Angus

[Jacks Fur Coat]

Summed it up perfectly Lip.

[Roosterfarian]

So many ignorant views and comments on this thread and I don't mean that in a nasty way. Just saying there are some big voices calling for the club to throw the baby out with the bath water based on assumptions made with a lack of knowledge on the subject and the individual situation. Also based on a premise of wrong doing by Angus that to be honest if we honestly found out the real truth about players in the game that have taken illicit substances and kicked them all out we wouldn't be able to field 4 teams in the nrl! it's a large part of modern society.

He didn't kill anyone, bash anyone, rape, defraud, steal, or any other egregious crime. He did represent the Roosters and well enough to be picked multiple times to represent his state and country. He's performed at a very high level for our club, won a premiership with the club.

He did set up multiple charities and organisations to help those in need and the under privileged in society.

He has likely done all of this whilst struggling with this disorder. He is and has been a great example of a high functioning individual with a mental illness. How many of us can say we have set up and worked for charities that help the underprivileged or disadvantaged to the extent Angus has done - and at such a young stage in our lives whilst extremely busy with our careers and just our own lives and having a good time for ourselves?

Personally I applaud this guy for what he has done and the obvious difficult circumstances he has done it under. What an unselfish and well rounded individual.

Did he take illicit substances - we don't know - but so what if he did. It doesn't take away from anything he has achieved or will achieve in the future. If you want to chuck him out for that then you will be chucking out half of modern day society.

Gus is getting the help he needs to overcome or learn to live with this disorder - he deserves the space and time to do that just like a guy who tears his ACL deserves his time to rehab and get back to the paddock.

I can't wait to see him come back and wear our jersey again and perform at the level he is capable of and has already done for us. I'm sure he will. He's a good human Gus and I wish him all the best.

Yes the club would have done an "investigation " into the situation and they are supporting his recovery - let them who are in the know make the decisions they have with the relevant information and trust that they have done so. It's better they make the decisions than anyone else who is simply speculating with only one tenth (at most) of the necessary visibility needed to do so.

Great post mun.

[The Lip]

He never said it was self-inflicted. He said 'If'. I tend to agree with his post. Why does everyone feel the need to tip-toe through these sorts of issues and why does everyone think the employer has a duty of care? I'll tell you why, it's because we live in a cotton wool society where fainting couches must now be provided at birth so the pearl clutching do-gooders can feel good about themselves. Suddenly it's all about player welfare when it comes to mental issues, but on another hand, we all hear about the therapeutic benefits of going out there and being physical and active. So which one is it? Do we keep Angus in bubble-wrap or do we tell him to snap out of it, get over his dramas and get out there and justify his massive pay packet?

If everyone got paid time off work for every real or imagined ailment, nobody would turn up for work. But then I suppose that's what socialists are trying to do to the world isn't it?

You blokes can't keep hiding behind the "if" word

[NorfolkStreetKid]

You blokes can't keep hiding behind the "if" word

I'm not hiding behind anything, and all the ranting by the holier than thou know alls who really don't KNOW anything won't change that.
I said i hoped he would be Ok and be able to play again soon.
I said I hoped there was an investigation into how and why this condition occurred.
I said that IF his condition is a result of anything self inflicted we shouldn't pay him
and we should be able to terminate his contract and buy a replacement.

Or do you have someone on $800K who just did a world cup tour a few months ago
just walk up and tell you i don't feel like I can play......
and the club says
Hey no problem...... well keep paying you $15,000 a week.
$15,000 A WEEK....
just sort yourself out.

Listen you clowns..... I've dealt with depression myself, and no one paid me a cent while I did it.
I thought about suicide many times
I planned it.
It's even a joke that in our nappy wearing world now you can't even call it depression.....
OH NO !!!.... it's MENTAL HEALTH.

I hope he gets better, of course I do
but whether it's a result of something he did, or an illness,
it's not footy related.
so why is the club penalised.?

