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  • Sydney Roosters "Mount Rushmore"

    It's an American thing based of the landmark Mount Rushmore of the 4 most iconic (maybe greatest? Idk about their history much) American Presidents but I thought this would be fun for an off-season topic: What is your Sydney Roosters Mount Rushmore? I am going to make the criteria that you have to choose the 4 people who made the greatest impact on the club and are iconic to the club.

    Dally Messenger. It's arguable that without Dally Messenger signing with the Eastern Suburbs team for the inaugural season in 1908 that we wouldn't even be here today discussing rugby league such was his popularity and talent. He is currently immortalised in our game with the prestigious Dally M medal awarded in his name to the best and fairest player of each season and three Sydney Roosters have received the award (1992 - Gary Freeman, 2010 - Todd Carney, 2019 - James Tedesco) He didn't play much for the club but 113 years after his debut he is arguably one of the most important people in the history of the game and our club.

    Jack Gibson. He played over 100 matches for the club throughout the 1950's but his legacy was cemented as the innovative coach of the team. His first coaching assignment was to take the winless 1966 team and took them to the finals for the first time in 7 years in 1967 but it was in 1974 and 1975 where his status as a legend of the club was cemented bringing back-to-back premierships in dominant fashion winning 19 and 20 games respectively before conveniently losing the semi-final so as to not have another week off before the grand final and winning both preliminary finals in dominant fashion. The 19 wins in a row of the 1975 team is still unbroken and the 38-0 scoreline of the 1975 decider remains one of the most iconic matches in rugby league history.

    Arthur Beetson. The captain and leader of the aforementioned 1974 and 1975 dominant premiership winning teams he arguably stands tall above all others who have played for the mighty club. He is definitely the first Indigenous captain of the Australian rugby league test side but I believe he was the first Indigenous captain of any Australian side in any sport, along with Tommy Raudonikis he arguably is the reason why State of Origin is one of the highlights of the rugby league calendar, he played over 120 games for the Roosters, he coached the club 3 different times, he was a talent scout, he was a hero to a generation of Roosters supporters and Indigenous players to this day still speak of the impact he had on their lives and playing career.

    Nick Politis. You could argue that Dally Messenger is the reason why we are still here as fans of rugby league but we might not be here specifically as Roosters fan if it weren't for The Godfather. He's been involved with the club for nearly 50 years first as a sponsor in 1976 and then becoming chairman which he still holds today and it is with his appointment as chairman in 1993 which would see the club turn around its poor fortunes from the 1980s in to a period of success know as "the decade of excellence" and further on to the success of the Trent Robinson era. I think we'd struggle to have a team in the competition if it weren't for Nick with all the upheaval and culling of teams, particularly foundation clubs, in the 1990s.

    Thoughts? Anyone see it different? At the very least I can't see Artie and Jack not being there. Brad Fittler makes a very, very close 5th and in my list it's between Messenger and Fittler and as much as I love Freddy I have to go with Messenger since from what I've read he really was extremely influential in getting the game popular and without him we might not be talking rugby league today. In 5 years time I can see myself reviewing this and trying to figure out which one of Messenger, Gibson, Beetson, Politis and Robinson I have to leave off and really Robbo is probably already there and if I was to keep it strictly to players and coaches he'd likely replace Politis.

    In all likelihood I see the contenders of a Sydney Roosters Mount Rushmore to come from a pool of: Dally Messenger, Ray Stehr, Dave Brown, Jack Gibson, Arthur Beetson, Kevin Hastings, Nick Politis, Brad Fittler and Trent Robinson.

  • #2
    You got it right in my opinion.

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    • #3
      Agree with Messenger, Beetson, Politis.............but not Jack Gibson for 2 reasons.

      1. He coached for 5 other clubs, including long stints with the Vermin, Eels and Sharks. Not enough loyalty imo to be considered.
      2. Robinson has achieved just as much (or arguably more) as Gibson with the Roosters now, so why not him.

      Controversial maybe, but I would have Messenger, Beetson, Politis, Robinson.

      Robbos has:

      1. Coached the Roosters for more games than any other coach in our history, and shows no sign of stopping.
      2. 3 Premierships and more to come, including the famous 2-peat.
      3. Coached the Roosters to the most wins of any coach in the history of the club.
      4. Dredgd the club out from a very poor culture, into the pinnacle of the league. Many top players crave to play for Robbo, and at the Roosters due to Robbos leadership.
      5. A real intellectual charachter. There are plenty of smart coaches out there, but none of them quite have the same approach to sportsmanship and a fair go as Robbo. He is a one of a kind.

      It might be hard for some people to see if because it's happening NOW.

      But people looking back in 20 or 30 years time will be in absolute awe of the Roosters 2013-2020 era.
      Its more impressive than both the Green Machine era of Canberra, and the dominant run of Brisbane in the 90s imo - both eras of which are lauded in the annals of history.
      Last edited by Steakface; 09-20-2021, 01:17 AM.

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      • #4
        Agree with Steakface. I can't leave Robbo out.

