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  • Drinking or Being drunk is not the issue - crime is

    A different perspective.

    I don't believe that any player should be punished in any way for drinking or being drunk. There should be no edict from a club banning it.
    Even some anti-social behaviour (e.g, urinating in public) should be dealt with by the police and courts, not by the employer. It's not their place.
    Any alcohol consumption that results in crime is a different matter. But once again, I am of the view that the primary responsibility for punishment lies with the police and courts.
    The principle of innocent until proven guilty must be maintained.
    No-one supports the crimes carried out by footballers under the influence of alcohol. Some are appalling and disgraceful.
    The question is - how does removing their career and for some the only family and positive influence they have help anything ?
    I am interested in Easts players playing footy well. Doing what they are paid to do. I really don't see that outside of that, it is too much of my business.

    These are young men with alot of money and alot of pressure. I actually believe that removing some of the enormous scrutiny and pressure on their every move will result in the "problems" being reduced and not increasing.

    I'll just add that I work in this kind of area. I don't say that means I am right - it is still an opinion.

  • #2
    I agree , I said that same very thing to Tobin.

    Modern league players are being put on some social pedastool from the Telegraph mirror.

    Wonder how much partying other rooster legends like Ricko, Fittler, Morley did in their prime?

    I do not condone Watts . However,
    I do not support the social microscope of young boys who play football.
    The never set out be pillars of society, the are just playing a sport.
    Role models should start at home.
    barbarian ......arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!!!!!!!

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    • #3
      I agree, so long as legal drinking does not get in the way of training.

      That said because drinking reduces performance, as a fan and club member I like to see it kept to a minimum. It's great for bonding and all, but when you are injured (which both Carney and Watts are) it slows the recovery. Right now we need Watts and Carney in top form - instead we have one hindering his recovery by drinking and the other in SERIOUS trouble with the police.

      We pay these guys while they are injured so that they can recover. Not saying drinking is an offence or should be banned, but I'm disappointed. Obviously I feel more strongly about the crime that was most likely committed by Watts.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ism22 View Post
        I agree, so long as legal drinking does not get in the way of training.

        That said because drinking reduces performance, as a fan and club member I like to see it kept to a minimum. It's great for bonding and all, but when you are injured (which both Carney and Watts are) it slows the recovery. Right now we need Watts and Carney in top form - instead we have one hindering his recovery by drinking and the other in SERIOUS trouble with the police.

        We pay these guys while they are injured so that they can recover. Not saying drinking is an offence or should be banned, but I'm disappointed. Obviously I feel more strongly about the crime that was most likely committed by Watts.

        Of course mate. Spot on.
        If any of us go to work pissed, we get disciplined. That's a no brainer.
        Todd Carney's recent DUI indiscretion was a beat up. He made a mistake. He got drunk the night before and was up and at it fulfilling a commitment the next day. Dumb, but cop it the way he did ?? Pfffft - bloody nonsense.
        Watmough?? The guy's a meathead. Taking a piss in public is crazy for anyone. BUT MISS A GAME OF FOOTY OVER IT ?? Just stupidity.

        Evidence has graphically shown that these punishments do not change behaviour.

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        • #5
          I'd love for there to be tapes of what the women say in these domestic violence disputes, and they be played in public.

          But there aren't.


          Not condoning domestic violence.

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          • #6
            Its fine for kids to love watching these guys playing football, but if the kids start emulating the bad behaviour or consider these players role models, then its nothing short of bad parenting.
            The Internet is a place for posting silly things
            Try and be serious and you will look stupid
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            • #7
              I understand your position but that perspective does not improve a clubs culture... We need to be harsh and set high standards to be able to achieve a culture change

              The softly softly approach burying our head in the sand will not address the issues... If a zero tolerance apprach was taken things would change quickly

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              • #8
                the problem is these players no that even if they fuk up at one club after they put there sorry act on and do a few hours community service they will be picked up by another club... a lot of this boils down to club loyalty.. if u love the club that much u wouldnt want to do anything stupid to fuk up and get sacked.. however club loyalty is mostly dead.. this is where i have admiration for anasta, the incident where he got assualted by a thug n just went into the taxi and left is an example of this - someone who loves his clubs has his head screwed on and wanted to avoid trouble...

                the club does play a big role in this culture, but a major part of the problem is the nrl. they need to deregister these players for atleast 3-4 years if they really want to change the culture of the nrl as a whole.. maybe then players will start to get the message when they have no income for a few years...

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                • #9
                  The public places a whole different set of rules to these blokes than they would to themselves, their family or their friends. The papers have a lot to do with this perception we all have.

                  If the Roosters were going great guns would we be calling for so many heads to roll? I would guess probably not.

                  Don't care if Carney was on the sauce. He has not broken any laws but he might have broken an agreement with the club. Watts must be sacked....

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                  • #10
                    Look, Carney obviously has a problem with the drink. Trouble seems to follow him around when hes on the beers and he needs to realise that he WILL lose his career if he keeps it up. He's obviously a good kid with a few demons, but do I think hes an alcoholic? Not for me to say.

                    The big problem I have - Phil Rothfield. I am absolutely sick to death of this so called "expert" and his constant barbing of Todd. I honestly do think Rothfield and thereby the Tele's treatment of Todd is affecting his life. He is labelled an alcoholic, for right or wrong, by these major stakeholders in the game day after day and Buzz's disgraceful bias against our club leaves me to ask the question - if the same scrutiny would be placed on Todd if he played for a different club (think the treatment Gallen or the grub Bird '08 would come under as Roosters). Does it go as far as these people need to accept a part in his recovery and not engage in public ridcule everytime Todd makes a bad decision? Imagine what it would do to you if you were a front page headline everytime you had a beer.

                    Those in glass houses Mr Rothfield.

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