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  • SCG Trust clearly wants to tear down the SFS - whats does this mean for us?

    Don't know if people have been following this story much, but the SCG Trust are making obvious political moves to get their hands of more of the $1.6 billion set aside for stadium upgrades in Sydney in the hopes of tearing down the SFS and building a new stadium there:

    Rebuild an option after government warned about Allianz Stadium safety

    The Sydney Cricket and Sports Ground Trust has raised concerns about the safety of Allianz Stadium with the NSW government in a move that could prompt a renewed examination of the feasibility of a total rebuild of the ageing venue.

    The government remains committed to investing $1.6 billion to provide the state's stadiums with a much-needed makeover, although it is unclear how the funds will be allocated to the ANZ Stadium and Allianz projects. Sports Minister Stuart Ayres last week said a decision would not be made until the government received a "detailed business case" for the redevelopment of ANZ Stadium, which isn't expected until the end of the year.

    Another factor for consideration is the cost of maintaining Allianz Stadium to ensure it complies with safety regulations. The issues around safety and comfort of patrons at the stadium have been raised with Ayres by SCG Trust chairman Tony Shepherd.

    Allianz Stadium, originally known as the Sydney Football Stadium when it was built in 1988, will need significant investment just to bring it up to existing security and safety compliance standards. It is estimated those costs alone would total about $140 million, without providing any discernible improvements to the game-day experience.

    A refurbishment would require an outlay of at least $400 million, while a knock down and rebuild would likely total $600 million. The cost to the taxpayer for the latter option would be less, given the Trust would likely commit upwards of $50 million towards the project.

    Any new stadium, with a capacity of about 45,000, would be built on land the Trust owns, rather than encroaching on adjoining areas.

    Several NRL clubs are sweating on the government's decision. ANZ Stadium's main tenants, South Sydney, Canterbury, Wests Tigers and St George Illawarra, are becoming increasingly frustrated by the lack of clarity surrounding the Olympic stadium. A total rebuild at Moore Park will temporarily displace the Roosters and several other teams, including A-League champions Sydney FC and rugby union's Waratahs.

    Shepherd said the NSW government would factor in the costs of maintaining Allianz, as opposed to giving it a rebuild, before making a call.

    "It's up to the government where it spends money on stadiums and we will respect the judge's outcome, whatever it may be," Shepherd said.

    "Suffice to say, the Sydney Football Stadium is certainly a very old stadium and needs some investment. We'd be happy to see that happen.

    We recognise the government hasn't got a bottomless pit of money and it's a question of whatever their priorities are."

    It was originally estimated it would take $700 million to transform ANZ Stadium into a state-of the art rectangular venue. However, a leaked document suggesting a cost blowout has been viewed in some quarters as a plot to divert funding towards Moore Park.

    "In making an assessment of capital spend against an ongoing maintenance spend, the government would obviously take those things into account," Shepherd said. "They are sophisticated people and will obviously make that judgment call.

    "It's an ongoing capital problem for government in any facility, the difference between maintaining an older facility or building a new one.

    "The newer facility is less costly to maintain but then you have to have that big jump at the start, you've got to have that capital and they have a balance sheet and triple-A rating to protect.

    "They don't have unlimited money and there are great calls on their money. We recognise that."
    http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/l...06-gx68e0.html


    Now to me, this is a little concerning.

    First up, this would mean relocating the Roosters for a solid 1-2 seasons while the new stadium is built. The obvious choice for this being playing a lot more games on the Central Coast given our newfound obsession with promoting ourselves in the area, and then likely ANZ or the new Parra stadium for other choice events (ANZAC day obviously, and knowing us undoubtedly our souths, bulldogs, and parra games).

    Nick Politis has already threatened the SCG trust with permanently moving away from the stadium if they commit to plans that would see the SFS shut down for a full season or more (source), but I doubt the SCG Trust would really give a rats as the person leading the charge is an AFL sycophant who is primarily interested in keeping ANZ stadium open for GWS games at all costs (thus trying to skittle the ANZ revamp proposals with this garbage about the SFS being unsafe).

    If this SFS knock down does come to fruition and we wind up playing away from moore park for an extended period, I can honestly see circumstances leading us to never going back.

