Verrills - More Knee surgery!

[Lydon]

I have faith Sammy will be ok....I am not so hopefull for Billy Smith though

Gee we can’t take a trick at the moment..

Surely things will turn around injury wise as the season goes on..

[King Salvo]

How many knee surgeries can you have?

It depends on the details of the surgeries, particularly the second and subsequent. A third injury to the same knee would be bad news.

First, you only have two patella tendons for autografts, so the third would have to be a hamstring tendon ,cadaver tendon or quadriceps tendon from above the kneecap , which have a lower rate of success.

More importantly, ACL reconstructions rely on tunnels drilled through the femur and tibia. Most of the time, new tunnels have to be redrilled. Eventually the bones themselves will be compromised and may required bone grafts.

Athletes have returned to sports after three ACL reconstructions, so it's not written in stone.

Osteoarthritis is a long term affect of ACL tears which players could be afflicted with in their early 30's even due to increased wear and tear.

[milanja]

Latest was last week Friend was to see a brain specialist but the Doc had a heart attack - not sure if he's booked in to see anyone else - Chooks aren't great on communication via their club website one has to say - read about this on another site

well, that’s not a good sign!

[SupermanSupportsEasts4Eva]

After the sh*+ show that was the vermin game last round I've stayed away from the NRL sites and fox shows for the past week. Only now have I had the courage to back. Yet I return to find out that Sammy V is in more trouble. Maybe I should have stayed away till after Easter. Fitting time of year cause the team need a miracle big time

[King Salvo]

You are dead right , after 3 lots of surgery on my knee last one when about 39 my knee is bugger with arthritis .Trouble is replacements only last so long. Sam needs to tread with caustion

All depends on what you do in how long it lasts - for footballers though it could be a shorter period than the normal Joe or Jane citizen who may play some sort of non contact or less physical sport on weekends or no sport at all.

ACL's are actually stronger than normal ACL's after the procedures - why do some fail is the question

Failure of an ACL surgery can occur when the surgery is done too soon following an injury, and before normal range of motion is achieved. Other reasons for failed results include the use of a postoperative brace or cast, which prevents full extension.

Often times it is a misplacement of the graft, or a graft that is properly placed, though too tight, which limits range of motion. This occurs when two interference bone screws are used. The last common cause of a failed ACL surgery lies in the rehabilitation – either a poorly designed program or the lack of motivation on the athletes’ part to do the necessary rehabilitation.

Also with Allografts - Hamstring tendons and especially Cadaver tendons there is a risk of the body rejecting it similar to a body rejecting a kidney or heart transplant.

Osteoarthritis is a common ailment for people who have had ACL surgery and there isn't anything currently that can be done but treat this ailment to lesson the pain to maintain mobility.

There has been advancements made in using stem cells to repair ligaments - not sure if this is used or able to be used in Australia or how affective this is compared to the current procedures.

Stem cell injections offer an alternative to ACL surgeries by helping the ligament tissue repair itself at the site of the original tear. Stems cells have a unique ability to replicate themselves, as well as to differentiate. “Differentiate” means that the stem cells can turn themselves into the type of cell present in the injured body part, even if the stem cells come from another part of the body. Doctors take the sample from any place with a high stem cell count.


https://bioinformant.com/acl-surgeri...0differentiate.

[King Salvo]

If non surgical stem cell procedures works for such injuries it will be better than the current surgical repair- not sure though the player would return earlier as a result though?

The ligament can be potentially repaired in as little as 8-12 weeks and continues to improve over the course of 6-12 months.

https://thrivemdclinic.com/stem-cell-acl-tear-repair/

[fletch]

Interesting listening to Robbo talk about Verrills today apparently he went for a scan to get final clearance to return to play it showed some cartilage damage and instead of being cleared to play he was sent for surgery to repair the cartilage damage and will now miss 4-6 weeks.

