Terrorist attacks in Israel

[Paddo Colt 61]

The real genius is Labor convincing you to vote for right wing policies for the last 40 years:
HECS is a privatisation of tertiary education
Superannuation is a privatisation of the pension system
Privatisation of the banks
Free Trade Agreements being abused to suppress wages
Foreign purchases of housing
Deregulation of superannuation to make it easier to borrow large sums and build tiny apartments everywhere
Big Australia policy

I understand your chagrin re the ALP at times but it's never been a radical party, moderately progressive yes, radical hardly. Whitlam was Labor at its best, again not radical in modern terms though at the time you'd have thought the end of days were near and, of course, the Right and our Security Deep State acted decisively. So much for Oz democracy - who could honestly believe in it?

On the other hand, is Labor guilty of pushing RW policies over the last 40 years as you say?

For a start, it hasn't been in power for the last 40 years and the Libs, if they can't actually cancel a big Labor initiative as Fraser did with Medibank, they do their best to pervert things - Super made a tax haven for the rich for example or abandoning Keating's trade offs which were part of the switch to neocon-ism. Which, clearly, was Western world wide, there was no place to hide for any Western nation.

HECS is another case in point. Introduced by Hawke, the initial plan involved a debt of $1800 per degree for all subjects but then Howard got hold of it and, from that point on, there have been progressive hikes to the onerous point we're at now. HECS was not initially a RW policy, far from it.

Chifley tried to Nationalise the banks but Joe Public believed Frank Packer et al and the mass media of the time and voted it down. Keating's later sale of the CBA was unfortunate in hindsight but with paradigm change to the New Conservatism in the World, there was little choice. Minimal Government participation was the order of the day.

Superannuation is a good thing and a Left thing if the Libs' attacks on it are anything to go by. It forces employers to contribute for one thing

Most of your post is a slander on the ALP. Most of our travails are down to our Conservatives, which that party is not (Conservative that is). There's no tradition of Conservative writing or of philosophical debate in the Party. It's an anti Labour party pure and simple. It is totally pragmatic which means it stands for nothing except keeping the ALP out of government. And a lot of wealthy Australians, most of whom have inherited their wealth, are happy with that. Can't wait to see what the tax reforms Chalmers is vaguely proposing turn out to be but if our MSM and the Libs are apoplectic then it must be good for the Sheeple.

[dice]

Paddo, you are putting lipstick on a pig. Liberal may have taken some of those policies further but Labor did not roll them back. They are an economically right-wing (Third Way political) party.

You have been drinking so much of the Labor koolaid you even believe the Employer Contribution propaganda. fmd. How about studying the history and noticing the first 3% Employer Contribution was actually funded by unions accepting a reduced payrise of equivalent amount.

[Crab]

Paddo, you are putting lipstick on a pig. Liberal may have taken some of those policies further but Labor did not roll them back. They are an economically right-wing (Third Way political) party.

You have been drinking so much of the Labor koolaid you even believe the Employer Contribution propaganda. fmd. How about studying the history and noticing the first 3% Employer Contribution was actually funded by unions accepting a reduced payrise of equivalent amount.

I'm just curious what y'all think this has to do with the 'terrorist attacks in Israel ' thread ?

[Mickie Lane]

Israel after all the bombings of Gazza & all the killings of Palestinians since October 7 are no safer & have not & will not eradicate Hammas
So what has Israel accomplished?
Hammas will never be wiped out & until the Palestinian people are safe Israel will never be safe.
Believe me Hammas will kill more Israelian people no matter how hard Israel try to wipe them out.
For a supposed smart country (Israel) its pretty dumb what they are doing.

[The Lip]

Israel after all the bombings of Gazza & all the killings of Palestinians since October 7 are no safer & have not & will not eradicate Hammas
So what has Israel accomplished?
Hammas will never be wiped out & until the Palestinian people are safe Israel will never be safe.
Believe me Hammas will kill more Israelian people no matter how hard Israel try to wipe them out.
For a supposed smart country (Israel) it’s pretty dumb what they are doing.

Very complicated problem Mick - honestly what are they meant to do - one extreme - nothing? Turn the other cheek? Other extreme is full on war. Neither works and I’m not sure anything in between does either. Someone’s always claiming retaliation for something and the fued is so ingrained and goes so far back that both sides feel justified for any “retaliation”atrocities they commit. Stick your self and family in either side and you will more than likely feel the hatred as well.

