Off Loads will beat us

[kruT]

Chooks got to be worst at allowing off loads.. Terrible to watch!!

[Rooster_6]

The value of offloads has been overstated on this forum many times, when done well it can be a positive play but its benefit is generally only ever some additional running metres.

The Roosters have conceded the 3rd most amount of offloads in the league however they have also conceded the 3rd fewest metres which just goes to show that the impact and correlation isn’t that significant if at all.

The best side in preventing offloads in the competition are the Wests Tigers. However they rank 5th in number of missed tackles, 4th in tries conceded and 9th in running metres conceded. Again there’s no correlation between number of offloads conceded and being a good defensive side.

Our season won’t be determined by how many offloads we throw or concede, it’s such an irrelevant part of the modern day game.

[Danish]

Offloads aren't about necessarily gaining more metres. They are about forcing a team to make another tackle. Every 6 offloads is effectively forcing your opponent through an extra defensive set. That increases exhaustion, and in turn can lead to a defensive mistake they otherwise wouldn't have made.

Our defensive structure is generally rock solid, but when teams manage to throw a few offloads in the middle of the field, thats really the only time you'll see us get tired enough to have an inside defender not sliding like they should, or rushing up too quickly and creating a hole.

Offloads get spoken about too much in being some sort of x factor attacking weapon, but they are most certainly a tactic for teams to chip away at sides that normally build a brick wall in defence.

[zac]

if you just read the stats you might think that our conceding so many off loads is connected to our winning premierships.

[ChookMaster]

nope, what will kill us is ourselves through silly errors and lack of discipline, offloads haven't stopped us in the past but errors have.

[Headless Chook]

Offloads aren't about necessarily gaining more metres. They are about forcing a team to make another tackle. Every 6 offloads is effectively forcing your opponent through an extra defensive set. That increases exhaustion, and in turn can lead to a defensive mistake they otherwise wouldn't have made.

Our defensive structure is generally rock solid, but when teams manage to throw a few offloads in the middle of the field, thats really the only time you'll see us get tired enough to have an inside defender not sliding like they should, or rushing up too quickly and creating a hole.

Offloads get spoken about too much in being some sort of x factor attacking weapon, but they are most certainly a tactic for teams to chip away at sides that normally build a brick wall in defence.

Not really. I see what you're saying, but it's not as exhaustive as an extra tackle in a set of 6 where you have to get back the 10m and then come off your line. Sometimes the offload is a waste as well, it goes to person who is in a worse position then the ball carrier and the defensive line can actually make ground out of it. The one's that hurt the most are generally the late offload when the defensive line is retreating and all but getting set/

[Crab]

Short kickoffs are more of a concern .

[elo]

Its not offloads, it's those quick shifts to the edges that look to be the tactic against us.......we'll see if it works for the Raiders again this week as they killed us with it earlier in the season.

[Johnny Tobin]

Haven't beaten us the last couple of years and they won't this time either.

[ism22]

The value of offloads has been overstated on this forum many times, when done well it can be a positive play but its benefit is generally only ever some additional running metres.

The Roosters have conceded the 3rd most amount of offloads in the league however they have also conceded the 3rd fewest metres which just goes to show that the impact and correlation isn’t that significant if at all.

The best side in preventing offloads in the competition are the Wests Tigers. However they rank 5th in number of missed tackles, 4th in tries conceded and 9th in running metres conceded. Again there’s no correlation between number of offloads conceded and being a good defensive side.

Our season won’t be determined by how many offloads we throw or concede, it’s such an irrelevant part of the modern day game.

Yes and no. The Faders are a low/mid-table team that has over-achieved over the past couple of seasons by slowing down the ruck, gratuitously stripping with 5 men in and pushing a lot of offloads (yes I'd still call 5th/6th an over-achievement, assuming we beat them). They're wreckers rather than players.

Conceding lotsa offloads will upset our flow, as will the Faders getting an extra 2 seconds in defence while they decide whether or not to go for a strip. Overall I think we need to stick to our guns rather than focussing purely on these two things. However, they will make a tangible difference to the result so we need to have some sort of a tactic to counter them.

