Ideas for the review of the NRL Judiciary System- Discuss

[King Salvo]

Last time it was reviewed was in 2012 and PVL has indicated it will be reviewed again at seasons end

Some Suggestions I have include

* 2 Year Incident free discount and or Credit system

7 years is too long in having to play 7 years before this kicks in

Currently players with carryovers have 5 points deducted from their carryovers for each game played without incident.

Is 5 points enough?? i.e if you have 50 carryover points it will take you 10 games of incident free footy to reduce this to 0

My suggestion is all players receive points for each game played without incident irrespective of whether they have carryovers or not- These credits can then be used to offset carryovers as they currently are and or any charge which attracts points in the future

These credit points accumulate - ongoing for the players career

* Loading's for similar and non similar offences.

Grade 1's should only be fines - increase the fines for subsequent grade 1 offences - Grade 1's don't count towards any loading's- Grade 1's currently drop off after a year

Some grade 1's though attract significant points - kicking/striking/dropping knees/shoulder charge/crusher tackles attract 200 points and reckless high tackle 400 points- so not finable offences based on the points allocated.

Loading's for similar offences change to same offence irrespective of grade i.e second offence for a dangerous tackle head high grade 2 or 3 for a player with 1 of these already a 25% loading - 3rd 50% - 4th 75% - 5th 100%

Loading's for non similar/same offences - currently 20% - as above should only be for grade 2 and grade 3 offences- is 20% too high?

In the real world previously offences whether same or not are taken into account in the sentencing phase so i don't think they will get rid of either of the loading's (similar or non similar) the percentage of the loading for each

* Early Plea discount - 25%

Currently available only to players that take the early plea

Should this or a lesser percentage say 12.5% be available for players that please guilty but dispute the grading?

It's a plea bargain type of thing so players that plead not guilty and fight the charge and are unsuccessful forfeit their right to any reductions - if the players is successful they retain the early plea discount


https://www.nrl.com/operations/the-game/judiciary-code/

[MCMLXVI]

A can of petrol and a box of matches.

[zac]

* Early Please discount - 25%

if you add a happy ending discount everyone's a winner.

yep, the loading has to be changed. personally i don't have a problem with getting rid of it altogether.

the other thing is time spent in the sin bin should be worth a bigger discount on any charge. losing someone for 10 can be worse than not losing that person in that game and having them suspended for the next

[King Salvo]

if you add a happy ending discount everyone's a winner.

yep, the loading has to be changed. personally i don't have a problem with getting rid of it altogether.

the other thing is time spent in the sin bin should be worth a bigger discount on any charge. losing someone for 10 can be worse than not losing that person in that game and having them suspended for the next

They wont be getting rid of loading's though for repeat offenders as i said - same as the real world court system where prior offences whether the same or not are taken into account in the sentencing phase.

If a player was sin binned in the 79th minute what discount would they receive?

[The Axe]

All loading and carry over points wiped for all clubs, at end of regular season.
Ability to accept monetary fine but challenge the carry over points

[Johnny Brass]

Loading is rubbish and besides the really bad offences should be canned. Crusher tackles 200 points has become a blight on the game where the attacker now is putting themselves in the dangerous position by backing into defenders who are put in impossible decisions.
Monetary fines and move along instead of scrubbing stars out of the game on the whim of certain refs who might take a set against you and report yet call play on for others.

[redwhiteblue]

Loading is rubbish and besides the really bad offences should be canned. Crusher tackles 200 points has become a blight on the game where the attacker now is putting themselves in the dangerous position by backing into defenders who are put in impossible decisions.
Monetary fines and move along instead of scrubbing stars out of the game on the whim of certain refs who might take a set against you and report yet call play on for others.

Agree Johnny. The average league fan can't understand the loading system and we after all are the customer/consumer paying our memberships to support the game. The players are confused and the coaches and club administrators frustrated. I get annoyed when I need to go look up someone's previous history with the judiciary to see what the likely outcome will be for the player on report (usually JWH or Rads anyways) and it's too wordy and convoluted.

Get rid of the loading as something that someone did in previous games should not affect what happens 5 months down the track. Serious offences, for instance puncturing someone's lung so they end up in intensive care should be treated as seriously as the injury they cause.

By all means scrutinise each incident on it's own merit and judge it accordingly. These carry over points just cloud the judgements of those making the rulings as they have preconceived notions against certain players from certain clubs.

[zac]

They wont be getting rid of loading's though for repeat offenders as i said - same as the real world court system where prior offences whether the same or not are taken into account in the sentencing phase.

If a player was sin binned in the 79th minute what discount would they receive?

they'd get the happy ending discount of course.

[Noosa Rooster]

Charges for foul play resulting in injury should be commensurate with the injury caused. Using Hutch’s injury as an example, Brown’s suspension should have been equal to Hutch’s time out of the game plus the suspension. At the moment the system is totally unfair to the team of the injured player.

Not sure how this would work with concussion injuries which take longer to recover from the more you have but greater minds than mine should be able to work through that.

I also think more consideration should be given to how an inflicted player contributes to the incident. eg how did Martin contribute to the crusher by Gus by the position he put himself in. This would also go for Teddy, the way he seems to duck into tackles.

[Jacks Fur Coat]

First point of business....I'd drop the loading system entirely.

[Billy Gunn]

Anyone who lays down and holds their neck must sit out the following week

I hate it so much and whilst i understand they must protect the players but the accidental one has to be addressed differently then when a tackling player comes in over the top

[Spirit of 66]

Start with some sensible principles like: “No player should end up suspended for long periods for committing a relatively minor offence.”

Even former murderers don’t get sent to prison for parking offences.

[ism22]

A can of petrol and a box of matches.

Pretty much. My review would be along the lines of:
- Nothing grade 1 or below can result in a suspension... that's an on-field penalty.
- If you're sin-binned for a grade 2 then that's your punishment (unless it's less than 10 minutes due to the timing of the game). Axe that stupid 'send-off' rule too because a 'sin-bin' is 'being sent off' (creating the distinction between the two was unnecessary and really... if you bash the shyte outta a ref or fans, it's not a 'send off'... police are gonna be called and you're gonna be 'arrested'. Never happens anyway and IMO if it got to that stage you'd be calling the game off, not sending one bloke off).
- Simplify the heck outta the punishments. Grade 1 = in-game penalty, grade 2 = 1 week, grade 3 = an open book depending on how horrible it was.
- No discounts for anything (including an early plea). Whether or not you challenge should be based on the facts of the matter, not a mathematical analysis of whether it's worth the risk of getting a bigger punishment.

Overall:
- Less charges (by not capturing grade 1 stuff... just penalise it and move on unless it's more serious).
- No discounts for anything. You can argue that in sentencing but there's no automatic discounts.
- Simplify the fark outta it. Nobody understands the current system.

[Johnny Tobin]

Get rid of loading.

Make the fines cover a lot more charges with them getting bigger as the charge gets worse.

Suspension only last resort.

There are too many people being suspended. Fans pay to watch the best players. They don't appreciate not being able to watch them because of over zealous referees and judiciary. The fact we can't see Victor for three or four weeks is a disgrace. He is one of the most popular players in the game and this is supposed to be entertainment.

[zac]

robbo criticised the loading system in today's presser. as always, worth listening to.
the other thing i found interesting was that he mentioned that we let connor go to the knights a year early. what goes around comes around