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  • #16
    Originally posted by Mad_Rooster_In_Hong Kong View Post
    Our forward depth is awesome. If Maubs moves into the centres and perhaps Linnett onto the wing it might work. I'm not so sure about both Maubs and Anasta in the pack together.

    I really want to see one of these big boppers step up this year as well. If Masoe can really step up this year and become a regular in the FG team it should be a great combo with Ryles and Kennedy. If our props can dominate I think we will be very hard to beat this year.
    My thoughts as well. While being very skillful and dangerous outwide, I don't think a pack with Maubs and Anasta in the backrow will strike fear into the hearts of the opposition.

    Given that they both definitely need to be in the team, I would like to see Anasta in the backrow with Myles (lock) and FPN (2nd row), and Maubs in the centres with Linnet outwide. With Linnet on the wing, I would like to see BJ or Cherrington come off the bench for attacking impact.

    I think where Myles plays will depend a lot on how quickly the young front rowers in the club develop. With Kennedy, JWH, Maseo, Arona and Tasi all coming through, it will depend on whether they can convert their potential to performances.

    Smith will already have decided on this though as he would be either bulking Myles up for the front row or keeping him a bit leaner for lock.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Fleabag Fletch View Post
      My thoughts as well. While being very skillful and dangerous outwide, I don't think a pack with Maubs and Anasta in the backrow will strike fear into the hearts of the opposition.
      Given that they both definitely need to be in the team, I would like to see Anasta in the backrow with Myles (lock) and FPN (2nd row), and Maubs in the centres with Linnet outwide. With Linnet on the wing, I would like to see BJ or Cherrington come off the bench for attacking impact.

      I think where Myles plays will depend a lot on how quickly the young front rowers in the club develop. With Kennedy, JWH, Maseo, Arona and Tasi all coming through, it will depend on whether they can convert their potential to performances.

      Smith will already have decided on this though as he would be either bulking Myles up for the front row or keeping him a bit leaner for lock.
      Maubs isn't a centre. He's come into his own since moving into the forwards, and our centres (who are actual centres) have thrived

      Move Maubs back to the centres to accomodate freakin' Braith?

      no way

      the problem with Braith is that, now that he isn't in the halves, there really isn't a spot for him anywhere

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      • #18
        8. Ryles
        9. Friend
        10. Myles
        11. Anasta
        12. Maubs
        13. FPN

        14. Pig
        15. Kennedy
        16. Cherrington
        17. JWH

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        • #19
          Has anyone who has seen/talked to Anasta noticed if he's bulked up etc to play in the forward pack? Or is he going to be at around the same weight as last year to be more versatile for the halves?

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          • #20
            Anasta is currently 100kg and looking lean and strong. His hamstring is on the mend, he is doing straight-line running drills upto about 80-90% capacity. A bit of offseason media crap added to an already eager attitude and wont do his any harm either.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Chook View Post
              I agree with Mack, Nate Myles needs to bulk up a bit and move up to the front row as he plays more like a front rower anyway. And he can take over from Ryles as our cornerstone next year if we don't re-sign santa.

              Chook.
              I can't say iv'e seen a front rower with Nates defensive and attacking work rate, he's a backrower that can play front row if needed! A very handy aquisition to any team.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by gallus gallus View Post
                Anasta is currently 100kg and looking lean and strong. His hamstring is on the mend, he is doing straight-line running drills upto about 80-90% capacity. A bit of offseason media crap added to an already eager attitude and wont do his any harm either.
                2010 showed our forwards lacked the meters up the middle,we need punch and mobility in the forwards,Smithy got the mobility spot on in 2010 and by the looks in 2011 the punch up the middle will be more aparent giving our halves more to work with!

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Fleabag Fletch View Post
                  My thoughts as well. While being very skillful and dangerous outwide, I don't think a pack with Maubs and Anasta in the backrow will strike fear into the hearts of the opposition.

                  Given that they both definitely need to be in the team, I would like to see Anasta in the backrow with Myles (lock) and FPN (2nd row), and Maubs in the centres with Linnet outwide. With Linnet on the wing, I would like to see BJ or Cherrington come off the bench for attacking impact.

                  I think where Myles plays will depend a lot on how quickly the young front rowers in the club develop. With Kennedy, JWH, Maseo, Arona and Tasi all coming through, it will depend on whether they can convert their potential to performances.

