Kick off's and Momentum

[King Salvo]

Thought about this for a while and yesterday's Titans vs Manly game reinforced the view that teams are bereft of ideas in stopping the momentum when their defence can't.

Near Full time the Titans attempt a short kick off for reasons only they would know why as basically it was a pointless exercise as the game was well and truly lost.- Should have been doing that 30 odd minutes earlier.

I don't see the point in teams doing the same kick off time and time again after conceding try after try after try - You need to change things up to wrestle back some momentum at least and try something different.

The Short kick off / The Mick Cronin grubber Kick off from the late 70's and early 80's / kicking(whacking) the ball hard towards the touchline etc.

Same for line drop outs as well.

Need to make it a contest for the ball.

I can hear Warren "Wok" Ryan advocating again for a scorer kicks off - Not sure i would agree with that as a solution though

[zac]

maybe, but if a team doesn't get the ball it's just conceded 25 m. they'd really want to practice it so they get it right. better case for it on line drop outs when if it doesn't come off it's not so bad as it can be easier defending close to the line

[BraveTheWorld]

maybe, but if a team doesn't get the ball it's just conceded 25 m. they'd really want to practice it so they get it right. better case for it on line drop outs when if it doesn't come off it's not so bad as it can be easier defending close to the line

This is true, but if you get really good at it, I reckon it's close to a 50-50 if not even better for the team kicking.
I'd definitely argue it's worth it in most circumstances to gamble the 25m for potential possession (in somewhat good field position too).

[NorfolkStreetKid]

I agree variety should be practised and used more often. I have often thought that low grubbing kicke aimed at the 20 to 30 metre lines would be an option for drop outs, giving an opportunity to get the ball into touch or force a knock on, same thing with kick offs. also the grubber which just goes the 10 metres to regain possession. There should be plenty of time to practice different moves, just like they do in NFL.

[Batemans Bay Rooster]

Short kickoff the most under utilized play n the game. Drop outs too. As mentioned you're a 50/50 chance of getting the ball back if you do it well, and it also means when you don't get the ball back your defenders don't have to stop a rampaging forward charging back returning the kick.

[Batemans Bay Rooster]

maybe, but if a team doesn't get the ball it's just conceded 25 m. they'd really want to practice it so they get it right. better case for it on line drop outs when if it doesn't come off it's not so bad as it can be easier defending close to the line

Yes it's 25m but those 25m, from a long kick they'd be a couple of forwards taking fully wound-up hitups, which it's good not to have to defend. The 50/50 get the ball back ratio makes the short kick a no brainer imo.

[Jacks Fur Coat]

Thought about this for a while and yesterday's Titans vs Manly game reinforced the view that teams are bereft of ideas in stopping the momentum when their defence can't.

Near Full time the Titans attempt a short kick off for reasons only they would know why as basically it was a pointless exercise as the game was well and truly lost.- Should have been doing that 30 odd minutes earlier.

I don't see the point in teams doing the same kick off time and time again after conceding try after try after try - You need to change things up to wrestle back some momentum at least and try something different.

The Short kick off / The Mick Cronin grubber Kick off from the late 70's and early 80's / kicking(whacking) the ball hard towards the touchline etc.

Same for line drop outs as well.

Need to make it a contest for the ball.

I can hear Warren "Wok" Ryan advocating again for a scorer kicks off - Not sure i would agree with that as a solution though

I've been singing this tune for years now King.

Would ALWAYS short kick off and make it a contest for possession.

[ROC181]

I said it on Friday and said a few years ago, why are we always kicking off to the same side of the field for the usual person to catch it and pass it to the usual player to carry it back and get on the front foot when we are in a situation like Friday? It’s just making it easy for the opposition. Kick it to the other side or a short kick off or kick it short and low towards the sideline and hopefully who ever wants to catch it might knock it on.

I’d even go as far as suggesting Tedesco or Keighran to just plant the ball on the ground on the middle without a tee and kick it hard enough so that it makes the10m and let’s see the opposition trying to catch a rugby ball doing it’s thing… but of course it may not be seen as an ethical way to start the game and we know how Robbo is about being ethical.


All I want to see is for our players to stop playing like robots and do things that will surprise the opposition and that also goes for drop kicks. We are not winning the tough games the standard way so we need to think outside the box.

[zac]

the other thing is to kick it deep and pin them down there and stop the momentum with defence.
i'm not v the odd short kick off but it's not a percentage play. you don't get the ball back 50% of the time cos sometimes the kicker will kick it too short or too long. also, if the ball isn't kicked deep then you won't get the benefit from a dropped ball on an early tackle. wish the panthers had gone for a short kick off after our second try

[player 1]

Yes, would be interesting to gather the stats on success of the short kickoff. In our case, on the receiving end of short kickoffs, we must be way less than 50% successful at fielding them safely. When Manu safely took the Titans one after Walker's FG a couple of weeks ago I was as shocked as I was relieved.

[Spirit of 66]

Given the way the game has changed, the scorer should kick off. The poor old Tigers had zero possession for the first 20 minutes against the Storm. The game was dead by then.

[ROC181]

Given the way the game has changed, the scorer should kick off. The poor old Tigers had zero possession for the first 20 minutes against the Storm. The game was dead by then.

The times they managed to get the ball in that first half, they were handing it back with with dumb mistakes, plus the Storm were scoring on the set straight from kick-off...That issue was due to the Tigers being shit.

[Spirit of 66]

The times they managed to get the ball in that first half, they were handing it back with with dumb mistakes, plus the Storm were scoring on the set straight from kick-off...That issue was due to the Tigers being shit.

I appreciate that. But they had 3 opportunities to hang on to the ball compared with I think 14 or 15 for the Storm. Maybe such dominance should be rewarded, but I reckon there's nothing surer than the NRL introducing the scorer's kick off, probably from the start of 2022, to even things up.

[ROC181]

I appreciate that. But they had 3 opportunities to hang on to the ball compared with I think 14 or 15 for the Storm. Maybe such dominance should be rewarded, but I reckon there's nothing surer than the NRL introducing the scorer's kick off, probably from the start of 2022, to even things up.

The other thing is that it also depends on the teams resilience...Penrith scored 56 point to souffs 12 whereas they could only score 38 to our 12 with 10 players out that were our top 17 players for the year...The Tigers are shit. They have a captain that spends most of the game on the sideline. They have a half that disappears most games and some other lazy players like Mbye, Roberts and ofanhegaue...The rules can't be changed just because there are clubs with lazy players...

[Headless Chook]

I appreciate that. But they had 3 opportunities to hang on to the ball compared with I think 14 or 15 for the Storm. Maybe such dominance should be rewarded, but I reckon there's nothing surer than the NRL introducing the scorer's kick off, probably from the start of 2022, to even things up.

They had scorers kick in Super League. It was quickly tossed out once the two comps came back together