I dunno what that tactic is. However like dealing with any tricksters, your biggest mistake when dealing with them is to focus on the things they're leading you towards + lose control over the situation. We won't win by stopping all offloads and strips because then we'll be playing shyte footy. We'll win (and win by a looooot) by sticking to Roosters style footy and taking control of the situation. Once we master that, the Faders are no hope.

[player 1]

Yes and no. The Faders are a low/mid-table team that has over-achieved over the past couple of seasons by slowing down the ruck, gratuitously stripping with 5 men in and pushing a lot of offloads (yes I'd still call 5th/6th an over-achievement, assuming we beat them). They're wreckers rather than players.

Conceding lotsa offloads will upset our flow, as will the Faders getting an extra 2 seconds in defence while they decide whether or not to go for a strip. Overall I think we need to stick to our guns rather than focussing purely on these two things. However, they will make a tangible difference to the result so we need to have some sort of a tactic to counter them.

I dunno what that tactic is. However like dealing with any tricksters, your biggest mistake when dealing with them is to focus on the things they're leading you towards + lose control over the situation. We won't win by stopping all offloads and strips because then we'll be playing shyte footy. We'll win (and win by a looooot) by sticking to Roosters style footy and taking control of the situation. Once we master that, the Faders are no hope.

And this is the stupidest part of this rule, and the one Robbo was most critical of when it was brought in.

[SupermanSupportsEasts4Eva]

nope, what will kill us is ourselves through silly errors and lack of discipline, offloads haven't stopped us in the past but errors have.

Absolutely agree 100% most of the time we are our own worst enemy - not the offload

Barring the 2nd Melb game, IMO our 4 other losses this season were games where the opportunity was given to the other side to score off the back of our errors. The Riff, Manly, Melb golden point and the Faiders were all games we threw away, even though we were the better team on the night.

Doing the small things right will win us the comp. For starters strengthen up the Bondi wall. Its not broken but there seem to be a few cracks in it this season.

[ROC181]

If offloads weren’t a problem, it wouldn’t even be considered as a stat and commentators wouldn’t be constantly bringing it up. More offloads by one team = more work for the other team.

[ism22]

Absolutely agree 100% most of the time we are our own worst enemy - not the offload

Barring the 2nd Melb game, IMO our 4 other losses this season were games where the opportunity was given to the other side to score off the back of our errors. The Riff, Manly, Melb golden point and the Faiders were all games we threw away, even though we were the better team on the night.

Doing the small things right will win us the comp. For starters strengthen up the Bondi wall. Its not broken but there seem to be a few cracks in it this season.

Yep I think the Drizz game is the only one we've lost by more than a single try? The rest (including first Drizz & Faders game) were games where we were in control but stuffed up.

It's tricky coz as Robbo says... you wanna play the footy, not clutch onto it with 2 hands and be all conservative. To me it's all about rhythm. Our boys are elite and have no issues hanging onto a footy but if the rhythm's off, you start seeing perfectly flat passes go forwards, guys stepping on the ball while trying to play it + players being blindsided by passes/kicks because they're a split second earlier/later than what's needed (everything SHOULD be automatic for guys at this level).

The Faders' tactics (described above) ruin this rhythm, which can create fatigue/frustration. IMO we just need to be a little bit more assertive so that we shut their niggling out of the conversation. This game's totally in our control... the Faders will only win if we let them. They cannot beat our talent/tactics, which is why they resort to other methods. Good on them, no disrespect for that (you do what you've gotta do) but I'll be disappointed if they beat us at this end of the season with all our troops + SBW available.

[Waylander]

There's offloads and there's offloads. The difference between SBW to Maloney in the 2013 GF, and some big blob flopping it out the back to a bloke who then gets tackled 3m behind him are enormous. The stats alone will never tell you the value of the offload, and you therefore can't read anything of value out of those stats.