                  Smith will already have decided on this though as he would be either bulking Myles up for the front row or keeping him a bit leaner for lock.
                  totally agree with your proposal. As much as maubs is a backrower, ultimately, it showed particularly in the finals last year that having 2 backrowers who dont shoulder the typical backrower workload puts strain on the others and means the team in general can lack go forward. Look at the dragons - a backline with the brains of 5 year olds, the worst halves in the comp by a country mile (maybe aside from sandow and sutton) yet won the comp off the back of consistency, good go forward and strong defence (refeering aside ).

                  My issue is that i dont think having both myles and FPN in the backrow is a viable solution - making either play the 80 detracts from their effectiveness (as both showed last year after spending extentensive time on the field week to week - myles for the first 10ish rounds which eventually caused him injury and FPN during Myles' injury). The solution therefore is to play an out and out backrower in the heighington, parker, fitzgibon mold. I wouldnt pick a cherrington there because it creates a similar problem - not quite the minutes and workrate required. Who can play that role in beyond me tbh. Cordner is the ideal in terms of skill set but he is probably still a bit young and raw. symonds is still a bit lean and would create the same issue as a maubs/anasta backrow pairing. Maybe conn, ethan lowe or guerra.

                  My side is looking something like this:
                  1. Miniciello
                  2. Linnett/Carney
                  3. Maubs
                  4. SKD
                  5. Perrett
                  6. Carney
                  7. Pearce
                  8. Myles
                  9. Friend
                  10. Ryles
                  11. FPN
                  12. Anasta
                  13. Conn

                  14. Watts (Piggy whilst hes injured)
                  15. Kennedy
                  16. Cherrington
                  17. JWH

                  The bench is awesome - Kennedy = meter-eater, JWH - enforcer, cherro - impact backrower, watts - nippy skillful hooker/utility.

                  Have maubs and anasta play down the left together meaning that between the two of them you should have enough go forward as well as attacking nouse to cover for the fact that neither have the all round workrate particularly in terms of yardage as yet to make them out and out backrowers allowing them to share those responsibilities and also sure up the left edge defensively even more so. Linnett or carney on the wing i think both offer plenty. whoever adapts best/is in better form. The rest of the backline picks itself imo.

                  I have put conn at lock which i think bodes as our best option and solution to the 'workrate' issue in the backrow. conn is a player who was best suited to the backrow initially in his career before being used as a prop/backrower by smith. has a massive engine, an excellent offload and is an excellent defender - would work brilliantly well with myles in particular defensively up the middle of the ruck with FPN allowed to run wide as he did so effectively for periods during last year. There is a lot of gallen and j-smith in particular about conn - good work ethic, plays like a prop in a backrowers body and goes all day. if he can become fit enough he would be up there with the better locks in the comp imo and he is too important to the side to leave out going on last years performances.

                  The only issue that still remains with the backrow is minutes imo. nor conn or FPN are 80 min players and im not so sure of JWH and Cherro's capacity to play decent minutes which would allow FPN, myles and conn all decent enough stints to keep them fresh week to week and between games.

                  Realistically i think that forward pack make-up and backrow in particular gives us the best balance of mobility and skill (anasta) as well as go forward (FPN in the main) and workrate (conn). imo fielding either myles or maubs in the backrow instead of conn would leave us either too immobile (myles) or cause us to lack go forward (maubs). This way also we have the added advantage of carrying maubs in the centres who is best suited to the backrow giving us added steal particularly on anastas edge without compromising our attack considering maubs and anasta were 2 of our best attacking weapons on the edges last year by a country mile and realistically, with halves as good as pearce and carney, provided you can catch, pass, tackle and put the ball down you will do just fine

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                  • #24
                    My opinion Myles should be at lock. Will work as another forward and provide solid defence, and we'll get big minutes from him!!

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by beguurk View Post
                      I can't say iv'e seen a front rower with Nates defensive and attacking work rate, he's a backrower that can play front row if needed! A very handy aquisition to any team.
                      That's the point, we need front rowers as we have a plethora of back rowers.

                      Chook.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Chook View Post
                        That's the point, we need front rowers as we have a plethora of back rowers.

