Sin bin rule

[ism22]

Leaving the result/implications of the call aside for a minute.

I'm wondering... were the refs right in saying there's no penalty if somebody else is able to score?

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My view...

If the refs were right, what can we do about it? IMO if Jennings had held off intentionally and not scored then Souffs would have picked the ball up, run 30 and the play would have been forgotten.

Jennings was also tackled without the ball but it didn't matter because he scored. Potentially Souffs should have had 2 men in the bin.

Given the ref's choice we should have had the option of taking the try OR taking a penalty try (possibly an 8 point try?) + Reynolds in the bin for 10.

Probably won't happen again all season but IMO it's a BS rule that needs fixing if the refs were correct. Otherwise... break the ref's other leg and sack him!

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If the ruling was correct then my biggest concern is that the current rules don't discourage grubby behaviour. Tackling a man without the ball when he's certain to score is one of the worst offences in the book and should be discouraged...

Also it doesn't encourage people to have a go at scoring the try. Will people start backing off/milking penalties rather than trying to score? Boring!!

[Parkway_Drive]

Leaving the result/implications of the call aside for a minute.

I'm wondering... were the refs right in saying there's no penalty if somebody else is able to score?

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My view...

If the refs were right, what can we do about it? IMO if Jennings had held off intentionally and not scored then Souffs would have picked the ball up, run 30 and the play would have been forgotten.

Jennings was also tackled without the ball but it didn't matter because he scored. Potentially Souffs should have had 2 men in the bin.

Given the ref's choice we should have had the option of taking the try OR taking a penalty try (possibly an 8 point try?) + Reynolds in the bin for 10.

Probably won't happen again all season but IMO it's a BS rule that needs fixing if the refs were correct. Otherwise... break the ref's other leg and sack him!

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If the ruling was correct then my biggest concern is that the current rules don't discourage grubby behaviour. Tackling a man without the ball when he's certain to score is one of the worst offences in the book and should be discouraged...

Also it doesn't encourage people to have a go at scoring the try. Will people start backing off/milking penalties rather than trying to score? Boring!!

This has been discussed in another thread of which you have contributed but you have raised some interesting points and I thought I would add my wurthless thoughts.

I don't have a rule book in front of me but here is my 20 cents worth.... I think the refs ruled correctly on this one. Reynolds would have gone for 10 in the bin if we hadn't have scored and probably a penalty try...the ref said words to that effect as well. Correct me if I am wrong, Maubs in last years GF did a similar albeit not so obvious tackle on Lyon and the penalty try was awarded, however, he didn't get 10 minutes in the bin.

If we scored and foul play had occurred say Jennings had his head knocked off or something really grubby by $ouff$ occurred during the act of scoring the try or just after then I believe that would be the opportunity for a ruling of a 8 point try (two conversion attempts including one in front of the sticks, two in front as Jennings was under the sticks).

Re Grubby Behaviour.....In effect the 8 point try discourages grubby behaviour but not the act of what would have been an otherwise legitimate tackle had Toupu or Jennings were in possession of the ball when they were tackled. Eg If Jennings was hit in the head as he was scoring and managed to still score the try then 2 conversions should be awarded (in all probablity an 8 point try).

The penalty try is a disincentive to attempt to even attempt a tackle on a player not in possession of the ball when the officials are in no doubt the player was about to score a try.......but no rule has really contemplated punishing that act where a try is still scored by another player...I guess the team scoring the try wasn't disadvantaged as the ultimate outcome of that play was still a try. I personally am not in favour of always adding new rules or modifying rules to what is still a great game but was IMHO a better game in years gone by.

I don't necessarily agree with your point that it will encourage players to back off from scoring a try and to try and milk a penalty....what player in their right mind would forgo a try and roll the dice that your team will get a penalty try. You also said further up in your post in your opinion if Jennings had intentionally held off $ouffs would have picked up the ball and run 30 and the infringement would have been forgotten...which negates your point somewhat.

IMO when acting on instincts as players normally do when in a try scoring position they wouldn't just hold off scoring and instinctively they would go for the try......it was 19c not quite the 20c

[Headless Chook]

Both of you guys posts were too long for me to bother reading but I will just say that it is not a potential 8 point try. It was a potential penalty try if we had not scored. The difference being that a penalty try is awarded if in the opinion of a referee a try would have been scored had the foul not been committed. An 8 point try occurs when a foul is committed on the player in the act of scoring a try. So had the Souffs player hit Jennings high as he was grounding the ball, then an 8 point try could have resulted

[ism22]

Both of you guys posts were too long for me to bother reading but I will just say that it is not a potential 8 point try. It was a potential penalty try if we had not scored. The difference being that a penalty try is awarded if in the opinion of a referee a try would have been scored had the foul not been committed. An 8 point try occurs when a foul is committed on the player in the act of scoring a try. So had the Souffs player hit Jennings high as he was grounding the ball, then an 8 point try could have resulted

Thanks for clearing it up mate.

Guess I can only whinge about it so-far. As parkway kinda said... changing the rules all the time can get really annoying.

As I've had a bit of time to start accepting the loss it seems more like an isolated incident that didn't decide the game.

I still think Souffs are a bunch of grubs regardless.

[Hawkeye]

Given the ref's choice we should have had the option of taking the try OR taking a penalty try (possibly an 8 point try?) + Reynolds in the bin for 10.

*Can't be an 8 point try, that's for fouls committed after a try has been scored.
*Would you agree then if Mitch Aubbo had been sin binned in the GF in addition to the penalty try awarded against him ...I certainly wouldn't have been happy about that double whammy.

My view ...Reynolds should have been sin binned, because we still scored in our own right and there was no punishment for his offence. If Jennings hadn't of scored and we were awarded a penalty try, then awarding the penalty try is souffs punishment for the offence and an additional sin bin is not needed. Well certainly not 10mins anyway, I might concede to a 5 min sin binning if that were brought back.

[milanja]

*Can't be an 8 point try, that's for fouls committed after a try has been scored.
*Would you agree then if Mitch Aubbo had been sin binned in the GF in addition to the penalty try awarded against him ...I certainly wouldn't have been happy about that double whammy.

My view ...Reynolds should have been sin binned, because we still scored in our own right and there was no punishment for his offence. If Jennings hadn't of scored and we were awarded a penalty try, then awarding the penalty try is souffs punishment for the offence and an additional sin bin is not needed. Well certainly not 10mins anyway, I might concede to a 5 min sin binning if that were brought back.

if it was exactly the same scenario, but the try was scored out wide, would we have got to kick the goal from in front? Could it be that is what happened on Friday night, but because we scored under the sticks the penalty went by unnoticed?