That’s Enough Robbo

[kruT]

How could any Roosters fan not love Robbo? He has won us 3 premierships, there’s an argument to be made already that the’s the greatest ever Roosters coach.

But I love the club more, I grew up idolising and loving Minichiello and had no issues calling for his axing in his final years because I thought it was the right thing at the time for the club to move forward.

I just don’t think trying Suaalii at centre is an odd decision, I don’t think moving Manu to 5/8 is an odd decision and I don’t think dropping Walker is an odd decision because I can see the rationale in it.

Do I think they are the correct calls? No personally I said in pre-season I was very worried about Suaalii’s ability at centre, I’ve said multiple times on here that Manu doesn’t play with enough structure to be a half and he would need to develop a lot to get there and that Walker would be in my best 17 but I also understand Robinson’s rational and he’s proven me wrong more times than he has right so I’m not going to pretend that his decisions are odd and lacking in logic.

Was this written in Lamens?

[Rooster_6]

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It is actually. It may not be the main focus’s but it’s definitely part of the job.

Agree to disagree, don’t want to go too deep into it as I don’t want to derail the thread entirely but there’s a great book written on the topic by psychologist Gavin Freeman who has worked at the highest level of professional sports and business called “Just stop motivating me” that I would recommend to anyone who works in leadership or with people.

[rented tracksuit]

Agree to disagree, don’t want to go too deep into it as I don’t want to derail the thread entirely but there’s a great book written on the topic by psychologist Gavin Freeman who has worked at the highest level of professional sports and business called “Just stop motivating me” that I would recommend to anyone who works in leadership or with people.

Thanks mate. I actually worked in leadership for 30 years running some of the most successful sales teams in my field. Ability has less to do with success than motivation. Understanding what motivated my teams and working on that made them more successful individuals which made us more successful as a team.

[King Salvo]

Once a coach is hired it's his job to ensure his teams preparation & planning is ready to go before they leave the sheds.

It's his job to have the best players in their proper positions.

It's his job to ensure he adapts to the rule changes in the game.

It's his job to ensure he doesn't single out a future super star halfback as the sole reason the team cant score points especially since last year when they won 8 in a row & were racking up scores with that same player.

It's also his job to ensure the team stops having embarrassing Rd 1 losses which has become a running joke.

I am sure the Rooster are well prepared for the upcoming game as much as they can be in the time available .

Players have 2 days off after games as a minimum so in short turn arounds such as this Friday they may have 1 or 2 sessions at most ( Wednesday and Thursday)

Only so much you can do in game simulation contact sessions - i.e you can't have "opposing" players in such sessions defending with the same vigour as the opposition on game day and all your offense plays may come off as good as gold in such sessions but your offense is only really tested on game day the same as your D.

The coach selects the team they think can win the match and at times players are relegated or promoted and players play in different positions - been happening that way since 1908.

I am sure the coaching staff and players are well aware of the rule changes though and people do tend to over emphasise the impact of such rule changes in games.

Big call to say Walker is a future super star half though as he has a lot to work on in his game and he did admit his form has not been good - sure he is not the only

I remember a similar tag being put on Phil Blake - Blake was certainly targeted in D as a result and ended up being shifted around the backline to basically hide him in D.

Walker is and will continue to be targeted in D and will need to find a way to cope with the extra D workload that doesn't impact on his Offense role.

Not Walkers fault that he hasn't served an apprenticeship as they say in the lower grades and one has to also say the NSW Junior and Senior Pathways are superior to Queensland's in the progressive development of players on a pathway to NRL or NRLW.

He has to take it on the chin and work hard on the areas of his game he needs to work on and add to if he want's to get back in the NRL side simple as that

Last season was last season and irrelevant in a new season.

We will never know if switching Keary and Walker and or the Impact in games of E Butcher and Watson from the bench changed the teams fortunes or it was a purely a matter of the players realising if they don't pull their fingers out and start winning they could miss the finals

Last 8 Regular Season games

Dragons - 54-26
Knights - 42-12
Sea Eagles - 20-10
Broncos - 34-16
Cowboys - 32-18
Tigers - 72- 6
Storm - 18 -14
Rabbitohs - 26 -16

The same problems in offense last season has come back again this season and yes it still continues.

