penalties/6 agains

[player 1]

Just some stats compared with couple of our well fancied rivals so far:

Round 1:

Roosters 46 Eagles 12; Roosters lost count 5-3
Souffs 18 Storm 26; drawn count 6 all
Pamfers 24 Cowboys nil; Pamfers won count 8-3

Round 2:

Roosters 40 Tigers 6: Roosters lost count 8-4
Souffs 26 Eagles 12; drawn count 6 all
Pamfers 28 Bulldogs nil; Pamfers won count 9-2

Round 3:

Roosters 16 Souffs 26; Roosters lost count 12-2
Pamfers 12 Storm 10; Pamfers won count 8-4

Round 4 (so far):

Pamfers 46 Eagles 6; Pamfers lost count 6-5



So far roosters losing penalties/restarts 25-9.

Pamfers winning penalties/restarts 30-14.

Obviously can't read too much into this, but it seems when we are totally blowing sides off the park, ref still finds more fault with our discipline while our dominated opponents seem to get a bit of sympathy. No such sympathy for pamfers' dominated opponents.

And in the one game we got dusted, we sure did not receive any sympathy from referee Klein!

Anyone recognise a pattern from, well let's see, the past 30 years or so?

I'm sure I'm just reading too much into it. It's bound to even out over 26 rounds, right?

[zac]

yeah, i don't know how much you can read into it but every so often the club needs to publicly point out that we consistently do poorly in penalty counts. need to keep the bastards honest

[Bruce Pickett]

Do the figures include penalties and 6 agains combined?

The other thing about 6 agains is on what tackle count you get them.

Huge difference between getting one on the 1st tackle v 4th or 5th tackle.

I could swear we would lead the six agains on tackles 4 or 5 against us.

And I don't think this extremely vital stat is every recorded.

I hate this rule.

[player 1]

Yes Bruce, I just added the penalties and 6 agains. Go to the NRL site and click on the games under "Draw" and then under "Negative Play".

You make a good point that nowhere are stats recorded about what tackle the 6 again is called, and yes it sure matters.

And yes I hate the rule too.

I also hate how we keep seeing the same dickheads year after year reffing us and stitching us up, effing Klein with his ugly little batface. Cummins this week. Hoo-fuking-ray.

The one ref I can stand who seems a fair and decent man is Cecchin, and the NRL makes damn sure we never see the sight of him.

[Headless Chook]

I've learnt to deal with it and get on with life. In 2014-15 it used to do my head in. We would get penalised and 5 mins later the opposition would do the same thing and nada, not even an eye lid was batted. In the end I just thought to myself, 'if it's not worrying Robbo enough to say anything, it shouldn't worry me!'

[ism22]

From the Souffs game I'd be interested to know how many surrender tackles Souffs were awarded. IMO the (overly vocal) ref ran amok! Every time we were tackled they'd call out 'SURRENDER!!!' However, when we were tackling they put us on notice by calling out 'HEEEEELD' (i.e. PEEL OFF RIGHT NOW OR I WILL BLOW A PENALTY!!!)

To me this was a bit sly as it isn't a 'penalty', but you're forcing one team to spring to their feet and run back 10 ASAP (making space for the attacking team) in one case, whereas, you're giving the other team the ability to wrestle and drive back players when it's defending. The way I see it... ref should only call 'HEEEELD' if somebody's holding on for too long. Not for every single tackle as part of a (voluntary) system of yelling out 'HEEEELD... RELEEEEASE... [BLAH-BLAH-BLAAAAH-BLAH... dunno what the 3rd thing he shouted out was, but only Souffs got that 'third chance' call]

[Bruce Pickett]

Yes Bruce, I just added the penalties and 6 agains. Go to the NRL site and click on the games under "Draw" and then under "Negative Play".

You make a good point that nowhere are stats recorded about what tackle the 6 again is called, and yes it sure matters.

And yes I hate the rule too.

I also hate how we keep seeing the same dickheads year after year reffing us and stitching us up, effing Klein with his ugly little batface. Cummins this week. Hoo-fuking-ray.

The one ref I can stand who seems a fair and decent man is Cecchin, and the NRL makes damn sure we never see the sight of him.

To be fair, this year I've seen more teams get the 6 again calls against them on tacke 4 or 5.

