Angus

[Random Rooster]

I think Angus is a great guy, and i agree that he would better cope with any issues he has by getting back into footy as soon as possible
I know mental health issues can be treated, and coped with
preferably not by medication,
my personal experiences and those of many others i have spoken to all discourage chemical treatment for more than the bare minimum.
Hopefully it will be sorted out and he will be back to his best soon.
The decision has to be his as to whether he can play again
If he chooses not to play then the contract should be terminated and we should find a replacement.
But there needs to be a timeframe surely.
My argument here has only ever been about what's FAIR for the club, and for Angus.

Nobody wants to take psychiatric drugs but something like bipolar is a lifelong illness. If you can manage it through psychotherapy then of course that's great. However the fact is most cannot get by without medication.

Chances are there are people around you who are bipolar or have severe depression but they have found a level of medication that keeps them happy and functioning- you'd be surprised how many people have their own shit to deal with. Back in day(1800s to late 1970s approx) people with bipolar were sent to Callan Park " lunatic asylum "....you were written off as "gone mad".

The reality of the situation is if he doesn't want to or can't play he will be medically retired-and there's a pathway set out by the NRL if that's the case.....but give him a chance to recover-its only rd 3

If i was a betting man id say Angus will be back on the field in a fraction of time it would take for players with ACL injuries.

[SamKerrSimp]

Still nothing but insults from you keyboard warrior..... how I wish we could meet in person.
The club are trying to get salary cap relief....... because it's their money you fool.
And it's for the next 2 years since he was happy to extend and saying how his best years were ahead of him in late october 2022.

Aren’t you in your 70s? And you want to get violent over words on the internet but you have the nerve to call other people sensitive snowflakes.

You’ve embarrassed yourself every time you talk on this subject regarding Angus Crichton but you don’t have the self awareness to realise it.

[Rooster1908]

[QUOTE=NorfolkStreetKid;n981924]

It's not their choice, they have applied for relief.
I've said what i believe
I really don't care about who agrees with me or doesn't,
and any insults you have to me because I have my own opinion fall on deaf ears
I haven't insulted anyone.

[/QUOT I didnt insult you .

[Dr. Voodoo Man]

I'm not hiding behind anything, and all the ranting by the holier than thou know alls who really don't KNOW anything won't change that.
I said i hoped he would be Ok and be able to play again soon.
I said I hoped there was an investigation into how and why this condition occurred.
I said that IF his condition is a result of anything self inflicted we shouldn't pay him
and we should be able to terminate his contract and buy a replacement.

Or do you have someone on $800K who just did a world cup tour a few months ago
just walk up and tell you i don't feel like I can play......
and the club says
Hey no problem...... well keep paying you $15,000 a week.
$15,000 A WEEK....
just sort yourself out.

Listen you clowns..... I've dealt with depression myself, and no one paid me a cent while I did it.
I thought about suicide many times
I planned it.
It's even a joke that in our nappy wearing world now you can't even call it depression.....
OH NO !!!.... it's MENTAL HEALTH.

I hope he gets better, of course I do
but whether it's a result of something he did, or an illness,
it's not footy related.
so why is the club penalised.?

Hey Norfolk - I don't agree with you about Angus but I understand how you feel about depression. I've been depressed on and off since I was 16 years old and have contemplated suicide more times than I can count. I've certainly planned it as well. When people talk about "are you okay" and all of that shit it makes me deeply uncomfortable. For me it just isn't helpful. No I'm not okay, what now? Truth is there is no answer mostly except to try to get on with life and get through it. Others find this insensitive but from my perspective people who don't suffer from depression don't fully understand it. They mean well but their intentions miss the mark. I find it easier to pretend I'm normal. I'm not sure about Angus. I just hope he gets well but I see your point of view.

[eddie]

Hey Norfolk - I don't agree with you about Angus but I understand how you feel about depression. I've been depressed on and off since I was 16 years old and have contemplated suicide more times than I can count. I've certainly planned it as well. When people talk about "are you okay" and all of that shit it makes me deeply uncomfortable. For me it just isn't helpful. No I'm not okay, what now? Truth is there is no answer mostly except to try to get on with life and get through it. Others find this insensitive but from my perspective people who don't suffer from depression don't fully understand it. They mean well but for their intentions miss the mark. I find it easier to pretend I'm normal. I'm not sure about Angus. I just hope he gets well but I see your point of view.

Yeah I see where you're coming from. Having suffered ptsd and depression I know there are times when it's too difficult to discuss.
I like to pretend I'm normal as well, but what is normal?

[Dr. Voodoo Man]

Yeah I see where you're coming from. Having suffered ptsd and depression I know there are times when it's too difficult to discuss.
I like to pretend I'm normal as well, but what is normal?

Yeah and I don't really want to burden others with my internal bullshit. Its really hard to explain and to be honest I have avoided mentioning it before on the Chookpen.

[mightyrooster]

Hey Norfolk - I don't agree with you about Angus but I understand how you feel about depression. I've been depressed on and off since I was 16 years old and have contemplated suicide more times than I can count. I've certainly planned it as well. When people talk about "are you okay" and all of that shit it makes me deeply uncomfortable. For me it just isn't helpful. No I'm not okay, what now? Truth is there is no answer mostly except to try to get on with life and get through it. Others find this insensitive but from my perspective people who don't suffer from depression don't fully understand it. They mean well but their intentions miss the mark. I find it easier to pretend I'm normal. I'm not sure about Angus. I just hope he gets well but I see your point of view.00

Thanks for sharing your perspective Voodoo.

[NorfolkStreetKid]

I hope Angus gets back to being able to function with his disability soon.