The Walker/Keary combo just wasn't working and neither are conformable playing an organising/controlling half role. Walker was hardly running the ball - almost up to 6 in the pass to run ratio KPI

Manu had to be moved closer to the ball and whether or not he can develop other parts of a 5/8 role is to be seen i.e linking with edge forwards , centre and winger in offense and a kicking game is a WIP. - Purely playing as a running 5/8

14 1st round games with Coach Robinson for 6 wins and 8 losses - 1st Round losses in 2013/2018/2019 before going on to win the comp.

Too much doom and gloom

[Rooster_6]

Thanks mate. I actually worked in leadership for 30 years running some of the most successful sales teams in my field. Ability has less to do with success than motivation. Understanding what motivated my teams and working on that made them more successful individuals which made us more successful as a team.

Sorry I hope that didn’t come across as me trying to belittle or question your knowledge & experience, it’s a topic that genuinely interests me and admittedly one I’m constantly evolving my opinion.

I think to your point identifying & understanding what motivates the individual is important and showing genuine interest and desire to improve/make them more successful will always increase engagement but I think motivation still comes from within.

For example, Joey Manu wants to be a spine player (motivation from within). Robinson being aware of that means he can assist the player by providing the tools, coaching & opportunity but the motivation will always be on the side of Joey he either wants it or he doesn’t.

[kruT]

Thanks mate. I actually worked in leadership for 30 years running some of the most successful sales teams in my field. Ability has less to do with success than motivation. Understanding what motivated my teams and working on that made them more successful individuals which made us more successful as a team.

What a load of bullshit.... You sold toilet paper to the starving for 2c a roll during covid.. Hardley a success or motivation!! You stick to Bus trips @ Amsterdam and leave the footy to R6...

[Les Tricolores]

Seeing as there are so many examples can you provide me with just a few of these woke ideals you think have affected Robinson’s coaching?

Sure… how about telling everyone what a great guy Latrell is and that no Rooster should ever jeer him despite Latrell going out of his way to violently smash Joey’s face?

Robbo speaking up about this has nothing to do with Latrell being indigenous of course lol… so it’s actually quite offensive on his behalf… because Latrell has zero loyalty to the Roosters and makes that very clear every time he plays us

Robbo doesn’t defend the club like he used to… in his mind the Roosters have become secondary to a lot of other nonsense… that’s all good and fine if the team continues to perform at a high level… they don’t and haven’t for quite some time

[Les Tricolores]

The spine is 1 , 6 , 7 and 9 for starters

Certainly not in the parallel universe where you have come from.

When the Roosters start winning which they will you won't on here thankfully nor your alter ego water boy either

Happy Days are coming

What are you talking about?

You were comparing spines… I named our current spine… Walker is not in the side

You really don’t make much sense lol

[Les Tricolores]

The club would be much better off if you supported someone else as I have serious doubts that you are a Roosters supporter.

This club doesn’t need yes men like yourself… that sort of blind loyalty to whoever is in charge never ends well

[Les Tricolores]

Who quoted them as second favourites though and where do you rate the lists of Storm/Souths/Brisbane/Parramatta for instance

In 1988 they were premiership favourites as well and didn't make the top 5 as it was back then

The bookmakers of course… the people who put their money where there mouth is and make a living out of it

Since you asked…

Our list is the best in terms of talent and depth

Broncos are developing very well but still very raw… Souths are thereabouts as they are currently showing… Eels a shade under that… Sharks have a lot of good players but no one truly great… Storm very top heavy but the weakest across the board I’ve seen in a long while… Panthers still good but clearly not as without Kikau and Koroisau

We are underperforming… and if you look at what Wayne is doing with his bunch of misfits he is just putting Robbo to shame… even Webster at the Warriors is doing a better job this year

[Random Rooster]

We are underperforming… and if you look at what Wayne is doing with his bunch of misfits he is just putting Robbo to shame… even Webster at the Warriors is doing a better job this year

Did Robbo put Bennett to shame in 2013 when he won a premiership as unknown whilst Bennett had a open cheque book at Newcastle from 2012?
What about in 2018 when his Broncos got beaten in the semi finals at home against St George 48-18 whilst Robbo got his second premiership?
How about when Robbo knocked Bennetts Rabbits out in the major semi final to win 2019??

