Ball playing fullbacks Vs Ball runners

[Rooster_6]

Cows still would've won the comp with Dugun at fullback.

No chance.

Coote was a beast this year, such a crucial part of that Nth Qld side.

[Bigchook]

Can we all agree that Dugan sucks? He's a classic ball running fullback because he can't do anything else. And Daley is a massive fool given he'll probably stick with him over Tedesco, who has an excellent pair of quick hands and an ability to put his outside man away for a try.

Pretty sure dugan was man of the series for the blues last year.. He played fantastic for us. His form for the dragons has been mixed at best.

[2026]

No chance.

Coote was a beast this year, such a crucial part of that Nth Qld side.

How many games has Coote played for his state and country?

[Rooster_6]

Pretty sure dugan was man of the series for the blues last year.. He played fantastic for us. His form for the dragons has been mixed at best.

Dugan was very mixed in his performances. He's a bit of a paradox.

Whilst he looks dangerous because he makes so many half breaks & manages to isolate & bump defenders so consistently it's often to the detriment of the team.

Prime example would be your standard wrap around play with 3 defenders on 3 attackers, rather than forcing the outside defenders to make a decision in an attempt to create something he'll throw a dummy and try to take his man on one on one. The same holds true if it's 3 on 2 and he has an overlap. With his huge frame and exceptional evasive skills he more often than not makes a half break but the fact that he doesn't have a passing game means he's so predictable to teams that they often cover with ease. There was nothing more frustrating this year than watching Dugan run short side plays only to dummy and run or pass as soon as the play broke down. He was a dead end option every time, it was so frustrating as a NSW fan.

The easiest performance to compare it to for Roosters fans was Aiden Guerra's in the Semi Final against the Broncos. Sure he looked dangerous every time he got the ball, sure he made heaps of half breaks and lots of tackle busts but none of it was effective because he wasn't setting up those in the better positions he was just hogging the ball and using the space for himself.

[Rooster_6]

How many games has Coote played for his state and country?

More great logic.

[2026]

More great logic.

What more do you need?

What's your barometer?

1) Dugans current market value is double that of Coote.
2) Dugan has represented both NSW and the Kangaroos. Coote zero zip zilch nada and they are both the same age.
3) Dugan plays in a team full of plebs whilst Coote has it made in the shade in a team full of stars.

[Double]

What more do you need?

Dugan

0	0.3	0.2	0	18.7	0	0.5	0.2	1	7.7	1.2	1
22	7	4	0	412	4077	10	4	23	170	26	22

RTS

1	0.4	0	0	22.4	0	0.6	0.1	1.3	2.8	1.1	1
27	12	0	0	606	6517	16	4	34	75	29	26

[2026]

2015 All Run Metres top 10

RTS - 6517 (27 games)
J Bromwich - 4118
J Dugan - 4077 (22 games)
K Linnett - 4035
J Taumalolo 4007
P Gallen -3888
W Graham - 3732
M Koroibete - 3718
J Tedesco - 3654
L Coote - 3557 (26 games)

[Tommy Smith]

I'm just a big fan of Lachlan Coote and I don't care about market value. And I'd take both he, and Moylan, over Dugan as our fb replacement for RTS in a heartbeat.

They're the sort of fullbacks that would make our devastating outside backs even more dangerous. Where as Dugan, for all his obvious talents as a ballrunner, is more likely to underutilise the likes of Jenko and Fergo.

On a side note, I can even see Duges starting the season in the centres where he's much more effective.

[Rooster_6]

What more do you need?

What's your barometer?

1) Dugans current market value is double that of Coote.
2) Dugan has represented both NSW and the Kangaroos. Coote zero zip zilch nada and they are both the same age.
3) Dugan plays in a team full of plebs whilst Coote has it made in the shade in a team full of stars.

What do I need? How about you actually offer some genuine analysis rather than generalised statements about who drives the most expensive car.

Because Josh Dugan earns more money he's a better player than Coote? I guess that made him a better player than RTS in 2015 too? If dollars dictate ability the Ben Barba is one of the best fullbacks in the game on 800k.

And since when did the rep selectors become the be all and end all judges of talent? Use your eyes and form your own opinnions, don't just recycle others. I find rep selectors as a whole to be off the mark quite often, especially the NSW & Australian ones. Two once great sides who are no longer top of their respective comps.

[SConcierge]

They are the Supercoach generation.

Thats pretty funny but i do like supercoach

[2026]

What do I need? How about you actually offer some genuine analysis rather than generalised statements about who drives the most expensive car.

Because Josh Dugan earns more money he's a better player than Coote? I guess that made him a better player than RTS in 2015 too? If dollars dictate ability the Ben Barba is one of the best fullbacks in the game on 800k.

And since when did the rep selectors become the be all and end all judges of talent? Use your eyes and form your own opinnions, don't just recycle others. I find rep selectors as a whole to be off the mark quite often, especially the NSW & Australian ones. Two once great sides who are no longer top of their respective comps.

Come on SKD drives a Range Rover which is why he is the best 5 in the NRL.

Barber was worth 800k but has issues.

Coote is a mistake freak. Averages more than 1 a game and often gets driven backwards.His linebreak(16) and try assist(15) numbers are good but look who's inside him. Most of those are a simple draw and pass 3 on 2s .Stapo would look good in last season's Cowboys team.

At the end of the day i prefer Dugan. A strong ball runner that can work his way of your line. His goal line D is also superior and his bomb defusal leaves Coote for dead which is where most of his errors come from.

[Rooster_6]

Barber was worth 800k but has issues.

And that's why using market values as some kind of guide to a players ability is so fundamentally flawed and removed of all basic logic. There's countless factors that go into a players market value and ability is only one of those.

Coote is a mistake freak. Averages more than 1 a game and often gets driven backwards.His linebreak(16) and try assist(15) numbers are good but look who's inside him. Most of those are a simple draw and pass 3 on 2s .Stapo would look good in last season's Cowboys team.

Mistakes need to be put into perspective of touches not games, Coote has far more possessions of the ball than your average player. His workrate is up there with halves as far as touches go, it wasn't unusual to see him touch the ball more often than Michael Morgan, his 5/8 for example. So yes ball players are more prone to making errors, SBW was exactly the same. His error rate was extremely high for a second rower but when you compared how many touches of the ball he was having it really wasn't that high.

At the end of the day i prefer Dugan. A strong ball runner that can work his way of your line. His goal line D is also superior and his bomb defusal leaves Coote for dead which is where most of his errors come from.

You obviously didn't watch much of Coote this year, some of his games his games this year where he was required to take multiple high balls were the best I've seen since Mini in his prime. He ranked 2nd in the NRL for bomb defusals (Dugan 41st).

I remember an absolute bludger of a game this year during the Origin period where the Tigers played the Cowboys out and Campbelltown and about the only good thing to come out of it was the exhibition Coote put on in how to defuse kicks.

But if you don't believe me I'll let Warren Smith tell you: https://youtu.be/J0ml_zf3yWM?t=2m8s

[Kingbilly]

He was a dead end option every time, it was so frustrating as a NSW fan..

I agree with you regarding Dugan, while he did do some great stuff, he killed many moves for NSW

[Bigchook]

I agree with you regarding Dugan, while he did do some great stuff, he killed many moves for NSW

He was also the only player who ever looked likely for the blues so I'll have to disagree with both of you. If only the dragons got that explosive running out of him.