[Paddo Colt 61]

Clearly you aren't at all scholarly on the subject Lip but that's okay, neither are most people. Most are like the moaners re bridge closures who quite obviously don't really care about brown people apart from an "Oh that's awful" but who profess to love our democracy about which they know little as well. Courtesy of the msm most people's opinions, and yours and Mick's seem to give lot of weight October 7 and the horrific toll that was allegedly involved. What's missing is context and a question of the events of that day.

You ask if they should "turn the other cheek", who the Palestinians who have had, and still face, theft of their territory. They aren't incorrigible pesky natives, they've been in an outdoor prison since 1948 in some cases, penned in by foreigners incrementally taking the place over, their right to do that enshrined in the scriptures ffs. In 1948 Palestinians held 94% of the country, now it's about 20%. They are an occupied population and they have a UN Charter right to resist occupation, violently if necessary.

Israel turn the cheek? Not likely, the Zionists are violent extremists and have been since the get go. Zionist terrorism forced out the British. And it was a scale of violence similar in intent to the present. We never hear about this history. We aren't told. Zionism was granted a "home" in Palestine by the UN not a State.

Our US propaganda media uses October 7 constantly but there has been no inquiry result so far. We do know about the Hannibal directive to the IDF. That alone should make anyone sceptical. The villages were/are fortified garrisons, a second line of defence after the wire fence. Remember, the Arabs have the right to resist occupation.

[Rooster1908]

Clearly you aren't at all scholarly on the subject Lip but that's okay, neither are most people. Most are like the moaners re bridge closures who quite obviously don't really care about brown people apart from an "Oh that's awful" but who profess to love our democracy about which they know little as well. Courtesy of the msm most people's opinions, and yours and Mick's seem to give lot of weight October 7 and the horrific toll that was allegedly involved. What's missing is context and a question of the events of that day.

You ask if they should "turn the other cheek", who the Palestinians who have had, and still face, theft of their territory. They aren't incorrigible pesky natives, they've been in an outdoor prison since 1948 in some cases, penned in by foreigners incrementally taking the place over, their right to do that enshrined in the scriptures ffs. In 1948 Palestinians held 94% of the country, now it's about 20%. They are an occupied population and they have a UN Charter right to resist occupation, violently if necessary.

Israel turn the cheek? Not likely, the Zionists are violent extremists and have been since the get go. Zionist terrorism forced out the British. And it was a scale of violence similar in intent to the present. We never hear about this history. We aren't told. Zionism was granted a "home" in Palestine by the UN not a State.

Our US propaganda media uses October 7 constantly but there has been no inquiry result so far. We do know about the Hannibal directive to the IDF. That alone should make anyone sceptical. The villages were/are fortified garrisons, a second line of defence after the wire fence. Remember, the Arabs have the right to resist occupation.

So what do you think Israel should dor ,pack up and leave ?.Many implications to such thoughts in many countries including our own .Old good for the goose type of thing .

[The Lip]

Clearly you aren't at all scholarly on the subject Lip but that's okay, neither are most people. Most are like the moaners re bridge closures who quite obviously don't really care about brown people apart from an "Oh that's awful" but who profess to love our democracy about which they know little as well. Courtesy of the msm most people's opinions, and yours and Mick's seem to give lot of weight October 7 and the horrific toll that was allegedly involved. What's missing is context and a question of the events of that day.

You ask if they should "turn the other cheek", who the Palestinians who have had, and still face, theft of their territory. They aren't incorrigible pesky natives, they've been in an outdoor prison since 1948 in some cases, penned in by foreigners incrementally taking the place over, their right to do that enshrined in the scriptures ffs. In 1948 Palestinians held 94% of the country, now it's about 20%. They are an occupied population and they have a UN Charter right to resist occupation, violently if necessary.

Israel turn the cheek? Not likely, the Zionists are violent extremists and have been since the get go. Zionist terrorism forced out the British. And it was a scale of violence similar in intent to the present. We never hear about this history. We aren't told. Zionism was granted a "home" in Palestine by the UN not a State.

