Combined B2B Premiership 17 - Who is the best of the modern era?

[HunchoRooster]

Unfortunately our glorious B2B achievement has been matched by the mob out west. Given they've been giving it the big ones over the past couple of days calling themselves the best Penriff team ever and some are calling their achievement better than us. Now we can debate the ins and outs of that by looking at season stats, points scored, total competition points, etc. I don't want to debate that aspect of it. I got thinking though, would these Pamfah's boys have been able to beat our 18-19 team and would any of them have made it in. Hence this thread.

The criteria:
Pick a combined 17 made up of players solely who featured in the grand final squads from either 2018, 2019 for us and 2021 and 2022 for them. You can only pick players on the bench who were actually on the interchange bench in any of those grand finals. You cannot for instance stack the bench with spine players and superstars who missed the cut in the starting side. The player doesn't need to feature in both wins, only 1 qualifies (e.g. Fergo, Capewell).

My team:
1. Teddy
2. Tupou
3. Latrell
4. Manu
5. B-Moz
6. Keary
7. Cronk
8. JWH
9. Friend
10. Fisher-Harris
11. Cordner
12. Kikau
13. Yeo
14. Korosau
15. SST
16. Angus
17. Matto

I've tried to be as unbiased as possible. I don't think you could argue with many and I'm hoping it will shut the debate up a bit. Clearly we had the better side man for man. Keep in mind we are judging them against the time they played in - e.g. Keary 19 vs Luai 22 not Keary 22 vs Luai 22 or Cleary 19 vs Cronk 19.

Interested to get everyone's thoughts.

[The Oracle]

Who is your coach?

[ism22]

I feel like it's the same as asking 'is Rod Laver better than Roger Federer' or similar. We won B2B in 2018/19 and that's all that matters to me.

My judgment is biased but the best players of 2018/19 and 2021/22 would be something like...
1. Teddy
2. Toops
3. Latrell
4. Manu
5. B-Moz
6. Keary
7. Cronk
8. JWH
9. Friend
10. SST
11. Cords
12. Crichton
13 Rads

14. Verrills
15. Maubs
16. Liu
17. Matto

If the 2021/2022 were to face that team at full fitness (hint:they basically did pre-2022) they'd get their pants pulled down. Alas, that's not how footy works. A lot of these guys have moved on and the Riff are currently the big dogs.

One could then start adding 2013 players into the mix (e.g. SBW, RTS, Guerra, LOD, Moa, Skidz, Jennings, Maloney...etc) and it'd just get silly. IMO the overarching observation is that we've been the more dominant team over the past decade. The way it's shaping up, the Riff may well be the most dominant team over the coming decade. To me this doesn't take away from our achievements one bit as they are still in the history books.

[HunchoRooster]

Who is your coach?

Robbo of course

[rented tracksuit]

This is a Roosters forum. Of course we were better!

[weplayforprems]

Unfortunately our glorious B2B achievement has been matched by the mob out west. Given they've been giving it the big ones over the past couple of days calling themselves the best Penriff team ever and some are calling their achievement better than us. Now we can debate the ins and outs of that by looking at season stats, points scored, total competition points, etc. I don't want to debate that aspect of it. I got thinking though, would these Pamfah's boys have been able to beat our 18-19 team and would any of them have made it in. Hence this thread.

The criteria:
Pick a combined 17 made up of players solely who featured in the grand final squads from either 2018, 2019 for us and 2021 and 2022 for them. You can only pick players on the bench who were actually on the interchange bench in any of those grand finals. You cannot for instance stack the bench with spine players and superstars who missed the cut in the starting side. The player doesn't need to feature in both wins, only 1 qualifies (e.g. Fergo, Capewell).

My team:
1. Teddy
2. Tupou
3. Latrell
4. Manu
5. B-Moz
6. Keary
7. Cronk
8. JWH
9. Friend
10. Fisher-Harris
11. Cordner
12. Kikau
13. Yeo
14. Korosau
15. SST
16. Angus
17. Matto

I've tried to be as unbiased as possible. I don't think you could argue with many and I'm hoping it will shut the debate up a bit. Clearly we had the better side man for man. Keep in mind we are judging them against the time they played in - e.g. Keary 19 vs Luai 22 not Keary 22 vs Luai 22 or Cleary 19 vs Cronk 19.

Interested to get everyone's thoughts.