    The NRL would also like to see 1-2 Sydney teams relocate out of the city also, so I can see them quietly happy to see the SCG Trust get their way on the stadium rebuild.

    IMO Politis needs to get on top of this and quick. Get all the other tenants (Sydney FC, Warataths) and also the tenants of ANZ worked up and vocal about ensuring the original plan of redeveloping ANZ goes ahead.

  • #2
    the people who think our club wouldnt be on the chopping block when it comes to cutting teams out of sydney are mad the nrl only cares about the west i wouldnt be surprised if one day we moved to adelaide permanently politis should be very careful with threats of moving away permanently from the stadium because nowhere else will do our team any good

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    • #3
      Move to roosters to canberra, and raiders to Adelaide.

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      • #4
        I won't go to homebush.
        I'd prefer we play out of Leichardt. Not too far from our territory.

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        • #5
          Bring selfish a permanent move to the Central coast would mean I could attend more home games. I do believe the NRL would only be to happy for a Sydney team to relocate.



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          • #6
            So they build a brand spanking new stadium and not have a foundation team occupy it??? Doesn't make any sense to me.
            We are the Sydney (Eastern Suburbs) Roosters and we are NOT going anywhere!!!

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            • #7
              It's great for us.

              Short term pain.

              Long term gain.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Thirteen View Post
                I won't go to homebush.
                I'd prefer we play out of Leichardt. Not too far from our territory.
                A move to Leichhardt would be a good thing.

                Better to fill that than play in front of 10,000 people at ANZ.

                I'd prefer to play the odd game at Parra Stadium than ANZ.
                Born and bred in the eastern suburbs.

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                • #9
                  Move to ES Mark's. It's only down the road... IMO selling out a small stadium would be so much better than the frigging 1/5 full stadiums we get every week.

                  Oh and Souffs to frigging Redfern!!! Aside from finals games and QLD local derbies, the NRL isn't popular enough as a spectator sport to NEED a bigger stadium.

                  The Raiders play in a stadium roughly the size of ES Mark's and it's an awesome local vibe. It's be farking good seeing that lovely city view in the background while watching a game from the stands at Mark's. DO IT!!!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Johnny Tobin View Post
                    It's great for us.

                    Short term pain.

                    Long term gain.
                    I agree.

                    A couple of seasons out of Henson Park with a couple games at Central Coast.

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                    • #11
                      You beauty ....Steak sandwiches and KB beer -and Yeeros on the way home -welcome to Henson Park
                      Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe

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                      • #12
                        Why couldn't we just move across to the SCG while the construction is going on?

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                        • #13
                          just add in a slight political twist i noticed the current state governments idea was to rebuild the stadium on the moore park area, this is part of the cenntenial park trust and if this was successful opens the way for further land grabs within the trust area, i noticed a rail station being built on moore park on what was known as renny hill, past the current bus depot past the public toilets. is it all a strategy then , are we being used as pawns in a major political battle? this rail station being nowhere near the stadium but opposite gates to Murdoch controlled fox studios?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by stephenj View Post
                            just add in a slight political twist i noticed the current state governments idea was to rebuild the stadium on the moore park area, this is part of the cenntenial park trust and if this was successful opens the way for further land grabs within the trust area, i noticed a rail station being built on moore park on what was known as renny hill, past the current bus depot past the public toilets. is it all a strategy then , are we being used as pawns in a major political battle? this rail station being nowhere near the stadium but opposite gates to Murdoch controlled fox studios?
                            ask the environment minister he would know ...lets see what nipper picks up this site.It will be a Sydney gold mine
                            Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ism22 View Post
                              Move to ES Mark's. It's only down the road... IMO selling out a small stadium would be so much better than the frigging 1/5 full stadiums we get every week.

                              Oh and Souffs to frigging Redfern!!! Aside from finals games and QLD local derbies, the NRL isn't popular enough as a spectator sport to NEED a bigger stadium.

                              The Raiders play in a stadium roughly the size of ES Mark's and it's an awesome local vibe. It's be farking good seeing that lovely city view in the background while watching a game from the stands at Mark's. DO IT!!!
                              A tiny stand at MS Marks and no other seats or elevation. They could knock down and re-build the SFS before they could get this place ready for NRL standard.

                              As for Henson, I love the place but I don't think it would meet NRL standards. Despite the fact that the shit hole Manly ground does.

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