Trent wants attacking sides given the benefit of the doubt for forward passes.

[Cockadoodledoo]

The NRL 360 mob have just debated this. I'm stunned though what Paul Kent has just said. He highlighted the Warriors "No try" on the weekend and showed where the ball was passed and then where it was caught. This has fk all to do with it!!! It's all about the first trajectory from the hands.

Ffs...what hope have we got when a long term RL journalist gets this fundamental point so wrong.

Kent said he thought the pass was fair, however if Hawkeye technology was implemented, it would rule the pass forward based on how that technology works based on it's tracking of the ball.

[Cockadoodledoo]

Who decides how close is close enough? I’m happy if the Hawkeye is as good as in the tennis, tough to dispute.

if we do start allowing forward passes, then I think we go all in for Patrick Mahomes from the chiefs, the kid is an absolute superstar.

Hawkeye for tennis is completely different, as it is comparing to a line on the ground. I agree with Robbo, the refs are getting these calls wrong as they are guessing a lot of them.

[milanja]

Hawkeye for tennis is completely different, as it is comparing to a line on the ground. I agree with Robbo, the refs are getting these calls wrong as they are guessing a lot of them.

It looks like they have nailed the technology in tennis, cricket is pretty close too with the ball tracking, we will have to see what they can come up with for league, can’t just be straight lines, but in the tennis they seem to be able to get the curve of the ball, which is what they would need to simulate the ball in league to see which way the ball is leaving the hands.

im happy to keep the calls as they have been with no technology, but it burns when it goes against your team.

[Jacks Fur Coat]

Who decides how close is close enough? I’m happy if the Hawkeye is as good as in the tennis, tough to dispute.

if we do start allowing forward passes, then I think we go all in for Patrick Mahomes from the chiefs, the kid is an absolute superstar.

Can solve it in one fell swoop Milanja.

For contentious try calls:

One look by the bunker to see if poss thrown back/line (both ok) or forward direct out of the hands (No try).

General Play:

School the refs that this is f...ing the game up, and only call forward passes if they are 100% sure it's forward from the hands.

[Jacks Fur Coat]

Kent said he thought the pass was fair, however if Hawkeye technology was implemented, it would rule the pass forward based on how that technology works based on it's tracking of the ball.

Really? I must have missed that bit...I blame my 2nd double black.

[Cockadoodledoo]

Can solve it in one fell swoop Milanja.

For contentious try calls:

One look by the bunker to see if poss thrown back/line (both ok) or forward direct out of the hands (No try).

General Play:

School the refs that this is f...ing the game up, and only call forward passes if they are 100% sure it's forward from the hands.

Keep it simple, if the bunker are unsure if it is forward, rule a try. That said, the problem isn't the technology currently available, it is the people making the decisions, both on the field and in the bunker.

[Jacks Fur Coat]

Keep it simple, if the bunker are unsure if it is forward, rule a try. That said, the problem isn't the technology currently available, it is the people making the decisions, both on the field and in the bunker.

That is true...my suggestions are about mitigating the risk of their incompetence.

[ism22]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/ann...29-p52bmu.html

"I think they're being really pedantic on forward passes. You've got to be sure. If you're unsure, let the play keep going".

I agree. If there's one thing worse than a missed forward pass, it's a fair pass called forward! (Anyone remember the 2010 GF?!).

Surely it's not that hard to develop video technology that determines whether a ball has gone forwards?

It p!sses me off seeing flat passes called forward when there's a massive overlap and zero advantage to be gained by tossing the ball forward.

That is true...my suggestions are about mitigating the risk of their incompetence.

Surely it's not that hard for them to decide? You just need some kinda reference point to go off (which you'd have the maths for because the cameras would all be angled in a particular way with the impact of the lenses...etc known to camera tech experts). I don't get why they struggle with it so badly...

School the refs that this is f...ing the game up, and only call forward passes if they are 100% sure it's forward from the hands.

To be fair, that's usually pretty black and white as the game's much slower and nobody's gonna be throwing highly tined, finely timed passes that are completely flat. Most forward passes at that level are 3m forward and look pretty darn stupid (e.g. hand slipped while trying to pass with the non-dominant hand and the ball went flying off to nowhere land).

TBH I reckon pros probably get coached to get away with throwing passes that are a few degrees forward but look backwards. It'd be a fine art.

Different sport but as a sprinter, all national level sprinters can start slightly before the gun sounds... without the sensors picking it. Basically when they say 'on your marks' you take ages to get into position then when they say 'set' you VERY slowly rise (consistent with being 'set'). This way you're never 'set' because you're actually slowly rising off the blocks when they fire the gun. There's a trick to doing this without triggering the sensors on the blocks. And if there's no sensors (e.g. club-level meets), we all just ran amok because the officials would never pick it. I'd also blow raspberries and stuff to make people false start, but that's another story.

[Hawkeye]

The forward pass crackdown should be more directed toward dummy half passes which are clearly forward and easier to pick, than forward passes in general play

[player 1]

Surely it's not that hard to develop video technology that determines whether a ball has gone forwards?

.

Sorry Issy but you're missing the same point most people do.

Projectile motion. If you're running forward at 25 kph and pass backwards relative to you at anything less than 25 kph, the ball will travel forward relative to the ground.

[Johnny Tobin]

Leave it as it is and understand there will always be human error in the game.

[Johnny Tobin]

Another blight on the game is that no one seems to know what a knock back is.

This.

The commentators moaning about the Butcher try against the Knights were totally out of control. It clearly went backwards from his hand onto his leg.

[Johnny Tobin]

Yep.
I wanna see Roosters v Souths GF.

Couldn't think of anything worse. I am not yet recovered from losing to the Dogs.

[Johnny Tobin]

The NRL 360 mob have just debated this. I'm stunned though what Paul Kent has just said. He highlighted the Warriors "No try" on the weekend and showed where the ball was passed and then where it was caught. This has fk all to do with it!!! It's all about the first trajectory from the hands.

Ffs...what hope have we got when a long term RL journalist gets this fundamental point so wrong.

I almost fell out of the chair when Kent went on with that. But what I think the idiot was trying to do was show the shortcomings of a Hawkeye system, which he clearly doesn't understand.

[zac]

One thing about refs ruling on forward passes is that - if they're running - it's not that easy. If you're not sure of your own bearings it's hard to tell if a pass has gone forward or not.