Only things I could argue with there are maybe To’o for BMoz and any of Radley/Leota/Martin over Matto. Matto would be nowhere near that combined 17

[Headless Chook]

1 Tedesco
2 To'o
3 Mitchell
4 Manu
5 Morris
6 Keary
7 Cleary
8 JWH
9 Friend
10 Fisher-Harris
11 Cordner
12 Kikau
13 Yeo

14 SST
15 Radley
16 Angus Crichton
17 Api

[milanja]

Unfortunately our glorious B2B achievement has been matched by the mob out west. Given they've been giving it the big ones over the past couple of days calling themselves the best Penriff team ever and some are calling their achievement better than us. Now we can debate the ins and outs of that by looking at season stats, points scored, total competition points, etc. I don't want to debate that aspect of it. I got thinking though, would these Pamfah's boys have been able to beat our 18-19 team and would any of them have made it in. Hence this thread.

The criteria:
Pick a combined 17 made up of players solely who featured in the grand final squads from either 2018, 2019 for us and 2021 and 2022 for them. You can only pick players on the bench who were actually on the interchange bench in any of those grand finals. You cannot for instance stack the bench with spine players and superstars who missed the cut in the starting side. The player doesn't need to feature in both wins, only 1 qualifies (e.g. Fergo, Capewell).

My team:
1. Teddy
2. Tupou/To’o
3. Latrell
4. Manu
5. B-Moz
6. Keary
7. Cronk
8. JWH
9. Friend/API
10. Fisher-Harris
11. Cordner
12. Kikau
13. Yeo
14. Korosau/friend
15. SST
16. Angus
17. Matto/burton

I've tried to be as unbiased as possible. I don't think you could argue with many and I'm hoping it will shut the debate up a bit. Clearly we had the better side man for man. Keep in mind we are judging them against the time they played in - e.g. Keary 19 vs Luai 22 not Keary 22 vs Luai 22 or Cleary 19 vs Cronk 19.

Interested to get everyone's thoughts.

My only possible changes

[King Salvo]

1. Tedesco
2. To'o
3. Mitchell
4. Manu
5. B. Morris
6. Luai
7. Cleary (VC)
8. JWH
9. Friend
10. Fisher-Harris
11. Cordner (C)
12. Kikau
13. Yeo

Bench

14. Koroisau
15. Leota
16. Martin
17. SST

Reserves

18. Momirovski
19. A. Crichton

Coach - Trent Robinson
Assistants - Ivan Cleary / Cameron Ciraldo / Craig Fitzgibbon

[eddie]

2018.....................that team that demolished Slater and the storm would account for Penrith as well.

[player 1]

Come back to me when Pamfers win 2 titles despite weekly arse-reaming by the match officials and targeting by the MRC of their best players. Then we'll talk.

[DP1990]

My 17:


1. Teddy
2. Tupou
3. Latrell
4. Manu
5. To'O
6. Keary
7. Cronk
8. JWH
9. Friend
10. JFH
11. Cordner
12. Kikau
13. Yeo

14. Koroisau
15. SST
16. Angus
17. Radley

18: Burton


Coach: Robbo

[FlamingRooster]

1. Tedesco
2. To'o
3. Mitchell
4. Manu
5. Ferguson
6. Keary
7. Cleary
8. JWH
9. Koroisau
10. Fisher Harris
11. Cordner
12. Kikau
13. Yeo

Bench seeing as we're going by bench, I'm not going to put any players that started in the Grand Final in 2018/19/21/22
14. Angus Crichton (2019 bench)
15. Jake Friend (2019 Bench)
16. SST (2019 bench)
17. Spencer Lenieu (21 +22 bench)

18: SOS

[Johnny Brass]

1:Teddy
2:To'o
3:Mitchell
4:Manu
5:Bmoz
6:Keary
7:Cleary
8:JWH
9:Api
10:JFH
11:Kikau
12:Cordner
13:Yeo
14:Aubo
15:SST
16:Leota
17:Burton

[Tommy Smith]

1. Tedesco
2. To'o
3. Mitchell
4. Manu
5. B. Morris
6. Luai
7. Cleary (VC)
8. JWH
9. Friend
10. Fisher-Harris
11. Cordner (C)
12. Kikau
13. Yeo

Bench

14. Koroisau
15. Leota
16. Martin
17. SST

Reserves

18. Momirovski
19. A. Crichton

Coach - Trent Robinson
Assistants - Ivan Cleary / Cameron Ciraldo / Craig Fitzgibbon

Keary over Luai and it isn't particularly close.

One is a million dollar playmaker who can run a team, the other rides the coattails of his halfback.