[The Lip]

So you think in your small mind if he did illicit substances then that caused his condition? There is as much literature about the benefits of some illicit substances as the downsides LSD being one of them. Anyway not here to argue that that has no concrete answer and a subject I know very little about.

Also I try to make it a point in life to never argue with idiots - they just drag you down to their level then beat you with experience!

[SamKerrSimp]

Just shut up Norfolk it’s not your money to worry about if the club want to support Angus in any way they see fit regardless of whether he brought it on himself or not, which itself is a stupidly ignorant question and shows you have no idea, why does it bother you how they do it? You are miles behind so stay there in silence.

[NorfolkStreetKid]

Just shut up Norfolk it’s not your money to worry about if the club want to support Angus in any way they see fit regardless of whether he brought it on himself or not, which itself is a stupidly ignorant question and shows you have no idea, why does it bother you how they do it? You are miles behind so stay there in silence.

Still nothing but insults from you keyboard warrior..... how I wish we could meet in person.
The club are trying to get salary cap relief....... because it's their money you fool.
And it's for the next 2 years since he was happy to extend and saying how his best years were ahead of him in late october 2022.

[Random Rooster]

I'm not hiding behind anything, and all the ranting by the holier than thou know alls who really don't KNOW anything won't change that.
I said i hoped he would be Ok and be able to play again soon.
I said I hoped there was an investigation into how and why this condition occurred.
I said that IF his condition is a result of anything self inflicted we shouldn't pay him
and we should be able to terminate his contract and buy a replacement.

The exact cause of bipolar disorder isn’t known- just the standard hypothesis such as environment, genetics etc. Your investigation into "how and why" is something researchers are trying to answer for every person with bi-polar disorder. You cannot give yourself bi-polar that's self inflicted. Most people with the disorder find a happy medium with medication and psychotherapy- although many go off their medication because they think they are ok and don't need it and the whole cycle starts again and you're back in the trough. Im sure Angus will be ok and my gut feeling is coming back to footy will help with his condition.

He's a great guy who does so much for the community and deserves the clubs and fans support

[Carlos Parra]

Just shut up Norfolk it’s not your money to worry about if the club want to support Angus in any way they see fit regardless of whether he brought it on himself or not, which itself is a stupidly ignorant question and shows you have no idea, why does it bother you how they do it? You are miles behind so stay there in silence.

If things are as bad as people are suggesting, surely any smart employer would ensure their player is insured BEFORE contracting them. A league player might not get cover for physical injuries, or there'd be lots of exclusions on the policy, or the premium would be astronomical. Where mental health is the issue, I'd assume it might be easier to get cover. If Angus had income protection insurance for mental disorders, the club would not need to pay him.

[Rooster1908]

I'm not hiding behind anything, and all the ranting by the holier than thou know alls who really don't KNOW anything won't change that.
I said i hoped he would be Ok and be able to play again soon.
I said I hoped there was an investigation into how and why this condition occurred.
I said that IF his condition is a result of anything self inflicted we shouldn't pay him
and we should be able to terminate his contract and buy a replacement.

Or do you have someone on $800K who just did a world cup tour a few months ago
just walk up and tell you i don't feel like I can play......
and the club says
Hey no problem...... well keep paying you $15,000 a week.
$15,000 A WEEK....
just sort yourself out.

Listen you clowns..... I've dealt with depression myself, and no one paid me a cent while I did it.
I thought about suicide many times
I planned it.
It's even a joke that in our nappy wearing world now you can't even call it depression.....
OH NO !!!.... it's MENTAL HEALTH.

I hope he gets better, of course I do
but whether it's a result of something he did, or an illness,
it's not footy related.
so why is the club penalised.?

Because they choose to support a valuable member of our team and society and they have chosen , like me and many others to support him .

