The Coming Federal Election.

[mightyrooster]

Jax is on the looney right fringe which Sky has normalised. They have created this Aussie extreme right wing oasis that looks and sounds like the USA as you've noted previously Count. It's a cheer squad like no other - a constantly blaring megaphone rejoicing in Trump's outrageousness. The Panama canal takeover is interesting because it shows us a return to a US of the past, so powerful and ruthless that it does what it wants.

When the canal was completed it was then within the borders of Colombia and Venezuela. In order to control the canal in perpetuity the US sent gunboats and created a new country - Panama. Easy peasy. How about that for arrogance? Dominating the UN in 1948, the US created another country - Israel. Those who already lived there were not consulted.

I was hoping that the longer away the election is the better. Sky and the msm have Trump hype front and centre and a large percentage of the community are fascinated with the "fcuk you" attitude and celebrity status and, out of sheer ignorance and their loser hate the world attitude, they yearn for a Trump here. I hoped that in time the attraction would fade but now I fear that the rest of the right wing msm will jump on the wagon and, as much as possible, present the wealthy Potato as being Trump South.

This is exactly what I was referring to and predicted as per your last paragraph. Lower and middle class Australia are feeling the pain from the higher cost of living. The Trump effect will play a part.

[mightyrooster]

I really wish Ism22 had accepted Dr Voodoo Mans wager.

Although the self absorbed little delusionist won't see this as I assume I'm on his blacklist (looking at his paraphrasing).

I was actually trying to de-escalate the situation by clarifying the truth. I know I said I’d say no more but I’m just disappointed that’s all.

[Rooster1908]

My grandfather was Fitter at Everleigh and took part in the Great Strike in 1916. It must have been a significant part because when, after several months, the strike was broken, he was blackballed and refused further employment. It wasn't the railways' vindictiveness but the right wing Union which had never authorised the strike but had assiduously worked to end it. It was 1916 and the Sheeple were extremely patriotic.

Of topic for a sec , can you please tell me what's wrong with being extremely patriotic.

[Jacks Fur Coat]

Of topic for a sec , can you please tell me what's wrong with being extremely patriotic.

You're asking some good questions mate. Patriotism is potentially a strong unifying and harmonising force. I have my own theories why I think its been labelled as something negative to avoid by some Aussies. Might share later.

[Paddo Colt 61]

Not off topic because the Libs never miss an opportunity to play the patriotic card.

Nationalism in its modern sense involves the idea of patriotism but one can quietly love and have a sense of belonging to the land in which he/she lives. On the other hand one can be stridently Jingoistic believing that his/her nation should dominate and colonise other nations. Then there is Xenophobia, the idea that one's country (race) is inherently superior to others - one Aussie is worth 100 slope heads. That was the extreme Nazi form of Nationalism - the superior stuff.

Which are you 08?

In 1916, the Sheeple had been more than happy to be dragged into a catastrophe which was nothing to do with them. They were in thrall to media even more than today. There was no referendum re participation, just over the top English patriotism. But fool me once, in the next year, 1917, "patriotism" had been checked by the unending casualty figures, mostly working class boys. In the first of 2 referenda, Conscription was given the thumbs down. The Anglo rich led by ALP PM Billy Hughes were again gung ho (England demanded more men) but the working class largely woke up re rich man's war, poor man's fight. The first blood vote was lost and then a second go was also knocked back. People had seen the result of patriotism.

To be extremely patriotic is to be mug and likely to be a victim of powerful madmen like warmonger Murdoch who "sold" the Iraq invasion here and in the UK. There is no advantage to workers in patriotism and it is, of course, the last refuge of scoundrels.

[Andrew Walker]

I really wish Ism22 had accepted Dr Voodoo Mans wager.

Although the self absorbed little delusionist won't see this as I assume I'm on his blacklist (looking at his paraphrasing).

He wants to live in an echo chamber He’s blocked anyone who disagrees with him Probably best fir him we saw his outburst and insane allegations last year Highlights being I was married to a self admitted childless spinster that was supposedly the Mother of my child. I mean this is extremely unhinged behaviour and that is only a fraction of it.

