get off. i never doubted dutton's commitment to his family but his speech didn't make up for the way he's conducted himself. family values? attacking albo for buying a home for his family is bad enough, but when you consider dutton's property portfolio the guy's a total hypocrite
                              Attack Albo for buying a home but he was fine with sneaking in "nannies" to the country for his lobbyist mates.

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                              • Bandts gone! Labor takes seat of Melbourne. But don't break out the shampoo too soon...there is talk of his successor. Hanson-Young or that Farouqi woman. I guess the issue is the Party itself. Yet is heartening to see Aussies push back against their special brand of crazy. Credit to Advance Australia, they ran a strong anti=Greens campaign to shine a light on them.

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