Burgess back a $ouffs

[Kingbilly]

All this anti Burgess talk makes me think some on here are starting to fear the possibilities of a 2014 Souths remake but relax, it ain't happening.

none of that here, just the memories of a foul stench that was Burge$$ and his sanctioned thuggery

[Double]

I haven't noticed anyone on here fearing Surgi's return to the NRL or sweating about the team the lols might field in 2016. Just a few (me included) looking for some answers is all...

[Bigchook]

Why, what's your estimate?

First group - roughly $500k - $600k
SST, Evans, Napa... not a lot ($100k - $250k each as relatively junior players).
Moa... never on much, $250 - 300k maybe.

Second group - little over a million
JWH - $400k
Cords - $400k
Guerra - $350k

I've probably been a little too ambitious and under-estimated some of those salaries, but I reckon we could get at least 4 quality players for the price of Burgess (including at least 2 internationals that play for Australia or NZ). $1.5 million is way too much for 1 player when the cap is only $5.5 million.

I think you've underestimated the second group. As well as napa.

What was mentioned above was that the salary cap auditor wants burgess to be on a minimum of 750k under the cap. With the the rest to be made up from uncapped third party deals. So they couldn't put him on the books for 200k and have 1.3 Mil in third party deals. Not sure if that's guaranteed but that's just how it was said above.

I'd think jwh and Moa would be taking up about 750k cap space alone. We had to fight to keep jwh and nappa was also upgraded. I think we're sweet for 2016 but the real changes will come in 2017.

[roostersrule2]

Why, what's your estimate?

First group - roughly $500k - $600k
SST, Evans, Napa... not a lot ($100k - $250k each as relatively junior players).
Moa... never on much, $250 - 300k maybe.

Second group - little over a million
JWH - $400k
Cords - $400k
Guerra - $350k

I've probably been a little too ambitious and under-estimated some of those salaries, but I reckon we could get at least 4 quality players for the price of Burgess (including at least 2 internationals that play for Australia or NZ). $1.5 million is way too much for 1 player when the cap is only $5.5 million.

Jism I'd say that's pretty close if you're not including third party deals. Otherwise it's probably a bit low.

I think Burgess is not worth it for $1.5 million. You could get three quality players for that or two very high quality players. Though with someone like Burgess you're not just buying his playing ability, you get his presence and the fact that he lifts the team.

Still don't think he's worth that much.

[Bigchook]

Jism I'd say that's pretty close if you're not including third party deals. Otherwise it's probably a bit low.

I think Burgess is not worth it for $1.5 million. You could get three quality players for that or two very high quality players. Though with someone like Burgess you're not just buying his playing ability, you get his presence and the fact that he lifts the team.

Still don't think he's worth that much.

If he returns to 2014 form he will be. He was the best forward in the game. Take away all the comments about referees etc.. He was one player the opposing sides could not put on his back. I've never seen someone land on there knees and elbows as much as Sam. It just enabled too many quick play the balls which let luke run amok.

[Pass the Ball]

Burgess would be on a similar sort of deal as Sonny Bill was on with us.
$700k-$800k from the salary cap and then the same again in third party payments.
If he plays the way he did before he went to Union he will be worth every cent for Souths..

[The Sack]

If he returns to 2014 form he will be. He was the best forward in the game. Take away all the comments about referees etc.. He was one player the opposing sides could not put on his back. I've never seen someone land on there knees and elbows as much as Sam. It just enabled too many quick play the balls which let luke run amok.

He has had plenty of practise on his knees and elbows. Just ask Russ.

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[Bigchook]

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If they were available to purchase I would buy one right now.

[Kingbilly]

sounds like the filth is really popular with his team mates

http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/sam...-1227600842619

[TDK]

Burgess would be on a similar sort of deal as Sonny Bill was on with us.
$700k-$800k from the salary cap and then the same again in third party payments.
If he plays the way he did before he went to Union he will be worth every cent for Souths..

Fair call but how do you explain rumour that Teo is coming back as well. How can they fit both in their cap for 2016, very smelly in my opinion.

[bunnywithteeth]

Here is my view from a 'rational' bunnies fan.

*Great to have Burgess back in league. From all reports was a fish out of water in union.

*Suspect certain promises were made to Burgess before switching codes, hence his selection for 2015 rwc squad.

*Does anyone really understand how the salary cap works in detail? I can't pretend to. I don't think bulldogs and storm were the only two clubs rotting the cap since 2002. It is noteworthy that both scandals came from internal sources & not salary cap audits.

*Finally, I freely admit the carry on after the 2014 GF was over the top. But game itself was one-sided & 30-6 a fair scoreline. Dogs won the penalties 6-5. To be honest, It was the 2014 prelim final & the 10-5 penalty count that was critical in the bunnies beating chooks and in Souths winning the 2014 comp in my humble opinion.

[Spirit of 66]

According to Rothfield (who at least knows what is going on at the Sharks), Burgess was offered one of the biggest deals in NRL history to play for Cronulla. Clearly, Sam isn't interested in money, just the honour of wearing the red and green, so there is no cap issue here.

[Double]

Surgi is on $500k which is all that counts toward the salary cap. The rest? is TPP.

Why would you knock back $1.5m a season if you can get it elsewhere? What happened to the "looking after your future/limited time in the game" argument?

$4.5m + TPP is a difference of $3m over 3 years...

That's a heck of a lot of honour right there.

[eddie]

*Does anyone really understand how the salary cap works in detail? .

All I can tell is it works well in regard to punishing success.

And good to see you back.