        Dally Messenger
        Nick Politis
        Arthur Beetson
        Trent Robinson

        If there was a second My Rushmore it'd probably have:

        Arthur Pony Holloway - won 2 Premierships as a player and FOUR as a coach. Holloway is very unlucky to not appear on the Mt Rushmore
        Jack Gibson
        Brad Fittler
        Ray Stehr

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        • #5
          Dally M
          Artie
          Nick
          Freddy


          Freddy dragged us single handed from the gutter to a heavyweight team.. hard to leave Robbo out but everything the club is today was kick started by Freddy.
          My Roosters Channel - youtube.com/IRoostermanI
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          • #6
            Dave Brown...DallyM...Artie...Coote...JWH...Freddy...Te ddy...Unc Nick...Robbo...Gibbo..Mount Bondi Tribe
            Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe

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            • #7
              Yeah I don't agree with Jack. He's probably more famous for what he did with Parra than what he did with us. As Steakface said, Robbo has already done more for us than Jack did anyway

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Steakface View Post
                Agree with Messenger, Beetson, Politis.............but not Jack Gibson for 2 reasons.

                1. He coached for 5 other clubs, including long stints with the Vermin, Eels and Sharks. Not enough loyalty imo to be considered.
                2. Robinson has achieved just as much (or arguably more) as Gibson with the Roosters now, so why not him.

                Controversial maybe, but I would have Messenger, Beetson, Politis, Robinson.

                Robbos has:

                1. Coached the Roosters for more games than any other coach in our history, and shows no sign of stopping.
                2. 3 Premierships and more to come, including the famous 2-peat.
                3. Coached the Roosters to the most wins of any coach in the history of the club.
                4. Dredgd the club out from a very poor culture, into the pinnacle of the league. Many top players crave to play for Robbo, and at the Roosters due to Robbos leadership.
                5. A real intellectual charachter. There are plenty of smart coaches out there, but none of them quite have the same approach to sportsmanship and a fair go as Robbo. He is a one of a kind.

                It might be hard for some people to see if because it's happening NOW.

                But people looking back in 20 or 30 years time will be in absolute awe of the Roosters 2013-2020 era.
                Its more impressive than both the Green Machine era of Canberra, and the dominant run of Brisbane in the 90s imo - both eras of which are lauded in the annals of history.
                Big Jack played for Easts (123 games ) and Coached them(119 games- 68% WP) to 2 premierships/AMCO Cup/World Club Challenge and would have to be one of the 4 - Big Jack didn't like to stay at clubs for more than 3 years

                Took over as Coach of a Easts side in 1967 that had finished last the previous 2 seasons ( 1965/66) including not winning a game in 1966 and took them to consecutive semi finals in 1967/1968 with basically the same squad of players.

                BJG only Coached for 16 Years for 5 premierships (6 Grandfinals) - 11 seasons out of 16 his teams made the finals - 62% winning percentage
                • Easts - 5 Seasons - 1967/1968 and 1974 -1976
                • St George - 2 Seasons - 1970-1971
                • Newtown - 1 Season - 1973
                • Souths - 2 Seasons - 1978-1979
                • Parramatta - 3 Seasons - 1981-1983
                • Cronulla - 3 Seasons- 1985 - 1987

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                • #9
                  Nick Kouporitsis needs to get a look into surely?
                  Exonerate the West Memphis Three - www.wm3.org

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Steakface View Post
                    Agree with Messenger, Beetson, Politis.............but not Jack Gibson for 2 reasons.

                    1. He coached for 5 other clubs, including long stints with the Vermin, Eels and Sharks. Not enough loyalty imo to be considered.
                    2. Robinson has achieved just as much (or arguably more) as Gibson with the Roosters now, so why not him.

                    Controversial maybe, but I would have Messenger, Beetson, Politis, Robinson.

                    Robbos has:

                    1. Coached the Roosters for more games than any other coach in our history, and shows no sign of stopping.
                    2. 3 Premierships and more to come, including the famous 2-peat.
                    3. Coached the Roosters to the most wins of any coach in the history of the club.
                    4. Dredgd the club out from a very poor culture, into the pinnacle of the league. Many top players crave to play for Robbo, and at the Roosters due to Robbos leadership.
                    5. A real intellectual charachter. There are plenty of smart coaches out there, but none of them quite have the same approach to sportsmanship and a fair go as Robbo. He is a one of a kind.

                    It might be hard for some people to see if because it's happening NOW.

                    But people looking back in 20 or 30 years time will be in absolute awe of the Roosters 2013-2020 era.
                    Its more impressive than both the Green Machine era of Canberra, and the dominant run of Brisbane in the 90s imo - both eras of which are lauded in the annals of history.
                    In reference to your reason for not Including BJG - You do know that Beetson played for Balmain (74 games) before coming to Easts (131 Games ) and also played for Parramatta (16 games) - Coached Easts in 2 and a bit stints -1977-1978 and 1985-1988 and a part one of 6 games in 1994 and Cronulla 1992-1993

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Roosterfarian View Post
                      Nick Kouporitsis needs to get a look into surely?
                      The legendary Spiro Strattos deserves consideration as well

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Headless Chook View Post
                        Yeah I don't agree with Jack. He's probably more famous for what he did with Parra than what he did with us. As Steakface said, Robbo has already done more for us than Jack did anyway
                        not correct-see my other posts

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by King Salvo View Post

                          not correct-see my other posts
                          That's your opinion, it's not fact. Same as in my opinion if you ask the average fan in the street, most will remember Gibson as the Parra coach with the fur coat, not some guy who took over the Roosters in 1966.

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                          • #14
                            I'd be calling for our great wing-three-quarter Michael "Prince of the Precipice" Appleby to get a guernsey.

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                            • #15
                              I think you nailed it Sam Kerr.

                              Jack and Artie pick themselves. Easts legends and probably will be in another 100 years. Dally and Nick of course...what a monument with that quartet!

                              Wouldn't consider Robbo as he's still cooking. Will create his own legacy, can understand why some of our newbies are enamoured with him though. Maybe gets his own impressive bust when he departs.

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