Our US propaganda media uses October 7 constantly but there has been no inquiry result so far. We do know about the Hannibal directive to the IDF. That alone should make anyone sceptical. The villages were/are fortified garrisons, a second line of defence after the wire fence. Remember, the Arabs have the right to resist occupation.

Okay play down Oct 7 even though it was abhorrent blatant terrorism with no objective but terror - you seem so educated in all manner of things. Just ignore all I say as your opinion is clearly unbiased and unaffected.

[Paddo Colt 61]

Okay play down Oct 7 even though it was abhorrent blatant terrorism with no objective but terror - you seem so educated in all manner of things. Just ignore all I say as your opinion is clearly unbiased and unaffected.

Hamas is the elected Government of Palestine which has the right to resist occupation. It was originally sponsored by Israel as a counter to the PLO remember Yasser Arafat (bet you hated him too).? The US plays fast and lose with "Terrorism". It took the Uighur terrorists off the list and "their (the US's) terrorists are now in charge in Syria.

[Mickie Lane]

Hamas is the elected Government of Palestine which has the right to resist occupation. It was originally sponsored by Israel as a counter to the PLO remember Yasser Arafat (bet you hated him too).? The US plays fast and lose with "Terrorism". It took the Uighur terrorists off the list and "their (the US's) terrorists are now in charge in Syria.

Im just asking
Imagine if there was no Hammas what would happen to that region & what would happen to the Palestinein people?

[Paddo Colt 61]

HAMAS and October 7 is an excuse for the ethnic cleansing that we are seeing the new Israeli plan to occupy Gaza makes that obvious. Any government has the duty to resist occupation. Had Oz been occupied by the Japanese, our government would have organised military resistance.

Israel and the US are anti 2 state solutions so presumably the Palestinian people face bleak prospects. Huge containment camps have been suggested with the only exit being migration and that is why Nations are now recognising a Palestinian state. We're seeing the original population being displaced by a blow-in community with a blank cheque from the US that was, just 70 odd years ago, "given" a home and shelter within the mandate of Palestine.

[The Lip]

Hamas is the elected Government of Palestine which has the right to resist occupation. It was originally sponsored by Israel as a counter to the PLO remember Yasser Arafat (bet you hated him too).? The US plays fast and lose with "Terrorism". It took the Uighur terrorists off the list and "their (the US's) terrorists are now in charge in Syria.

I didn’t say I hated anyone - I said it was a complicated problem and depending on which side of the fence you sit you can lay claim to the retaliation arguement- you’re just reading things into my comments to suit your own hate. You could be a journalist with those skills.

[Andrew Walker]

I didn’t say I hated anyone - I said it was a complicated problem and depending on which side of the fence you sit you can lay claim to the retaliation arguement- you’re just reading things into my comments to suit your own hate. You could be a journalist with those skills.

The colt is a retired English teacher and a poet as well I personally think he has a good grasp of the situation over there

[Mickie Lane]

HAMAS and October 7 is an excuse for the ethnic cleansing that we are seeing the new Israeli plan to occupy Gaza makes that obvious. Any government has the duty to resist occupation. Had Oz been occupied by the Japanese, our government would have organised military resistance.

Israel and the US are anti 2 state solutions so presumably the Palestinian people face bleak prospects. Huge containment camps have been suggested with the only exit being migration and that is why Nations are now recognising a Palestinian state. We're seeing the original population being displaced by a blow-in community with a blank cheque from the US that was, just 70 odd years ago, "given" a home and shelter within the mandate of Palestine.

I agree with you Paddo, its not fair what is going on there.
But Ive gotta say Hammas & the Israeli government are both farked.
A bunch of men probably 10 men making the call on war.
Triggering thousands of deaths while these 10 men want to show off who has the biggest dick.
Man just cannot live in peace.

[Vasco]

HAMAS and October 7 is an excuse for the ethnic cleansing that we are seeing the new Israeli plan to occupy Gaza makes that obvious. Any government has the duty to resist occupation. Had Oz been occupied by the Japanese, our government would have organised military resistance.

Israel and the US are anti 2 state solutions so presumably the Palestinian people face bleak prospects. Huge containment camps have been suggested with the only exit being migration and that is why Nations are now recognising a Palestinian state. We're seeing the original population being displaced by a blow-in community with a blank cheque from the US that was, just 70 odd years ago, "given" a home and shelter within the mandate of Palestine.

Spot on.