But last year I swear no team was getting this except us.

To hades with this abominable rule.

[King Salvo]

Have to clean the 6 again's and penalties up no matter warranted or not - the point scoring ability will be reduced so the defence will need to work even harder in reducing what the opposition score and giving the opposition more sets and thus more defence to do will make it harder to win games than what it already will be.

Chooks could defend conceding penalties under the old rules but the 6 again's and penalties is a different matter under the new rules with the ball in play for longer periods without a break.

[Thirteen]

Yes we are a poorly disciplined side but the result wasn’t affected in any of the 3 games. The best team won on all 3 occasions.

[stringaz]

Just trying to get us out of the way to get premierships to other teams. Some years we have the team to account for it.

Does my head in. Our coach has publicly acknowledged the political landscape of the game and where we sit.

I'm hoping that through time certain personnel moving on from the game might balance it out. Ha! Tell me I'm dreamin.

[ism22]

Have to clean the 6 again's and penalties up no matter warranted or not - the point scoring ability will be reduced so the defence will need work even harder in reducing what the opposition score and giving the opposition more sets and thus more defence to do will make it harder to win games than what it already will be.

Chooks could defend conceding conceding penalties under the old rules but the 6 again's and penalties is a different matter under the new rules with the ball in play for longer periods without a break.

Yeah we need a tactic. I think we're unfairly targeted. However, that doesn't mean all the calls are wrong.

[milanja]

Have to clean the 6 again's and penalties up no matter warranted or not - the point scoring ability will be reduced so the defence will need work even harder in reducing what the opposition score and giving the opposition more sets and thus more defence to do will make it harder to win games than what it already will be.

Chooks could defend conceding conceding penalties under the old rules but the 6 again's and penalties is a different matter under the new rules with the ball in play for longer periods without a break.

Freddy lussick gave away 5 of the 12 penalties/six agains against Souths, poor when he didn’t even play 60min.

[King Salvo]

Yes we are a poorly disciplined side but the result wasn’t affected in any of the 3 games. The best team won on all 3 occasions.

But the poor discipline resulting in extra sets did have an impact on the result though.

[roosterchook]

I’ve always believed that refs do a lot of manipulation for betting reasons. Of course there is corruption. You look at the bias against some teams and favouritism towards others. I don’t think it’s a matter of like or dislike but $$$ gambled. When it’s in your hands to change the outcome of a game and make $1000’s I think for some the temptation would be too great. That’s not to say that there aren’t good fair refs, but not many in my opinion. Now they blow less penalties but make up doubly for 6 agains. We should include 6 agains as equal to a penalty.

[roosterchook]

Just some stats compared with couple of our well fancied rivals so far:

Round 1:

Roosters 46 Eagles 12; Roosters lost count 5-3
Souffs 18 Storm 26; drawn count 6 all
Pamfers 24 Cowboys nil; Pamfers won count 8-3

Round 2:

Roosters 40 Tigers 6: Roosters lost count 8-4
Souffs 26 Eagles 12; drawn count 6 all
Pamfers 28 Bulldogs nil; Pamfers won count 9-2

Round 3:

Roosters 16 Souffs 26; Roosters lost count 12-2
Pamfers 12 Storm 10; Pamfers won count 8-4

Round 4 (so far):

Pamfers 46 Eagles 6; Pamfers lost count 6-5



So far roosters losing penalties/restarts 25-9.

Pamfers winning penalties/restarts 30-14.

Obviously can't read too much into this, but it seems when we are totally blowing sides off the park, ref still finds more fault with our discipline while our dominated opponents seem to get a bit of sympathy. No such sympathy for pamfers' dominated opponents.

And in the one game we got dusted, we sure did not receive any sympathy from referee Klein!

Anyone recognise a pattern from, well let's see, the past 30 years or so?

I'm sure I'm just reading too much into it. It's bound to even out over 26 rounds, right?

25-9 says it all for me. I count 6 agains as penalties. That’s an enormous gap. Are we that bad. They keep the game moving by not taking a penalty kick but the free 6 tackles are still there from a 6 again. In a game with reduced penalties, add the 6 agains and you’ll find that there are more ‘penalties’ in games now than ever before , just camouflaged as 6 agains. Less stoppages but increased penalties.