I also hope that he can get back to a standard where he can play for the Roosters.

I hope this bipolar event or episode or ongoing illness can be managed.

My main concern is for the Roosters and them being penalised $750,000 per year for TWO YEARS.

Angus signed an extension in late October 2022 so he must have felt he could play.
Surely he wasn't aware of any Bipolar issues then. but 4 months later he is diagnosed with Bipolar
and his playing future is to be determined.
The Roosters are expected to pay him $750,000 per year and get no relief
but it wasn't a pre existing condition surely.

Because if it was pre existing and he signed an extension knowing about it without informing the club we shouldn't have to pay him anything, and we should be able to get cap relief.

Angus just turned 27. He is quite financailly well off, or should be.
He has probably earned around $3 million over the past 7 years.
He is surrounded by friends and family.
If I was in the same position, and I decided i couldn't cope with professional sport anymore I would walk away.
I wouldn't want to take the money.
Taking it would make me feel worse, guilty, letting people down etc.

Stuff happens to everyone, you deal with it and you move on.
Angus is in a much better position to deal with this than most people.

[NorfolkStreetKid]

Thank you for identifying yourself through your intentional misuse of the quote function. Seriously, How many accounts do you need?

Seriously..... grow up,..... oh and stay healthy LOL

[NorfolkStreetKid]

Aren’t you in your 70s? And you want to get violent over words on the internet but you have the nerve to call other people sensitive snowflakes.

You’ve embarrassed yourself every time you talk on this subject regarding Angus Crichton but you don’t have the self awareness to realise it.

I never said anything about getting violent, I would just love to meet you and discuss our differences.
You bumble on with your insults because I have an opinion which differs to yours,
you take the moral high ground because you think you have back up here and there are no consequences.
I have no opinion of you other than you are a keyboard warrior, and that wasn't a thing I had anything to do with until after I turned 50,
I only got my first personal computer when I was 52.
I am not a violent person, I'v never started a physical fight, but I have ended 4 or 5,
the last one was about 30 years ago,
with a tax bludger who was bragging about working off shore 6 months of the year
and claiming the dole the other 6.
People have opinions here, many will disagree, but there is no need to carry on about it and insult them.
I think you need to grow up, reslly....
It will be better for your mental health...... and maybe mine .

[SamKerrSimp]

I never said anything about getting violent, I would just love to meet you and discuss our differences.
You bumble on with your insults because I have an opinion which differs to yours,
you take the moral high ground because you think you have back up here and there are no consequences.
I have no opinion of you other than you are a keyboard warrior, and that wasn't a thing I had anything to do with until after I turned 50,
I only got my first personal computer when I was 52.
I am not a violent person, I'v never started a physical fight, but I have ended 4 or 5,
the last one was about 30 years ago,
with a tax bludger who was bragging about working off shore 6 months of the year
and claiming the dole the other 6.
People have opinions here, many will disagree, but there is no need to carry on about it and insult them.
I think you need to grow up, reslly....
It will be better for your mental health...... and maybe mine .

What is this dementia rambling about? You wrote all of this and you still think I want to meet you, jeez

[Eggspert]

I hope Angus gets back to being able to function with his disability soon.

I also hope that he can get back to a standard where he can play for the Roosters.

I hope this bipolar event or episode or ongoing illness can be managed.

My main concern is for the Roosters and them being penalised $750,000 per year for TWO YEARS.

Angus signed an extension in late October 2022 so he must have felt he could play.
Surely he wasn't aware of any Bipolar issues then. but 4 months later he is diagnosed with Bipolar
and his playing future is to be determined.
The Roosters are expected to pay him $750,000 per year and get no relief
but it wasn't a pre existing condition surely.

Because if it was pre existing and he signed an extension knowing about it without informing the club we shouldn't have to pay him anything, and we should be able to get cap relief.

Angus just turned 27. He is quite financailly well off, or should be.
He has probably earned around $3 million over the past 7 years.
He is surrounded by friends and family.
If I was in the same position, and I decided i couldn't cope with professional sport anymore I would walk away.
I wouldn't want to take the money.
Taking it would make me feel worse, guilty, letting people down etc.

Stuff happens to everyone, you deal with it and you move on.
Angus is in a much better position to deal with this than most people.

Definitely a complex issue which has reared up.

Obviously the club knows the full truth & at this early stage the number one priority is the players welfare. Angus couldn't be at a better club in the league to guide him through this. The club must already know if/when he is likely to be back.

But obviously if there's no sign of his return during the season then yes a Rugby League business decision will need to be made you would think as he's a valuable highly paid player.

[NorfolkStreetKid]

What is this dementia rambling about? You wrote all of this and you still think I want to meet you, jeez

Jeez ?? really ? How old are you ?
Have to be a millenial I guess.
You can't help yourself can you ? So now you want to make fun of me having dementia ?

[Jacks Fur Coat]

Hey Norfolk - I don't agree with you about Angus but I understand how you feel about depression. I've been depressed on and off since I was 16 years old and have contemplated suicide more times than I can count. I've certainly planned it as well. When people talk about "are you okay" and all of that shit it makes me deeply uncomfortable. For me it just isn't helpful. No I'm not okay, what now? Truth is there is no answer mostly except to try to get on with life and get through it. Others find this insensitive but from my perspective people who don't suffer from depression don't fully understand it. They mean well but their intentions miss the mark. I find it easier to pretend I'm normal. I'm not sure about Angus. I just hope he gets well but I see your point of view.

Sorry to hear things got that crook mate, and kudos to you for speaking openly about it. That can help others too.

[mightyrooster]

What is this dementia rambling about? You wrote all of this and you still think I want to meet you, jeez

Low blow there Sam.