Referee rumour?

[Spirit of 66]

Does anybody know what Moley is talking about here:

"Moley has heard THAT other HUGE rumour sweeping the game. It involves referees. Moley does NOT believe it."

I have the utmost faith in the integrity and competence of our games officials, but I am keen to hear what these vicious lies might be.

[Moose]

god i hope cummins is involved in match fixing

[ism22]

god i hope cummins is involved in match fixing

Question... how would you prove it? I woulda thought that (if nothing else for training purposes) refs would be repremanded for things like:
- Bringing EVERY try decision from one team to the video ref and consistently saying 'no try'
- Lopsided penalty counts
- Getting calls wrong
- Sending all the 50:50 calls one way
- Teams getting inconsistent stats when you ref them

Meh I bet there's nothing in it from a corruption perspective (and if there is, proving that somebody is corrupt is usually impossible + requires that the authorities have a personal vendetta against somebody who is untouchable and makes them look stupid for questioning them... think Lance Armstrong). However, at very least I think these should be training issues.

[roosterproud]

- Bringing EVERY try decision from one team to the video ref and consistently saying 'no try'
- Lopsided penalty counts
- Getting calls wrong
- Sending all the 50:50 calls one way
- Teams getting inconsistent stats when you ref them

yep that sounds like us

[dice]

Hayson mentioned yesterday that it is easier for a ref to match fix than players. No idea if he was alluding to anything or just trying to deflect attention from his player mates.

He also mentioned he offers players free sex at his brothels in return for favours. Now which team in 2009 had a few players frequenting brothels and subsequently accused of match fixing?

[Tennessee Tornado]

Hayson mentioned yesterday that it is easier for a ref to match fix than players. No idea if he was alluding to anything or just trying to deflect attention from his player mates.

He also mentioned he offers players free sex at his brothels in return for favours. Now which team in 2009 had a few players frequenting brothels and subsequently accused of match fixing?

OK, So if he said it in a press conference it MUST be true.

In terms of your statement, apart from some rumours in this forum, is their a single shred of evidence to support it?

Has there been any real accusation of match fixing in 2009, even about the game v Nth Queensland

[dice]

2009 is well documented. Get off your soap box.

[Tennessee Tornado]

If its well documented, have you or anyone else seen any of the said documentation?

It's a whazy. It's a woozie. It's fairy dust. it doesn't exist. It's never landed. It is no matter. It's not on the elemental chart. It's not farking real.

I'll get off my soapbox when you step off your cloud

[Spirit of 66]

Just getting back to my original question, has anyone heard the details of this "huge" rumour?

[Moose]

Question... how would you prove it? I woulda thought that (if nothing else for training purposes) refs would be repremanded for things like:
- Bringing EVERY try decision from one team to the video ref and consistently saying 'no try'
- Lopsided penalty counts
- Getting calls wrong
- Sending all the 50:50 calls one way
- Teams getting inconsistent stats when you ref them

Meh I bet there's nothing in it from a corruption perspective (and if there is, proving that somebody is corrupt is usually impossible + requires that the authorities have a personal vendetta against somebody who is untouchable and makes them look stupid for questioning them... think Lance Armstrong). However, at very least I think these should be training issues.

I'd assume you would need written evidence of some sort, text messages or something, or a recording maybe. I really can't see how you could prove it otherwise.

Really my post was just wishful thinking honestly.

[Vasco]

If its well documented, have you or anyone else seen any of the said documentation?

It's a whazy. It's a woozie. It's fairy dust. it doesn't exist. It's never landed. It is no matter. It's not on the elemental chart. It's not farking real.

I'll get off my soapbox when you step off your cloud

Well one player was marched at the end of the season and has never bagged the club at all.

He had plenty of ammunition given how much of a circus it was in 2009 and the way he was shown the door.

[Cockadoodledoo]

For those at the game, I am guessing Tennessee Tornado wasn't there, I have never seen a team and those on the bench celebrate when they were not in finals running like the Cowboys when they scored their final try to go up by 14 or was it 16. They weren't just celebrating the try or the 2 points they were going to get for the win.

[Tennessee Tornado]

For those at the game, I am guessing Tennessee Tornado wasn't there, I have never seen a team and those on the bench celebrate when they were not in finals running like the Cowboys when they scored their final try to go up by 14 or was it 16. They weren't just celebrating the try or the 2 points they were going to get for the win.

I was there and I agree it was a shocking game especially when considered what was at stake - fitzy's last game and avoiding the wooden spoon

But a bad loss and poor individual performances are hardly documented proof of match fixing. If it was that easy don't you think there would have been some nrl / police action

[Cockadoodledoo]

I was there and I agree it was a shocking game especially when considered what was at stake - fitzy's last game and avoiding the wooden spoon

But a bad loss and poor individual performances are hardly documented proof of match fixing. If it was that easy don't you think there would have been some nrl / police action

Do you think the NRL would want match fixing made public if it did happen? Do you understand what it would do to the image of the game and the impact on sponsors? They are the last people who would want it out in the open. You can be sure if there is a whiff of match fixing, they would be trying to get to the bottom of it and then they would write a cheque to those individuals, tell them to fake an injury and get away from the game.

Same for salary cap breaches, the only ones came out because of whistle blowers with an axe to grind running to the press. Look how the NRL handled the Andrew Gee affair, $300K missing, invite Andrew Gee to discuss, he declined so they closed the case with the explanation that no one was willing to talk. Even worse was last years North Queensland Cowboys and the houses that all there players seem to be 'buying'. Todd Greenberg flew up to Townsville to investigate (why would he go?). By late morning on the day he arrived, he cleared them. How can an investigation end in a couple of hours? These things would usually take months. The last thing he wanted was a team deep in finals action outed on salary cap breaches. He only flew up there to shut down any investigation, not perform one.

[The Axe]

The game has an Integrity Unit in name only.
An integrity unit should be applying big data analytics to find patterns including attributes such as referees, players, player penalties and mistakes, officials, betting accounts, refers to bunker, dcisions, phone numbers dialled and received etc.
Patterns could be discovered and investigated. No one is bove the game.

This became paramount when betting agencies became involved in the game. Regrettably no action has happened and the NRL has done nothing to purge suspiscion of poor behaviour from the game. I have been banging on about this for several years. Regrettably we have an Integrity Unit in name only