[Rooster_6]

I know it won't be a common agreement on here,or popular,but the club needs to really make a call on both Friend & Cordner.
If your head isnt bright after a year off like Cordner or even 3 weeks now for Friend,it just won't ever be.
Great blokes,triple premiership players & captains,but there needs to be a call on forced medical retirement.
Pretty much we have 2 players at around 1.5mill down every week & its costing the team,especially as all depth players are going down.
If they aren't going to play in a crunch game like this round,why bring them back mid year when it could be too late.
Just my opinion & know ill get bagged but there comes a point in time & in my eyes its here.

The club have made a call on Cordner, they’ve been extremely open about it and consulted the most intelligent and educated people on the topic to formulate their call on his future. I suggest you read the following article;

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/the...07-p570av.html

[TumutChook]

The club have made a call on Cordner, they’ve been extremely open about it and consulted the most intelligent and educated people on the topic to formulate their call on his future. I suggest you read the following article;

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/the...07-p570av.html

I dont need to read the article as doctors & clubs always trot out the same tripe.No club is ever honest in these matters,as there are people they don't want knowing info.
if they are saying he needs to sit a year out they are basically saying he's done.Id say the club is holding info back as always & he won't get on the park at all this year,with retirement coming.The club just wants the medical retirement that other clubs received.Hope I'm wrong but with how easily he gets knocked out I'd imagine having a few more weeks off after a years break wont mean he doesn't get knocked out again.
I think the club is looking at the future & who they can buy with the club,but currently no one open this year so no point in rushing it.

[Rooster_6]

I dont need to read the article as doctors & clubs always trot out the same tripe.No club is ever honest in these matters,as there are people they don't want knowing info.
if they are saying he needs to sit a year out they are basically saying he's done.Id say the club is holding info back as always & he won't get on the park at all this year,with retirement coming.The club just wants the medical retirement that other clubs received.Hope I'm wrong but with how easily he gets knocked out I'd imagine having a few more weeks off after a years break wont mean he doesn't get knocked out again.
I think the club is looking at the future & who they can buy with the club,but currently no one open this year so no point in rushing it.

I don’t think that article is the same tripe any club has ever trotted out, it’s a pretty revolutionary management plan back into football, certainly around the concussion space anyway. I think you should read the article, simply denying it without reading it reeks of arrogance and to a greater ignorance on the topic you are so quick to throw malicious and cynical accusations about.

I guess we will tell in time whether you’re right or not if he ends up retiring this year like you say and they don’t follow through with the plan they have outlined.

[King Salvo]

could someone post this acrticle in full as i don't subscribe

[milanja]

The club have made a call on Cordner, they’ve been extremely open about it and consulted the most intelligent and educated people on the topic to formulate their call on his future. I suggest you read the following article;

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/the...07-p570av.html

so if going by that article, I don’t see how we are even applying for salary cap compensation, when he has actually been cleared to play by the specialists.

it is the club’s choice not to play him, not a medical decision.

[Rooster_6]

so if going by that article, I don’t see how we are even applying for salary cap compensation, when he has actually been cleared to play by the specialists.

it is the club’s choice not to play him, not a medical decision.

There's not enough medical research or wisdom yet on what the best course of action is for suffers of multiple concussions is, no visible sign of damage doesn't mean there's still no need to recover. It's not as simple as a muscle, ligament or a bone. In these areas we know that shorter recovery times whilst the bone, muscle or ligament may have already 'healed' generally speaking result in higher risk of re-injury, yet there is no data or information around this for concussions, what the Roosters are doing is revolutionary and there is no guide I think the NRL are right to back clubs who want to take this seriously and increase recovery times around an injury we still know so little about.

[stringaz]

I'd say the move is more unprecedented than revolutionary. Revolutionary if it works but remains to be seen. Hopefully he comes back and stays healthy for the rest of his natural life.

[Bondicigar]

No amount of research or science will stop cordner from getting knocked out again. The question is when does the risk out weigh the reward