                        Chook.
                        true, but Nate's our best backrower and close to the best defensive backrower in the comp

                        I'd not be weakening a strength to strengthen a weakness

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by roz View Post
                          totally agree with your proposal. As much as maubs is a backrower, ultimately, it showed particularly in the finals last year that having 2 backrowers who dont shoulder the typical backrower workload puts strain on the others and means the team in general can lack go forward. Look at the dragons - a backline with the brains of 5 year olds, the worst halves in the comp by a country mile (maybe aside from sandow and sutton) yet won the comp off the back of consistency, good go forward and strong defence (refeering aside ).

                          My issue is that i dont think having both myles and FPN in the backrow is a viable solution - making either play the 80 detracts from their effectiveness (as both showed last year after spending extentensive time on the field week to week - myles for the first 10ish rounds which eventually caused him injury and FPN during Myles' injury). The solution therefore is to play an out and out backrower in the heighington, parker, fitzgibon mold. I wouldnt pick a cherrington there because it creates a similar problem - not quite the minutes and workrate required. Who can play that role in beyond me tbh. Cordner is the ideal in terms of skill set but he is probably still a bit young and raw. symonds is still a bit lean and would create the same issue as a maubs/anasta backrow pairing. Maybe conn, ethan lowe or guerra.

                          My side is looking something like this:
                          1. Miniciello
                          2. Linnett/Carney
                          3. Maubs
                          4. SKD
                          5. Perrett
                          6. Carney
                          7. Pearce
                          8. Myles
                          9. Friend
                          10. Ryles
                          11. FPN
                          12. Anasta
                          13. Conn

                          14. Watts (Piggy whilst hes injured)
                          15. Kennedy
                          16. Cherrington
                          17. JWH

                          The bench is awesome - Kennedy = meter-eater, JWH - enforcer, cherro - impact backrower, watts - nippy skillful hooker/utility.

                          Have maubs and anasta play down the left together meaning that between the two of them you should have enough go forward as well as attacking nouse to cover for the fact that neither have the all round workrate particularly in terms of yardage as yet to make them out and out backrowers allowing them to share those responsibilities and also sure up the left edge defensively even more so. Linnett or carney on the wing i think both offer plenty. whoever adapts best/is in better form. The rest of the backline picks itself imo.

                          I have put conn at lock which i think bodes as our best option and solution to the 'workrate' issue in the backrow. conn is a player who was best suited to the backrow initially in his career before being used as a prop/backrower by smith. has a massive engine, an excellent offload and is an excellent defender - would work brilliantly well with myles in particular defensively up the middle of the ruck with FPN allowed to run wide as he did so effectively for periods during last year. There is a lot of gallen and j-smith in particular about conn - good work ethic, plays like a prop in a backrowers body and goes all day. if he can become fit enough he would be up there with the better locks in the comp imo and he is too important to the side to leave out going on last years performances.

                          The only issue that still remains with the backrow is minutes imo. nor conn or FPN are 80 min players and im not so sure of JWH and Cherro's capacity to play decent minutes which would allow FPN, myles and conn all decent enough stints to keep them fresh week to week and between games.

                          Realistically i think that forward pack make-up and backrow in particular gives us the best balance of mobility and skill (anasta) as well as go forward (FPN in the main) and workrate (conn). imo fielding either myles or maubs in the backrow instead of conn would leave us either too immobile (myles) or cause us to lack go forward (maubs). This way also we have the added advantage of carrying maubs in the centres who is best suited to the backrow giving us added steal particularly on anastas edge without compromising our attack considering maubs and anasta were 2 of our best attacking weapons on the edges last year by a country mile and realistically, with halves as good as pearce and carney, provided you can catch, pass, tackle and put the ball down you will do just fine
                          Excellent post mate. Very good analysis of our fowards and great insight into why we need Conn in the team. He could easily become the forgotten man in our team but that would be a great shame as his contribution has been significant.

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                          • #28
                            I like Conn also, but I don't think Smith gave him many minutes per game for whatever reason..??

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Pass the Ball View Post
                              I like Conn also, but I don't think Smith gave him many minutes per game for whatever reason..??
                              He deserves it now the way he finished the season
                              Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by The Brain View Post
                                He deserves it now the way he finished the season
                                I agree, but Smith used him more for impact than for workhorse duties as mentioned above. Is he fit enough..??

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