[NorfolkStreetKid]

[QUOTE=Random Rooster;n981916]

The exact cause of bipolar disorder isn’t known- just the standard hypothesis such as environment, genetics etc. Your investigation into "how and why" is something researchers are trying to answer for every person with bi-polar disorder. You cannot give yourself bi-polar that's self inflicted. Most people with the disorder find a happy medium with medication and psychotherapy- although many go off their medication because they think they are ok and don't need it and the whole cycle starts again and you're back in the trough. Im sure Angus will be ok and my gut feeling is coming back to footy will help with his condition.

He's a great guy who does so much for the community and deserves the clubs and fans support[/QUO

I think Angus is a great guy, and i agree that he would better cope with any issues he has by getting back into footy as soon as possible
I know mental health issues can be treated, and coped with
preferably not by medication,
my personal experiences and those of many others i have spoken to all discourage chemical treatment for more than the bare minimum.
Hopefully it will be sorted out and he will be back to his best soon.
The decision has to be his as to whether he can play again
If he chooses not to play then the contract should be terminated and we should find a replacement.
But there needs to be a timeframe surely.
My argument here has only ever been about what's FAIR for the club, and for Angus.

[mightyrooster]

I'm not hiding behind anything, and all the ranting by the holier than thou know alls who really don't KNOW anything won't change that.
I said i hoped he would be Ok and be able to play again soon.
I said I hoped there was an investigation into how and why this condition occurred.
I said that IF his condition is a result of anything self inflicted we shouldn't pay him
and we should be able to terminate his contract and buy a replacement.

Or do you have someone on $800K who just did a world cup tour a few months ago
just walk up and tell you i don't feel like I can play......
and the club says
Hey no problem...... well keep paying you $15,000 a week.
$15,000 A WEEK....
just sort yourself out.

Listen you clowns..... I've dealt with depression myself, and no one paid me a cent while I did it.
I thought about suicide many times
I planned it.
It's even a joke that in our nappy wearing world now you can't even call it depression.....
OH NO !!!.... it's MENTAL HEALTH.

I hope he gets better, of course I do
but whether it's a result of something he did, or an illness,
it's not footy related.
so why is the club penalised.?

Mental Health is just an umbrella term to cover the FULL range of conditions which may affect a person's behaviour or mood etc. It's not just depression. There are things like eating disorders, anxiety, schizophrenia, depression, bipolar and addiction. Depression is a completely different diagnosis to anorexia or bulimia, but they all fall under mental health as opposed to a physical health disorder. The term isn't used to appear woke.

[NorfolkStreetKid]

Because they choose to support a valuable member of our team and society and they have chosen , like me and many others to support him .

It's not their choice, they have applied for relief.
I've said what i believe
I really don't care about who agrees with me or doesn't,
and any insults you have to me because I have my own opinion fall on deaf ears
I haven't insulted anyone.

[ism22]

(QUOTE=Random Rooster)

The exact cause of bipolar disorder isn’t known- just the standard hypothesis such as environment, genetics etc. Your investigation into "how and why" is something researchers are trying to answer for every person with bi-polar disorder. You cannot give yourself bi-polar that's self inflicted. Most people with the disorder find a happy medium with medication and psychotherapy- although many go off their medication because they think they are ok and don't need it and the whole cycle starts again and you're back in the trough. Im sure Angus will be ok and my gut feeling is coming back to footy will help with his condition.

He's a great guy who does so much for the community and deserves the clubs and fans support(/QUO)

I think Angus is a great guy, and i agree that he would better cope with any issues he has by getting back into footy as soon as possible
I know mental health issues can be treated, and coped with
preferably not by medication,
my personal experiences and those of many others i have spoken to all discourage chemical treatment for more than the bare minimum.
Hopefully it will be sorted out and he will be back to his best soon.
The decision has to be his as to whether he can play again
If he chooses not to play then the contract should be terminated and we should find a replacement.
But there needs to be a timeframe surely.
My argument here has only ever been about what's FAIR for the club, and for Angus.

Thank you for identifying yourself through your intentional misuse of the quote function. Seriously, How many accounts do you need?

[QWERTY]

Wow, this thread’s still going?