Bennett hasn't won a premiership since 2010. He left Newcastle a mess and then got booted from the Broncos. As a modern day coach he is more myth than legend. He was hands on in trying to sign Brandon Smith, Kaylyn Ponga, Cam Munster and now Jack Wighton- all ended up signing contracts for less money that they could have earned at the Dolphins.

However hey if you want to get on the media darling Bennett and the Dolphins good start of 6 wins this year then go ahead.....but don't crap on that its putting Robbo to shame

[MKCS]

Did Robbo put Bennett to shame in 2013 when he won a premiership as unknown whilst Bennett had a open cheque book at Newcastle from 2012?
What about in 2018 when his Broncos got beaten in the semi finals at home against St George 48-18 whilst Robbo got his second premiership?
How about when Robbo knocked Bennetts Rabbits out in the major semi final to win 2019??

Bennett hasn't won a premiership since 2010. He left Newcastle a mess and then got booted from the Broncos. As a modern day coach he is more myth than legend. He was hands on in trying to sign Brandon Smith, Kaylyn Ponga, Cam Munster and now Jack Wighton- all ended up signing contracts for less money that they could have earned at the Dolphins.

However hey if you want to get on the media darling Bennett and the Dolphins good start of 6 wins this year then go ahead.....but don't crap on that its putting Robbo to shame

Not to defend Wayne Bennett because I don't like him and he's never coached a team I've actively supported except Australia almost 20 years ago but you're being a bit harsh on him here I think.

First, yes Robbo has won more premierships in the last 13 years but has Wayne had a team even close to what Robbo has had with the Roosters? I'd say the closest was the 2021 Souths team but even then I'd put our 2018, 2019 and our 2023 squad (On paper) over South Sydney's 2021 squad. 2013 might be comparable to 2021 Souths but I'm not sure.

Second, yes he did miss out on a lot of marquee players including Smith, Ponga, Munster, Wighton and I think a few others were in the Dolphins documentary as well but he also managed to sign grand final winners from successful clubs such as Jesse Bromwich, Kenny Bromwich and Felise Kaufusi, Dolphins will probably slip into the 8 this year and then they have next year to look forward to as Wayne has recruited well managing to get Herbie Farnworth, Thomas Flegler and Josh Kerr to the club. The Dolphins also have enough cap space where they could sign a big named marquee player or get another 2-3 players on the level of Farnworth or Flegler so they very well could go top four in 2024 as long as Wayne continues to recruit well.

Third, Wayne is getting a lot out of some footballers that you would expect to be average. Many people thought that the Dolphins would struggle to win 4-6 games all year and that they'd get pumped most weeks but Wayne is getting a lot out of what he does have which is something most coaches (Including ours) should learn to do.

[Bondicigar]

Let's cut through the BS
coaching is performances based
I'm sure Robbo is aware of this.

if this season is deemed a failure , questions will be asked.
I hope he an turn our season around and there is no reason he can't.
The pressure is building though

[rented tracksuit]

Sorry I hope that didn’t come across as me trying to belittle or question your knowledge & experience, it’s a topic that genuinely interests me and admittedly one I’m constantly evolving my opinion.

I think to your point identifying & understanding what motivates the individual is important and showing genuine interest and desire to improve/make them more successful will always increase engagement but I think motivation still comes from within.

For example, Joey Manu wants to be a spine player (motivation from within). Robinson being aware of that means he can assist the player by providing the tools, coaching & opportunity but the motivation will always be on the side of Joey he either wants it or he doesn’t.

No probs with me R6. We all have different ways of looking at it and understanding it.

[rented tracksuit]

What a load of bullshit.... You sold toilet paper to the starving for 2c a roll during covid.. Hardley a success or motivation!! You stick to Bus trips @ Amsterdam and leave the footy to R6...

You were my biggest customer because you dribble soo much shit. I made plenty off you.

You’ve got Amsterdam on the brain because the only way you can get laid is to pay for it.