Anyway back on topic I’m pleased in spite of the differences many of us have The high majority of us have aired our views respectfully and getting back on topic quickly when things have deviated

[King Salvo]

Oh, my history is not really Capitalist Paddo's strong point, which is quite strange, since he says he was a history teacher. It must have been a nightmare for him, teaching the curriculum and historical facts vs the lefty fictional history he had been brainwashed to believe. - maybe he taught ancient history and could make a few things up - i.e. the dark ages.

I should be keeping count of how many times he mentions Sky and msm - he must be a"secret" fan of both as he keeps quoting things he see's or reads.

Never mind he will come around eventually to the right side, as it will take time for him to lose all his ingrained leftism despite his embracing of Capitalism.

I can see Capitalist Paddo wearing this hat before too long.

[mightyrooster]

I feel ism is trying to derail the thread with his comment Seeing us all respectfully discussing the issues at hand in spite of some of us having differences was too much for him.

He is not worthy of your disappointment. Now back on topic I was overjoyed to see you eventually grasp my point on what I’d mentioned with the 3 million super tax

Oh I thought you had grasped my point.

[Andrew Walker]

Of topic for a sec , can you please tell me what's wrong with being extremely patriotic.

To me The Patriotism that you describe is a way for racist xenophobic types to spout their views under the guise you mention

[Andrew Walker]

Oh I thought you had grasped my point.

LOL don’t be ridiculous MR. You started to give me a lesson thinking I had no idea what I was talking about Only for me to respond again in more detail To which you then responded you were guilty of posting hyperbole. #215 and 217

Now let’s stay on topic please

[mightyrooster]

LOL don’t be ridiculous MR. You started to give me a lesson thinking I had no idea what I was talking about Only for me to respond again in more detail To which you then responded you were guilty of posting hyperbole. #215 and 217

Now let’s stay on topic please

I was joking lol. And yes I stand by my admission that I was exaggerating.

[Rooster1908]

Not off topic because the Libs never miss an opportunity to play the patriotic card.

Nationalism in its modern sense involves the idea of patriotism but one can quietly love and have a sense of belonging to the land in which he/she lives. On the other hand one can be stridently Jingoistic believing that his/her nation should dominate and colonise other nations. Then there is Xenophobia, the idea that one's country (race) is inherently superior to others - one Aussie is worth 100 slope heads. That was the extreme Nazi form of Nationalism - the superior stuff.

Which are you 08?

In 1916, the Sheeple had been more than happy to be dragged into a catastrophe which was nothing to do with them. They were in thrall to media even more than today. There was no referendum re participation, just over the top English patriotism. But fool me once, in the next year, 1917, "patriotism" had been checked by the unending casualty figures, mostly working class boys. In the first of 2 referenda, Conscription was given the thumbs down. The Anglo rich led by ALP PM Billy Hughes were again gung ho (England demanded more men) but the working class largely woke up re rich man's war, poor man's fight. The first blood vote was lost and then a second go was also knocked back. People had seen the result of patriotism.

To be extremely patriotic is to be mug and likely to be a victim of powerful madmen like warmonger Murdoch who "sold" the Iraq invasion here and in the UK. There is no advantage to workers in patriotism and it is, of course, the last refuge of scoundrels.

Well I guess I would be somewhat inbetween.That madness of sending men over a wall one by one to be slaughtered only to do again and again is definitely not my point .To me I would and expect and hope most would defend the defenseless against forces that may after they have destroyed that country continue to the next .I'm not one for sticking my head in the sand in hope it may never happen.Short answer would I defend my family and country against all that I believe are a threat to them shite yeah in a flash

[Rooster1908]

LOL don’t be ridiculous MR. You started to give me a lesson thinking I had no idea what I was talking about Only for me to respond again in more detail To which you then responded you were guilty of posting hyperbole. #215 and 217

Now let’s stay on topic please

Why every single time you will hen you go of topic do you in the same post tell people to stay on topic .

[Andrew Walker]

Why every single time you will hen you go of topic do you in the same post tell people to stay on topic .

Technically the post you have responded to is on topic However I would hate to see this thread ruined by petty squabbling which may take away the enjoyment of the site for others

This is something both you and I have been guilty of I’m trying very hard to mend my ways and I see you are as well Let’s both keep up the good work

[Andrew Walker]

I was joking lol. And yes I stand by my admission that I was exaggerating.

I thought the LOL at the start of my post was me realising you were joking and I too was meagrely having a little fun.